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Stick with 3570k or go for the 4670k?

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By the way my 2500k is clocked @ 4.3ghz and I'm also running an old 8800gt
If you are gaming outside your web browser, upgrade your GPU.
 
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Honestly, I've looked in detail at what Z87 and Haswell offers, in short, 5%-10% more performance at best and thats it. There is nothing else noteworthy technology-wise you are getting exactly the same thing, Haswell is just a little bit more refined. By the time a Ivy Z77 or Haswell Z87 start to look tired intel are going to be a tick and a tock further down the road anyway, both platforms have exactly the same life expectancy at this time.
if he already had the 3570k build I would agree, he doesn't though and can swap it out for haswell before it ships for the same cost, it's a no brainer imo eve if it is for just a 5-10% performance improvement, resale value is going to be better as well if that plays a part.
 
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Cadaveca...Do you happen to have the ASROCK OC FORMULA in hand if so can you compare it with the MSI MPower please. Other than the extra usb 3.0 ports, and I think cpu phase changers...What is the difference between the MPOWER and the MPOWER MAX?
 
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THIS.


I am quite happy with Haswell. More than happy, actually. And to me, these boards...man, they are all awesome. This ain't Z77, for sure. Z87 boards are definitely a cut above the previous platforms. Every brand has really outdone themselves. So get the Haswell, and have an upgrade path for the future.
I ordered a 4770K and ASRock Z87 Extreme6 this morning (current parts will be re-purposed elsewhere). I'm impressed that a lot of board manufacturers have stepped up their game in the audio department, and I'm excited to try out the new ALC 1150 codec. More native USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s ports are also a plus, though I don't use a whole lot of either. :)
 

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Other than the extra usb 3.0 ports, and I think cpu phase changers...What is the difference between the MPOWER and the MPOWER MAX?
Expansion slot configuration. Maybe other things, I only have the MAX.


I do not have the ASRock OC Formula boards yet, but am expecting them. I have a lot of boards already, so I already do have a large amount of work to do before I'll get to them.

I ordered a 4770K and ASRock Z87 Extreme6 this morning (current parts will be re-purposed elsewhere). I'm impressed that a lot of board manufacturers have stepped up their game in the audio department, and I'm excited to try out the new ALC 1150 codec. More native USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s ports are also a plus, though I don't use a whole lot of either. :)
Both USB3.0 and SATA6 Gb/s seem to have gotten a bit faster with Z87. USB 3.0, seemingly in a big way. Audio is definitely one part that is getting more attention too, for sure.
 
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@ Cadaveca...Speaking of audio I don't remember if it was you that did the review on the new Creative soundcards, but, How does the onboard sound of the MPOWER compares to the new z series from Creative?
One thing that drew me to the OC Formula from ASROCK is the LCD screen I saw on the board and the fact that it as wireless AC. I just recently bought the NETGEAR R6300 and would definitely like to try it out with an AC compatible device. My wife don't game or use her PC as much(she as an PII 955 BE system) and if I were to upgrade my system I could do several things, one give her my old system, give my HTPC an upgrade or 3 do my first option and send my wifes system to my younger brother.
 
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#32
lol if you can grab a 2500k for 80-100 cheaper it's even better XD well just me. but hey whichever fits your budget and if you believe a few fps or percentage is worth a couple of bucks then go ahead but if the hassy is cheaper then go with it.
 
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#33
I wouldn't upgrade.... the only way upgrading would be worth it is if you want to upgrade to a i7 3930k X79 Chipset or i7 4770K with Z87 chipset, Because of the extra performance you would be gaining. But if only upgrading from a i5 3570K to i5 4570K there is no reason to upgrade for a 5% to 10% performance gain and that is negligible after overclocking considering the i5 3570K is capable most times of higher overclocks.
 

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if he already had the 3570k build I would agree, he doesn't though and can swap it out for haswell before it ships for the same cost, it's a no brainer imo eve if it is for just a 5-10% performance improvement, resale value is going to be better as well if that plays a part.
He said there would be extra charges for changing his build late in the day so to speak, hence.. stick with what he has got already. If there weren't going to be charges for changing his build then I would also say change things, but as there is.. stick with what hes got there isn't any difference anyway.
 
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He said there would be extra charges for changing his build late in the day so to speak, hence.. stick with what he has got already. If there weren't going to be charges for changing his build then I would also say change things, but as there is.. stick with what hes got there isn't any difference anyway.
I also think the charges wont be that much that's why he is willing to take the chance and change if necessary.
 

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Charges are charges. Any charge when simply going from Ivy to Haswell makes Haswell not worth it IMO. Even if the charge is something like £30, you can have a pretty decent night out in the pub for that :p
 

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I'd say stick with the Sabertooth Z77 + i5-3570k
 
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#38
I called up this morning and asked about swapping the parts out but the only way I could do it was to cancel the order and place a new one. I went that route as the Haswell gear worked out slightly cheaper and came with a free copy of Grid 2.

Excellent customer service from the manufacturer, I'm happy I went ahead and did it now.
 
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I am quite happy with Haswell. More than happy, actually. And to me, these boards...man, they are all awesome. This ain't Z77, for sure. Z87 boards are definitely a cut above the previous platforms. Every brand has really outdone themselves. So get the Haswell, and have an upgrade path for the future.
Damn, Dave, you're making me want to go for Haswell, and I've just built my Ivy Bridge system 6 months ago! If I come into some extra $ it's a done deal. I can always sell the Ivy system later....
 
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Just bought my 4770k today, including Asus z87-A mobo.
The HardOCP site managed to reach 4.7 Ghz STABLE using this mobo. 5Ghz Over heat.
 

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@ Cadaveca...Speaking of audio I don't remember if it was you that did the review on the new Creative soundcards, but, How does the onboard sound of the MPOWER compares to the new z series from Creative?
Frederick does audio. Haven't had a creative card since X-Fi and some onboard Recon3D.



Damn, Dave, you're making me want to go for Haswell, and I've just built my Ivy Bridge system 6 months ago! If I come into some extra $ it's a done deal. I can always sell the Ivy system later....
To me, Haswell is SB-E shrunk with iGPU added on, and all the issues of SB-E fixed. For overclocking, it doesn't get much better than this...at least, on the market now.:p
 
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Frederick does audio. Haven't had a creative card since X-Fi and some onboard Recon3D.

Well I pony'd up and bought both the zx and zxr, going to see which one I like the most and return the other.



To me, Haswell is SB-E shrunk with iGPU added on, and all the issues of SB-E fixed. For overclocking, it doesn't get much better than this...at least, on the market now.:p
My parts should be here I bought the mpower and the 4770k I figured since this will be my pc for the next 3 years I should be semi good. The only remaining part will be a gpu...which I will definitely not skimp on.