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Following the success of the original DT heat-pipe TherMax series, we’re proudly introducing the TherMax Eclipse II. Powered by Innovation and with awesome looks this CPU Cooler is one supreme performer. Equipped with five 8mm Direct Touch U-Shaped sintered powder heat-pipes combined with black-nickel coated stamped heat-sink fins to best preserve killer looks. The TherMax Eclipse II is ready to best cool the extreme hot 130W to 150W Micro-processors made by Intel and AMD.

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Seems like a promising cooler..
 
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I wonder why most of CPU Cooler designers place heatpipes so much spread apart.
I understand it may be cheaper to manufacture, when they are straight, but it must loose performance.

The best coolers out there don't use "direct heatpipe contact" for a reason. They've got a small block of copper that will spread the heat for cores to all heatpipes (take a look at TRUE).

Most of CPU heat is generated right in the middle of the package...
In case of this cooler (and other "direct h-pipe touch") the outside heatpipes have barely anything to do...

If only someone could design a cooler which has more heatpipes cramped in the center, touching cores... not edges of CPU package.
Single huge heatpipe maybe ?

Cheers,
 
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I wonder why most of CPU Cooler designers place heatpipes so much spread apart.
I understand it may be cheaper to manufacture, when they are straight, but it must loose performance.

The best coolers out there don't use "direct heatpipe contact" for a reason. They've got a small block of copper that will spread the heat for cores to all heatpipes (take a look at TRUE).

Most of CPU heat is generated right in the middle of the package...
In case of this cooler (and other "direct h-pipe touch") the outside heatpipes have barely anything to do...

If only someone could design a cooler which has more heatpipes cramped in the center, touching cores... not edges of CPU package.
Single huge heatpipe maybe ?

Cheers,
Well sythe and a few others did do a single heat pipe when the tech was first introduced to cpu cooling tech and it didnt fair so well, they called them "heat tubes"
 
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This reminds me of something...

Oh right the 3Rsystem Iceage Boss II.

Looks like the same damn thing to me... heatpipe configuration, dimpled fins, etc etc.

Edit: Well as for the cooler... It seems to be a combination of the TRUE, Megahalems, and Thor's Hammer and Xiggy 1283. It's got the nickel plated fins with a heatsink between the fins and contact area like the Hammer, the girth of a TRUE, an inward middle similar to the Megahalems, and rubber fan mounts like the 1283. More so they added something I've never seen before, dimpled fins. According to FrostyTech this is a very good cooler, one of the best for AMD.
 
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This reminds me of something...

Oh right the 3Rsystem Iceage Boss II.

Looks like the same damn thing to me... heatpipe configuration, dimpled fins, etc etc.

Edit: Well as for the cooler... It seems to be a combination of the TRUE, Megahalems, and Thor's Hammer and Xiggy 1283. It's got the nickel plated fins with a heatsink between the fins and contact area like the Hammer, the girth of a TRUE, an inward middle similar to the Megahalems, and rubber fan mounts like the 1283. More so they added something I've never seen before, dimpled fins. According to FrostyTech this is a very good cooler, one of the best for AMD.
I actually own the "original" which is actually the OEM that makes all these coolers... :respect:
 
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I wonder why most of CPU Cooler designers place heatpipes so much spread apart.
I understand it may be cheaper to manufacture, when they are straight, but it must loose performance.

The best coolers out there don't use "direct heatpipe contact" for a reason. They've got a small block of copper that will spread the heat for cores to all heatpipes (take a look at TRUE).

Most of CPU heat is generated right in the middle of the package...
In case of this cooler (and other "direct h-pipe touch") the outside heatpipes have barely anything to do...

If only someone could design a cooler which has more heatpipes cramped in the center, touching cores... not edges of CPU package.
Single huge heatpipe maybe ?

Cheers,


There's already coolers that don't have gaps between the DHT pipes just alot of companies go to the same cheap oem :laugh:

check out the "coolink corator ds" for an interesting take on DHT, its almost like they've poured molten copper onto the heatpipes so its fills the gaps but there's also no gap between the copper flat base and the pipes due to how they've done it.

It works pretty damn well as well, according to one review ( the only one I've found so far) its only 1c behind the big Noctua 14cm cooler but its £20 cheaper :D


 

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Looks very nice. One thing I come to understand about DHT tech is this: Even though they have some spacing inbetween (soldered, scintered, whatever they call it) the heat pipes wick the heat away quicker (no loss with a baseplate or time lost) and more of it. I do agree that I would love to see them do DHT with a same leveled piece of copper inbetween the heatpipes (kind of like a smooth face)
 
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I still want to see a combination of vapour chamber + heatpipes.

Or a single massive heatpipe made flat ( people say its hard to do but I've managed to flatten and bend copper pipes by hand so I imagine if they could adapt their machines they could do it this way too)



Oh thought I'd add, the corator fan isn't the greatest one in the world so may perform better with a Noctua fan or something like a 1850rpm gentle typhoon etc.
 
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Is not really molten cooper over the pipes.
They just melted a little bit the base and then brushed it so it looks gapless, but still DHT.
Look at tis image

PD: Since there is a lot of fin spacing on the corator, high Pressure fans wont give any better temps (i.e. gentle typhoon), but maybe high RPM fans would do the job.
 
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I really wonder why Expert user here and editor dont know some secret about Oem product!
this cooler is made by China pccooler with a little change at cooler and color Just this please see below link about pccooler Hp-1216x
http://www.pccooler.cn/cn/proview.php?pro_typeid=248&pro_typeid2=250&pro_id=1540
Ya, my Vantec AeroFlow FX 120 and a XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 are exactly the same. However, I'm not sure if the material used is the same.
Those 2 outside heatpipes on that Spire aren't doing to much work.


 
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I really wonder why Expert user here and editor dont know some secret about Oem product!
this cooler is made by China pccooler with a little change at cooler and color Just this please see below link about pccooler Hp-1216x
http://www.pccooler.cn/cn/proview.php?pro_typeid=248&pro_typeid2=250&pro_id=1540
I've seen two different coolers tested by FrostyTech that are exactly the same, but I didn't think it was anything special, seeing that PSU's are often made by the same manufacturer as well.

3Rsystem Iceage 120 Boss II
XtremeGear HP-1216B
 
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Another month, another cooler based on this one: XtremeGear HDT 1216 if this spire one ever makes it to market it will have a few clones to fight through first.

I've been using them on builds for a while and can't really fault them.
 
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Is not really molten cooper over the pipes.
They just melted a little bit the base and then brushed it so it looks gapless, but still DHT.
.

Aye I did say "almost like"
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...More so they added something I've never seen before, dimpled fins. According to FrostyTech this is a very good cooler, one of the best for AMD.
OCZ Vendetta 2 has dimples. Its already few years old product.



Of course they're different but still, dimples.
 
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Still waiting on a air cooler to have fins that are in a zigzag or waves to add extra surface area in the same amount of space.
 
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Still waiting on a air cooler to have fins that are in a zigzag or waves to add extra surface area in the same amount of space.
Largest surface area does not always mean best performance...
Take a look at one of the best coolers out there... TRUE.

Thermalright actually removed some of the fins in latest revision (rev A/B -> rev C), to make airflow less restricted, and actually gained some cooling performance !

Designing best cooler is not trivial. There's a sweet spot between amount of surface area, airflow friction, fan CFM and fan characteristics that you'll never see on its specs... like a function of flow to pressure difference (pressure difference largely depends on how airflow resistant the radiator is).

To make a nice cooler you need lots of heatpipes, lots of fins and big-ass fan.
But to make the best one, you need science.
 
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Yes I'm fully aware.

But you could make a wide fin spacing 92mm heatsink as effective as a 120mm heat-sink with the zigzag design + high flow fans : ]


Hell I've got a 70mm heatsink that outperforms my old TRUE 120ex by shit tons, whilst it doesn't have zigzag fins it uses a very different design to most coolers I've seen.

Heatsinks manufacturers need to experiment more.
 
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Hell I've got a 70mm heatsink that outperforms my old TRUE 120ex by shit tons, whilst it doesn't have zigzag fins it uses a very different design to most coolers I've seen.
Unless it's made of pure silver, I'd like to know what is it...
...and how loud it is :)

OK. Seriosly... even if it's made of pure silver with platinum coating, I still want to know. :D
 
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check out the "coolink corator ds" for an interesting take on DHT, its almost like they've poured molten copper onto the heatpipes so its fills the gaps but there's also no gap between the copper flat base and the pipes due to how they've done it.

It works pretty damn well as well, according to one review ( the only one I've found so far) its only 1c behind the big Noctua 14cm cooler but its £20 cheaper :D

http://resources.vr-zone.com/image_deposit/up2/1262278366b955285ae6.jpg
http://www.pureoverclock.com/images/news/coolink_corator_126b.jpg
Ah! That is the design I've been looking for in a CPU heatsink! 'Tis one of the sexiest things I have ever seen. (Kidding, but seriously, wish I could find one to buy and test out).
 
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No idea of brand or OEM, it was a lucky purchase!

Also unfortunately not silver, but second best! Gota say though, platinum coating would make the cooling worse by the way, its useless for heatinks! ( and expensive)




*

**

Excuse the mess in this shot XD ( current set up am yet to mod the case)


* fan has been changed to AMD stock 70mm fan.
** this photo was taken on another one of my rigs


Beat True 120 by 15c by the by. on cpu in systems specs same clocks/volts

Hell its only 10 degrees or so( underload and and idle) warmer then the water set up I have ( tripple radiator xspc restop with liang pump, dtek fuzion v2)
 
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No idea of brand or OEM, it was a lucky purchase!

Also unfortunately not silver, but second best! Gota say though, platinum coating would make the cooling worse by the way, its useless for heatinks! ( and expensive)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mopatop/DSCF1288.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mopatop/DSCF1286.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mopatop/DSCF1284.jpg*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mopatop/DSCF1289.jpg**

Excuse the mess in this shot XD ( current set up am yet to mod the case)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mopatop/DSCF1337.jpg

* fan has been changed to AMD stock 70mm fan.
** this photo was taken on another one of my rigs


Beat True 120 by 15c by the by. on cpu in systems specs same clocks/volts

Hell its only 10 degrees ( underload and and idle) warmer then the water set up I have ( tripple radiator xspc restop with liang pump, dtek fuzion v2)
Panther are you actually comparing these coolers against the TRUE or are you going by data you've acquired from the past? I've always found it hard to believe that your Domino beat the TRUE by 20c and now that copper thing by 15c.
 
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@ panther, can you take a picture like the last one, but without the shroud?