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Neither have I, then again I always had quality stuff. Intel M25-X, Crucial M4 and Samsung 850 Pro. All 3 historically and statistically one of most reliable SSD drives ever made.
some still expensive.....

Sure, but I'd almost rather have 5% failure rate with slow obvious death approaching than 0.5% with instantaneous death. Some SSD's go down slowly, but most I've heard were "working now, next moment totally non functional".
one on my Office just died, he torned slower the first day... mostly at boot, then i decided to back up all the data, i was about to format de computer since it was a pretty old installation, formated and the system stood slow... 2 days later the SSD died... never boooted again ...[old intel cheap SSD]

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SSDs are os drives, hdds are storage, look at my specs.
 
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So far, personally I've had only one HDD failure for past 15 years.
SSD, I've started to use them when 64gb one became affordable. I think I've been using them for around 7 years.
So far, I've had one SSD failure (Kingston cheapo SSD which I purchased 4 at that time.)

So, it's 1 : 1 for me.

Now, machines I built for others, I've had plenty of failures, most HDD because clients didn't want to pay more for SSD.
 
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From what I see around me, hdd have higher failure rate, but also the ssd are not so common like hdd, I try to use only quality hardware, now I have 2TB 850 Pro, for all, games, work, so on, but I have a backup of data(internal and external)...
 
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To this day an SSD is faster yes, but definitely not really less likely to fail, well AFAIK?
They have a limit on how many times you can write data to them and they have not advanced enough to deliver storage options (1TB) at a low cost, not saying our deals are bad though, SSD's have dropped significantly in cost.

HDD's and SSD's are not really better than each other in any way. Your thoughts?
I agree.Use an ssd for OS and non-critical things.
For things one doesn't want to lose an HDD is better.
I felt the sting of a 512-gb SSD dying with no warning.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
"For those that doesn't want to lose" taking BACKUPS are better. Perhaps it wouldn't sting as much had you properly protected yourself from ANY failure. Like G.I Joe said, "knowing is half the battle". ;)
 

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I have 2 Evo 500GB in RAID 0 blindingly fast but yeah I wonder about how it will effect their life span.
 

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Why would it effect their life span?
I dunno I figure RAID 0 gives them a pretty good thrashing. But that said I have 2TB RAID 0 array with WD Blacks that have been going for years. I guess I'm just being paranoid...
 

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Sure, but I'd almost rather have 5% failure rate with slow obvious death approaching than 0.5% with instantaneous death. Some SSD's go down slowly, but most I've heard were "working now, next moment totally non functional".

I've had plenty of HDDs that were working now and non-functional the next moment.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I dunno I figure RAID 0 gives them a pretty good thrashing. But that said I have 2TB RAID 0 array with WD Blacks that have been going for years. I guess I'm just being paranoid...
Its really no more thrashing than a single drive. ;)
 

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Its really no more thrashing than a single drive. ;)
Good to know. Actually @EarthDog I have question you would probably know the answer to. I was led to believe defragging an Array was a bad thng? I I you're not supposed to defrag SSDs but my other array of spinnies?
 

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I don't see why you wouldn't defrag a RAID array on a HDD...
That was my thoughts too thanks for confirmation. In my mind RAID 0 is already "fragged" in that the drives are "splitting the data"?between them so putting it "in order " would be "worse" No?
 
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My guess would be that Windows only sees the logical drive. Not the stripped array. So it shouldn't hurt anything
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
It puts the blocks in order. Its not like it will write it all to one drive. It will do unto the other in defrag as it is doing in normal operations.
 

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"For those that doesn't want to lose" taking BACKUPS are better. Perhaps it wouldn't sting as much had you properly protected yourself from ANY failure. Like G.I Joe said, "knowing is half the battle". ;)

So much this. I honestly don't even understand the question, and there's no such thing as a single drive good for critical storage.
 
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I just pulled these out of my server, they're still purring along just fine, I just needed larger drives in it.

HGST.jpg


When Hitachi bought the HDD business from IBM, they had some of the fastest and most reliable drives going.
 
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That was when IBM still owned the division, they're last batch completely turned the corner though. Probably knew they were being sold off lol.

But ya, the 75GXP was nominated as one of the worst products ever, and deservedly so.

Edit: I had a couple of these running for almost 12 years on an Asus A7V 133. It ran Windows 2000 Server for over a decade.
http://www.cnet.com/products/ibm-deskstar-20gxp-hard-drive-20-5-gb-ata-66/
 
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I use SSDs for everything, even in production machines at work: VM servers, SQL servers, all of it. RAID 10 gives me all the performance I can handle, and peace of mind, and everything is backed up to spinning storage. Not having to wait on large database queries make the cost justifiable. I've had one SSD die ever, and that was six years ago, and turned out to be a firmware problem.
 
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in my humble opinion,
SSD are for booting OS, no more than that...
HDD are for storage, also installing games and sh*t.... i dont even game on SSD....

also, im using now days a ^)GB Kingston SSDNow V300 as portable drive on a kingston enclosure... pretty interesting, since that kit its pretty cheap, also pretty much faster compared to a standard usb portable drive..

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I couldn't see it differently..lol.. To me an SSD is for programs you need to respond fast..
OS, Games, programs like Autocad or video editing software.. Store end data to HDD's.. Programs to the SSD.
In games it makes a world of difference on load times. Seen that first hand.

As for reliability.. I've seen some HD's that fail faster than some SSD's.. I'm not worried about it at all. They are much more resilient than they are given credit for..
 
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I think one way to look at it is if they were the same price per Gb would you run only SSDs? Why yes I would
 
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I don't know about you, but I don't fear my ssd dying anytime soon http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
http://www.zdnet.com/article/ssd-reliability-in-the-real-world-googles-experience/

The most important conclusion from this article: SSD age, not usage, affects reliability.
30-80 percent of SSDs develop at least one bad block and 2-7 percent develop at least one bad chip in the first four years of deployment.

Also UBER Rate (number of data errors/number of bits read) on SSD is higher than HDD. So BACKUP!
 
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Having used IBM/PC compatibles since 1988 I have had... three HDD failures that I recall, all of which were drives used in my main workstation which is on 24/7. I have also had three SSDs brick on me (two Crucial one Corsair).

Considering I have been working with HDDs almost triple the amount of time I have been working with SSDs and I use HDDs more those figures do worry me slightly but it is a tiny sample, and regardless I don't keep anything worth losing on any un-raided drive, backups FTW.
 
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