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Sony Showcases Two PlayStation 5 Console Versions, Platform-Exclusive Next Generation Games

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Yes, but as an adult, have you built models based on those drawings and featured them prominently in your living room? I didn't think so ;)
Yeah unfortunately I haven't set the room up, though generally speaking I prefer clean & spacious environments. Nearly everything that isn't used daily is crammed in an attic or any other storage space. I definitely am not pro flashy items anywhere I have control over, personal space is a bit different. Just to clarify ~ I don't find the PS5 flashy, at least from the image I see here.
 
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Based on this trend, the console would soon be the same size as a mid-tower PC. Well they are literally x86 PC with a fancy case and specialised OS anyway, so not surprised.
Both MS and Sony wanted desktop graphics power,
None of that relates to what I said, nor to your initial statement - they are still "GPU design houses" by any reasonable definition of that term.

Also, nice "hey, you don't know anything" flex with "LOL Adreno is even based on an AMD design" stuff - not only is that common knowledge to anyone interested in GPUs, but it has no bearing on my point. AMD sold the Adreno design to Qualcomm in 2009 after all, and I'm willing to bet quite a lot that there has been significant design work done for those GPUs since then. So even if the basis was AMD (well, actually Imageon, bought by ATI, which was then bought by AMD), Qualcomm is nonetheless a GPU design house.


"Looking like a movie prop", especially when said movie is likely to be a low-budget B-rate pulp sci-fi job, is not that great a compliment. Most people don't want tacky "hey look ma, I drew a spaceship" designs in their living rooms. This looks cheap, tacky, and woefully poorly thought through. Combined with the (massive!) size (see previous post in this thread), this is going to be a problem for a lot of people.
This topic is about Sony's PS5 and your argument with handset GPU vendors is useless since they are inferior when compared to PS5's GPU.
 
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This topic is about Sony's PS5 and your argument with handset GPU vendors is useless since they are inferior when compared to PS5's GPU.
I never said they were comparable in terms of performance, I just said that your statement that
Intel is evolving into the world's number 3 GPU design house after NVIDIA and AMD.
is wrong by any reasonable understanding of the term "GPU design house". Also, as to this topic being about the PS5, might I remind you who brought Nvidia and Intel into this in the first place?
 
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Graphics so real even the presenters look rendered. /s
 
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But they lost brutally in the only department that matters. Games. 5 seconds of Ratchet and Clank had more gameplay than the entire XBox "gameplay" presentation.
Sole reason I'm sticking 25+ years with Sony. I'm a big fan of JRPG, they had abundant and to my knowledge Japanese developer didn't bother developed game for a "foreign" platform. I will switch to PS5, but not these stain collecting white and router-esque design, I'll wait for revision / slimmer version :D
 
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Personally I don't even remember when I've bought a console game as new. Skate 3 on X360 probably. These days I just buy old console games from ebay and everything digitally for PC.
Pretty much this for me since the PS3 days too. I've invested relatively little money in, yet accumulated quite a lot of PS3 and PS4 games over the years by buying them at least 12 months after they release. Sometimes second hand, sometimes just reduced because they aren't a new release. The bonus is by then all the bugs are well and truly ironed out. Mind you I only play single player games though.
 
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If they do it all Black would fit and blend perfectly, but white does not go with my living room arrangement, they probably will do black version as well. but nevertheless, i bet they will sell at least 150M units this time.
 
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Just searched "PS5 Look" and First LINK :laugh:

It looks like a stormtrooper made love to an art deco lamp. I actually don’t hate it.Brian Westover, Editor

I think it’s bizarre and kind of ugly.Mike Andronico, Editor-in-Chief
 
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I never said they were comparable in terms of performance, I just said that your statement that

is wrong by any reasonable understanding of the term "GPU design house". Also, as to this topic being about the PS5, might I remind you who brought Nvidia and Intel into this in the first place?
Your argument is invalid since handset GPU vendors' products are inferior to PS5 GPU solution. My "GPU design house" debate was backed by Sony's selection for AMD with performance and value for the money.

The context for my argument starts from https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/sony-showcases-two-playstation-5-console-versions-platform-exclusive-next-generation-games.268381/post-4287792 The argument is about "What IF" performance from other vendors besides AMD. Name a credible alternative to AMD, Intel, and Nvidia for PS5 performance target. IBM has expensive Power 9 CPUs LOL.
 
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Your argument is invalid since handset GPU vendors' products are inferior to PS5 GPU solution. My "GPU design house" debate was backed by Sony's selection for AMD with performance and value for the money.

The context for my argument starts from https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/sony-showcases-two-playstation-5-console-versions-platform-exclusive-next-generation-games.268381/post-4287792 The argument is about "What IF" performance from other vendors besides AMD. Name a credible alternative to AMD, Intel, and Nvidia for PS5 performance target. IBM has expensive Power 9 CPUs LOL.
Well, there's nothing indicating the Intel will be a viable alternative any time soon either. And given that nobody has tried scaling the other designs up past a few cores and a few watts, we simply don't know. I don't think they're particularly good, but there's nothing saying they're worse than Intel.

As for context, that is the post where you made that "GPU design house" statement. It's the exact post I first quoted. Before that we were discussing GPU features and innovation. If that is your benchmark, that definitely disqualifies Intel - thinking they'll be in a position to innovate on features any time soon is wishful thinking. But again, that is an unreasonable benchmark for as broad a term as "GPU design house". If you said "PC GPU maker" I'd be in agreement with you, but there are many companies designing GPUs out there.
 

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Well, I don't see much wrong with doing away with physical media, at least in part. Take my modded PS2 for example. In that time, almost every console game was entirely loaded from the optical disc. However, with FMCB and a hard drive, I can pop my disc in the drive, install the game, and put the disc away forever. What I'm left with is a game that's still quite playable, even more so than it was intended to be, because a hard drive will outperform an optical disc all day every day.

Also, do not forget that optical media does not last forever. Your discs can just die, regardless of how well you took care of them. It's a big problem for old PS1 games. What if my FF7 discs die? Now I have to find a second/third/fourth hand etc replacement that's just as old and vulnerable to sudden death as my first one. And the disc drive in the console can die, too. At least if my hard drive in my PS2 dies... even if all my discs also die on the same day, I can always find the ISOs online and get everything back.

Of course, Steam, PSN, etc can go poof one day... but it's unlikely to happen, at least overnight. And if it does, I would hope the powers that be would leave behind a way for us to play our games. Hell, even EA was removing the requirement for your disc to be in the drive with their final patches for earlier Battlefield games (1942, Vietnam, 2 and 2142 at least, that I know of). And if the service in question DOES totally tank, you can always find it again "another way" and you would be well within your rights to do so.

That was a little long winded, but the point is: just as something like PSN can die, so can a physical disc. And in the case of retro games, finding a good replacement can be a challenge. At least nothing ever truly dies on the internet.
 
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Well, there's nothing indicating the Intel will be a viable alternative any time soon either. And given that nobody has tried scaling the other designs up past a few cores and a few watts, we simply don't know. I don't think they're particularly good, but there's nothing saying they're worse than Intel.

As for context, that is the post where you made that "GPU design house" statement. It's the exact post I first quoted. Before that we were discussing GPU features and innovation. If that is your benchmark, that definitely disqualifies Intel - thinking they'll be in a position to innovate on features any time soon is wishful thinking. But again, that is an unreasonable benchmark for as broad a term as "GPU design house". If you said "PC GPU maker" I'd be in agreement with you, but there are many companies designing GPUs out there.
My "GPU design house" statement is made with Sony's partner selection context and this topic is about Sony's PS5.

Intel DG1 is slower than RX 560 and GTX 1050 Ti which exceeds PS4. Intel is slowly building it's GPU design team.
 
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and put the disc away forever.
Not forever, just until it's needed again. I think people greatly under-estimate the utility of having originals & backups.

When you buy digital only with DRM built in, there is no way for you to continue playing your games when the service shuts down. Example, Wii Shop... If I didn't have a soft-modded Wii and the know-how to make backup's playable, I'd be without the games I'd purchased when my Wii broke down. If I hadn't known how to do so, my entire digital Wii library would be gone forever. IMHO, that amounts to theft on the part of Nintendo for not making an option for people to still be able to play their purchased games.

My point is, buying titles on a DRM digital only platform is a crap business model and amounts to a form of theft from the platform owners. If you buy digital only, you play your games only at the whim of the makers, which is entirely, completely unacceptable.
 

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Not forever, just until it's needed again. I think people greatly under-estimate the utility of having originals & backups.

When you buy digital only with DRM built in, there is no way for you to continue playing your games when the service shuts down. Example, Wii Shop... If I didn't have a soft-modded Wii and the know-how to make backup's playable, I'd be without the games I'd purchased when my Wii broke down. If I hadn't known how to do so, my entire digital Wii library would be gone forever. IMHO, that amounts to theft on the part of Nintendo for not making an option for people to still be able to play their purchased games.

My point is, buying titles on a DRM digital only platform is a crap business model and amounts to a form of theft from the platform owners. If you buy digital only, you play your games only at the whim of the makers, which is entirely, completely unacceptable.
Did you miss this part?

And if the service in question DOES totally tank, you can always find it again "another way" and you would be well within your rights to do so.
 
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