I hope the new PS5 cooler still works well... awaiting more testing

[Space Lynx]

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

YouTuber Austin Evans was able to get one of the new CFI-11-series PlayStation units imported from Japan to compare it with a launch model (watch below), and...

www.techspot.com

Source ^
the new updated PS5 is below... this is just sad and pathetic how much cooling they took away... looks like I am sticking with PC for life after all. Take care Sony, I am sorry I even tried to get a PS5, and am thankful I was never able to get one. Especially since Sony boosts frequency unlike Xbox Series X which has a static frequency... so yeah... RIP smooth frame rates.

Source for picture: https://www.techspot.com/news/91003-first-hardware-revision-ps5-looks-like-step-backwards.html

 

[Selaya]

Ah, the good ol' bait-and-switch, as old as the history of mankind itself.

 

[Space Lynx]

Ah, the good ol' bait-and-switch, as old as the history of mankind itself.

Yep, Sony won't be getting a penny from me. PC for life!!!

 

[P4-630]

I posted this in GN https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/general-nonsense.232862/post-4594130

 

[Space Lynx]

I posted this in GN https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/general-nonsense.232862/post-4594130

Sorry, didn't see that, also I feel it deserves it's own thread, and not in the lounge. The public has a right to know they are getting ripped off. 5 Celsius warmer may not sound like much, but as the video shows, with the variable boost clock... yeah just sad...

 

[GerKNG]

there are people that have any kind of respect or love for sony?

 

[Space Lynx]

there are people that have any kind of respect or love for sony?

I grew up on PS1 and PS2 and really loved those days... and always respected them for creating and funding excellent exclusives over the decades.

I did skip ps3 and ps4 due to other things in life going on, but was hoping to come back with PS5 to play some of the backlog I missed.

I won't be playing that backlog now. Sticking with PC.

 

[DR4G00N]

I don't see the problem? It's pretty standard practice to streamline products over revisions.

I know the 360 started out with fancy heatpipe coolers and later turned to extruded aluminum ones. I had the latter, not like I cared though since it worked perfectly fine.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I don't see the problem? It's pretty standard practice to streamline products over revisions.

I know the 360 started out with fancy heatpipe coolers and later turned to extruded aluminum ones. I had the latter, not like I cared though since it worked perfectly fine.

The PS5 is based on boost clocks, not fixed clocks like previous consoles. There has been no known silicon revision that would dramatically reduce power usage or heat generation. That means this PS5 revision with either be significantly louder, have worse performance and graphics then the original model, or more likely both.

The Xbox 360 revisions came along with lower power consumption as time went on. The Xenon was 203w, the falcon 175w, the jasper 150w, the trinity 133w, and the corona 115w. No such silicon revision has been seen here.

EDIT: fixed console variant names and wattages.

there are people that have any kind of respect or love for sony?

Sony built up a huge fanbase with the PS1 and PS2. The PS3, despite it's cost issues, had a large library of fantastic titles. The PS4 was seen as a fantastic console despite it's lack of quality exclusive titles. There are a LOT of people that will go to bat for sony.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't see the problem? It's pretty standard practice to streamline products over revisions.

I know the 360 started out with fancy heatpipe coolers and later turned to extruded aluminum ones. I had the latter, not like I cared though since it worked perfectly fine.

Did the 360 have a static frequency CPU or a boosting one?

@TheinsanegamerN you beat me to it. lol

 

[Aquinus]

Variable clock isn't a bad thing unless you begin to thermal throttle because it's boosting higher than the device can dissipate the heat for extended durations. Most CPUs and GPUs these days dynamically adjust clocks and it's getting harder and harder to force a clock frequency, and like with AMD's latest chips, that can also really hurt performance as well. So all in all, I think the issue with variable clocks is pretty dumb. The concern should be if the PS5 is overburdened because of its performance given its thermal capabilities (or limitations I should say,) but I'm not sure that's Sony's fault. If the thermal and boosting characteristics of the PS5 are known by engineers, they should understand that boost speeds will not be maintained. That's not Sony's fault to be honest. It's game devs who should be building the game to run within the capabilities of the device. Just my 2¢.

 

[Space Lynx]

Variable clock isn't a bad thing unless you begin to thermal throttle because it's boosting higher than the device can dissipate the heat for extended durations. Most CPUs and GPUs these days dynamically adjust clocks and it's getting harder and harder to force a clock frequency, and like with AMD's chips, that can also really hurt performance as well. So all in all, I think the issue with variable clocks is pretty dumb. The concern should be if the PS5 is overburdened because its performance given its thermal capabilities. If the thermal and boosting characteristics of the PS5 are known by engineers, they should understand that boost speeds will not be maintained. That's not Sony's fault to be honest. It's game devs who should be building the game to run within the capabilities of the device. Just my 2¢.

I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind that 90% of console gamers are not gaming with a Freesync display, so there will be some stuttering here and there. Consoles are trying to act like PC's too much these days, and the end user is about to find out what that means. If they get a freesync display, I agree it probably won't be noticeable. Also though... its the bait and switch moral of the story here too... really crappy of Sony.

 

[P4-630]

That means this PS5 revision with either be significantly louder, have worse performance and graphics then the original model, or more likely both.

The new version is about 1 dBA quieter, and it runs about 4 degrees Celsius warmer.

 

[Aquinus]

I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind that 90% of console gamers are not gaming with a Freesync display, so there will be some stuttering here and there. Consoles are trying to act like PC's too much these days, and the end user is about to find out what that means. If they get a freesync display, I agree it probably won't be noticeable. Also though... its the bait and switch moral of the story here too... really crappy of Sony.

I'm skeptical that people would notice regardless to be completely honest. Also, we don't really know how much overhead the original design had in terms of thermal headroom. There is a lot of speculation going on here beyond the smaller heatsink and running a little warmer. Whether or not that pans out into a tangible performance degradation remains to be seen. I wouldn't make that assumption quite yet.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

3-5c hotter, not worth bothering over.

 

[glsn]

whatever they need to cut cost
~5C are ignorable anyway

 

[AsRock]

3-5c hotter, not worth bothering over.

But they might be boosting less too due to that extra heat.

 

[glsn]

But they might be boosting less too due to that extra heat.

nobody will ever notice

 

[Chomiq]

OP must have missed out on PSX, PS2, PS3 and PS4 revisions. Original model was overengineered, at least if they're finally putting better fan in it you no longer have to worry about swapping out those fans yourself. Either way, with current availability I'll consider it once Slim or new SKU comes out. Same with GPU's - unless it's at MSRP I might skip current gen for 4000/7000.

 

[The red spirit]

there are people that have any kind of respect or love for sony?

Sure there are, you certainly wouldn't want to see console forum.

 

[Space Lynx]

OP must have missed out on PSX, PS2, PS3 and PS4 revisions. Original model was overengineered, at least if they're finally putting better fan in it you no longer have to worry about swapping out those fans yourself. Either way, with current availability I'll consider it once Slim or new SKU comes out. Same with GPU's - unless it's at MSRP I might skip current gen for 4000/7000.

the PS1 and PS2 had static frequency cpu/gpu's to my knowledge... also it took many many years for the slim/updated models to release not less than a year... context people...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

YouTuber Austin Evans was able to get one of the new CFI-11-series PlayStation units imported from Japan to compare it with a launch model (watch below), and...

www.techspot.com

Source ^
the new updated PS5 is below... this is just sad and pathetic how much cooling they took away... looks like I am sticking with PC for life after all. Take care Sony, I am sorry I even tried to get a PS5, and am thankful I was never able to get one. Especially since Sony boosts frequency unlike Xbox Series X which has a static frequency... so yeah... RIP smooth frame rates.

Source for picture: https://www.techspot.com/news/91003-first-hardware-revision-ps5-looks-like-step-backwards.html

How's it perform, if they shrunk the chips and need to cool less than it could be ok, if it performs worse, well I'll be disappointed.
After reading it , doesn't sound good, more testing is needed but I can't see it going.well.

 

[outpt]

death to consoles long live the PC Master race.

 

[R-T-B]

I don't see the problem? It's pretty standard practice to streamline products over revisions.

I know the 360 started out with fancy heatpipe coolers and later turned to extruded aluminum ones. I had the latter, not like I cared though since it worked perfectly fine.

It also dropped it's TDP massively. Has that happened here? If so, storm in a teacup.

 

[Flanker]

Some benchmarks to see the differences in performance would be nice