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While totally off-topic, CONCORD is a Noun of different meanings:

Con·cord1
[ˈkäNGkərd]
DEFINITION
  1. a city in north central California, northeast of Oakland; pop. 121,160 (est. 2008).
  2. a town in northeastern Massachusetts; pop. 17,450 (est. 2008). Battles here and at Lexington in April 1775 marked the start of the American Revolution.
  3. the capital of New Hampshire, in the southern part of the state, on the Merrimack River; pop. 42,255 (est. 2008).
  4. an industrial city in south central North Carolina, a textile center; pop. 66,311 (est. 2008).

Con·cord2
[ˈkäNGkərd]
NOUN
Concords (plural noun)
  1. a variety of dessert grape developed at Concord, Massachusetts.


con·cord3
[ˈkäNGˌkôrd]
NOUN
  1. formal
    agreement or harmony between people or groups:
    "a pact of peace and concord"
    synonyms: agreement · harmony · accord · consensus ·
    [more]
    concurrence · unity

    antonyms: discord

  2. grammar
    agreement between words in gender, number, case, person, or any other grammatical category that affects the forms of the words.
  3. music
    a chord that is pleasing or satisfactory in itself.

ORIGIN
Middle English: from Old French concorde, from Latin concordia, from concors ‘of one mind,’ from con- ‘together’ + cor, cord- ‘heart.’

And Concorde is the plane (and car):

Con·corde
[ˈkäNGˌkôrd]
DEFINITION
  1. a supersonic airliner able to cruise at twice the speed of sound. Produced through Anglo-French cooperation, it made its maiden flight in 1969 and its last in 2003.
 

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@rtwjunkie I remember watching a program on the development of Concord(e) which covered this "issue". Perhaps all those different definitions are what's getting people's knickers in a twist? :laugh: While the "e" version is now the official one, I think there are still some rumblings about the spelling even after all this time, but don't quote me.
 

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I guess people who would want the convenience of really fast trans-atlantic flight would be willing to pay the bill but wasn't that one of the things that ended the Concorde? Financial problems due to the costs to run and it sat 92 to 128 passengers?
To break even Concorde needed 33 passengers though i often saw her fly with a lot less on board. The service was run no matter how many passengers were on board, for positioning purposes.

During the time that Concorde was out of service many of her passengers were lured away by other airlines and of course the world changed a lot after 9/11.

The overriding factor is the cost and supply of certified parts.
fair point.... So in essence this could still work if there are less overhead costs. though I still think the cost of a ticket will be beyond the reach of the average consumer though you'll probably get a few of them on every flight. All i can see are businesses that need to fly their staff out to board meetings halfway across the world as quickly as possible and money to them is of no object so long as it doesnt border the same price as hiring a private jet.
 

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I think with need a flamefest debate over whether it's spelled Concorde or Concord. ;)
It was a UK /French alliance and to make the project have a French tang an e was added.
 
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you'd be supriced what wing root extensions can achieve

;)

normaly should be able to "land" even with only one engine running
You need speed and wing surface to provide lift. (there is no arguing with physics)
With little surface area, you must compensate with power/thrust. (my bad for not spotting the third engine)
Without power when using stubby little wings, you're screwed.
I think that this is probably a moot point. There will be safeguards built-in and they'll most likely work.
It is a beautiful airframe.
 

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X-15 Rocket Plane

The X-15 was indeed a rocket and not a plane. They were taken aloft by a B52 Bomber and launched in midair. (there was no takeoff from the ground)
They flew them at Edwards Air Force Base when I was a kid. We had some of the pilots come to our elementary school and talk about them.
They had to land them on Rodger's dry lake bed because it took miles of runway to stop them.
The sonic-boom when it flew was significant.


Yes it is...despite my negative review of it's possible airworthiness, it is beautiful.
Odds are that there will be computer aided controls onboard. It will be much more refined than the Concorde was.
 
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You need speed and wing surface to provide lift. (there is no arguing with physics)
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You seem to have left out a few exceptions to that rule :oops: Just sayin'! lol
In all seriousness, only one of them even kinda resembles this one's design, with the top-intake rear-outlet.

This one's concept art shares the stubby wings, though. Doesn't seem to have made it beyond the drawing stage, though. heh
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=2611

In reality, no, I'm not suggesting they're using VTOL or STOL, it's just way too long for any of that (in a practical sense I mean). Doesn't weight play a roll in the whole lift situation? I assumed that was the reason behind all the "THIS PART AND THAT PART AND THESE ARE ALL CARBON FIBER!!!11" mentioning.
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I think there's warfare gear with more surface/control surfaces ratio wise and lacks uplift from the outer fuselage almost totally( a desing feature of the body that produces lift as if it being a wing, the f35 is one such)
Le: the problem is the same almost everywhere energy density of fuel.
Anyways, it's to adjective for my liking.
 
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You need speed and wing surface to provide lift. (there is no arguing with physics)
With little surface area, you must compensate with power/thrust. (my bad for not spotting the third engine)
Without power when using stubby little wings, you're screwed.
I think that this is probably a moot point. There will be safeguards built-in and they'll most likely work.
It is a beautiful airframe.
wing root extentions ;)


Normal plane with larger wing area, yes, although with difficulty in some cases. This thing, not so much. That design is aerodynamic and has very little lift unless at near-supersonic or above speeds with those stubby little wings.
it is safety regulation not design feature.
every commercial plane that fly over ocean should be able to safely reach airport and land with one engine down (some can do it with 2 down) or it cant get certificate to fly over sea. only one engine is applicable for 2 engine planes like 777 (i sould've refreshed memory before not after :ohwell:).
also every plane that fly over sea mass has to be able to stay afloat for time bigger then time required for emergancy evacuation of passengers and crew in case of sea surface "landing".
as for the wing area check wing root extentions above.
 
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it could get way deeper for example(I think it could be an example) a fighter aircraft can is getting away with max take off weight /wing surface/ coefficients /what have you , as they are overpower and underpowerd fuel wise; summarizing I can force myself up considering controllable surfaces in relation to power.
2nd point would be natural take off speed of any aircraft.
 
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We Do have à Starfighter in my hometown. Its mounted on concrète stale like its taking off at high speed and high angle to reach the stars. After Starfighters were removed of circulation Canada bought one back from Germany and was installed there.
 
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@rtwjunkie I remember watching a program on the development of Concord(e) which covered this "issue". Perhaps all those different definitions are what's getting people's knickers in a twist? :laugh: While the "e" version is now the official one, I think there are still some rumblings about the spelling even after all this time, but don't quote me.
Nah, its a French plane, hence the 'e'.

Le Concorde.
 

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Yes, the wings do indeed look a little tiddly. That usually implies a faster aircraft, so I dunno what's going on with this design. I guess you'd have to ask them, lol.
They are streamlined for speed, not lift. Course the flapperons, flaps, ailerons, leading edge surfaces, empennage group aide in flight optimization through the entire envelope.

The X15 rocket looks like a design concept for the F16, F35 by the wings.
 

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NASA has revealed the latest tests on a radical supersonic plane that could revolutionise air travel.

The space agency is using a model of its Quiet Supersonic Technology (QueSST) Preliminary Design in windtunnel tests at NASA's Langley Research Center.

The space agency says it is ready to begin taking bids for construction of a demonstration plane in a project worth $390 million over five years, according to Bloomberg.




Earlier this year, in what was said to be a 'significant milestone' for supersonic passenger flight, NASA completed the preliminary design review of its low-boom X-plane.

The Quiet Supersonic Transport (QueSST) design aims to reduce the sonic boom that occurs as these aircraft move faster than the speed of sound, with hopes to bring it down to a soft 'thump' to allow for flights over land.

Experts from NASA and Lockheed Martin now say the QueSST design could meet these requirements, and say flight tests could begin as early as 2021.


NASA plans to release the full request for proposals in August, following the recent draft request.

Lockheed Martin partnered with NASA as lead contractor in February 2016.

Its scale model for the Low Boom Flight Demonstration (LBFD) experimental plane was put through the 8-by 6-foot supersonic wind tunnel at NASA's Glenn Research Center last month, and the space agency has now completed the preliminary design review.

The design will be finalized over the next few months, and will undergo a static inlet performance test and low-speed wind tunnel test.

NASA now plans to solicit proposals and award a contract to build the first piloted, single-engine craft.




 

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Blake Scholl, founder of Boom Supersonic, has revealed that commercial flights on the full-sized, 55-seater aircraft which is 'better than Concorde', could begin running by 2025.

The full-size boom aircraft is expected to reach speeds of more than 1,687mph – 100mph faster than the infamous Concorde.




The news comes just months after Mr Scholl revealed that a smaller version of the plane, called the XB-1 will be tested next year.


He also said that Boom had already received 76 orders for its passenger plane from five unnamed airlines.

The Boom jet was created by top aviation experts with collective experience working at Nasa, SpaceX and Boeing.

Learning from the Concorde, they combined advanced aerodynamics, efficient engine technology and new composite materials to produce a 'safe and affordable' supersonic aircraft 2.6 times faster than current jetliners.

The prototype has been subjected to more than 1,000 simulated wind tunnel tests and features a tapered carbon fibre fuselage, and efficient turbofan jet engines.


According to the simulations, Boom's design is quieter and 30 per cent more efficient than the Concorde.

It will be split into two single-seat rows, so everybody has a window and an aisle.

To reduce weight, the seats are of the standard domestic first-class variety, so no lay-down beds.

To cut flight time, Boom's plane will cruise at 60,000 feet, where passengers will be able to see the curvature of the earth, while going 2.6 times faster than other passenger planes.

Mr Scholl said about 500 routes fit the craft's market, including a five-hour trip from San Francisco to Tokyo and a six-hour flight from Los Angeles to Sydney.



 
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Does this Boom plane have enough range to fly from Los Angeles to Sydney, that is a 15 hour flight.
 
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In a normal commercial plane its 15 hours.
 
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Question is what runways can it operate off of. Supersonic aircraft typically need more runway to land.

I'm surprised at the 76 orders. Even if only half of them follow through, that's far more than Concorde ever had.
 

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Concorde operated from "normal" commercial runways....anywhere you can land a 747 you can land Concorde. Only issues were a bumpy or undulating surface.


Take off and landing speeds were significantly higher with Concorde though because of the delta wing and its reduced lift at low speeds.
 
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