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Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Pinchy, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Pinchy New Member

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    I have no idea which card to pick. The computer is an older AGP system in a barebones case, so power, size and heat are key factors.

    The computer is currently being used as a normal computer by my little brother, but by the end of the year should be replaced with a new system. This computer will go downstairs and plug into the tv, to be used as a multimedia comp.

    The specs on the comp are:
    2.6Ghz Northwood (Waiting for 3.2 Northwood to arrive)
    1GB PC3200
    2x80GB Hard drives
    9800 PRO 128mb
    200W PSU, 10A on the 12V rail.

    It used to have an X800XT PE 256mb in it (for about a year) but got downgraded to cater for another computer.

    Now, my options. Im not willing to spend a lot of money on this computer because its only used for light gaming. (Whenever a bunch of mates come over and want to have a LAN). Id like it to run games on the TV well (not maxed out with all eye candy and stuff, just to run well), and run all HDTV movies properly.

    Originally, I was waiting for a DX10 AGP card to come out for the HDTV encoding thing, but I dont see what all the hype is about. I ran a HDTV video clip with no problems at all when the CPU was at 2.6, so the new 3.2 should run them fine as well.

    That said, im still interested in the DX10 AGP variants, just not "as" interested (unless there is something im missing with this HDTV thing :p).

    To the point - I want something that performs better than the 9800, especially at bigger resolutions (for the TV).

    Im tossing up between the following cards:

    256mb 7600GT - SM3.0 support (for games such as Rainbow six vegas which doesnt support SM2.0). Would choose X1650XT variant, but for the price difference its not worth it.
    256mb All in Wonder X800SE - Only SM2.0, but with it I will be able to watch and record Radio/TV and play it back whenever I want. Really handy feature for the family.
    256mb All in Wonder X800XT - Only SM2.0. I will get this only if I cant flash the X800SE into the XT. Im not too sure if these AIW cards are Vivo, so im not sure if they are flashable. If anyone knows, please tell :D.
    2600XT AGP - DX10 support, SM4.0, HDTV encoding (do I actually need it...)

    Well they are the four options. I have no idea which to choose. I would really like SM3.0 support, but that TV feature will come in very handy. (I got no extra PCI slots to put in a TV card). Ive also got the Arctic cooling VGA silencer, which has slots to fit onto many cards, so if it fits on any of the above cards, its another advantage :D.

    So tell me what you guys think :D.
     
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    hey pinchy, I would probably go with the 7600 man. Its fairly cheap and still a good card..

    Have you thought about picking up a cheap mb for that system with pci e?? it would greatly widen you range of vcard...

    Eg. 7600gt agp will be around $190
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    new mb $90 and 8600gt $140 .....

    Just a thought
     
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    Cant fit a new mb into the case. Its all custom made, and there is no way I will be allowed to replace the whole unit :p.

    Can get a 7600GT for like $150 tho :).
     
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    the AIW cards do have ViVo afaik, and the ATI tv tuners are really good imo, so i`d take the X800 road..
     
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    Im leaning towards the X800 road..the only thing holding me back is the dang shader model. Is the HDTV encoding on DX10 anything special? Or should I just toss out that option?

    BTW - its an X800SE AIW, not X800GT.
     
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    I would go 2600, myself. Full offloading of HD content, HDMI with Audio, and SM4.
     
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    My vote goes for the 7600GT, or the ATI 2600xt one if you have the extra money (Features wise, its a lot better)

    Edit:

    "200W PSU, 10A on the 12V rail." - i'd look at an upgrade, as even the weaker cards listed will want 16A or so.
     
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    X800XT PE would be the most power hungry of all, and that ran problem free for a year (thats why I dont think power is an issue).

    What so special about the offloading of HD content? :confused:. Also, dont need HDMI as my TV doesnt have a HDMI port, its DVi all the way :).
     
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    The cpu doing less work means more cpu to use for you to do stuff simultaneously. Also, with the HDMI, you can buy a cable that separates it into DVI and digital audio.
     
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    Ahhh, didnt think of the digital audio.

    Lol, what would I be doing with the CPU if im watching a movie though :p?
     
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    Ummm, downloading porn?
     
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    Heh, thats what my comp is for :p.

    Remember, its gonna be a media comp, so if im downloading porn and something accidently happens and it opens, in front of my whole family....:roll:
     
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    x1950xt AGP :)
     
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    Only four problems:

    Too expensive
    Wont fit into the case
    Waay too hot
    Waay too much power

    Other than that, I dont see why not :D.
     
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    lol. Yeah, that would be bad. Please disregard previous porn comment. :roll:

    I do all kinds of stuff in the background while watching movies. From maintenance tasks like defragging and virus scans, to running f@h, to encoding videos.
     
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    What GPU will perform better on a bigger screen?
     
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    x1900gt or 1950gt can be had for fairly cheap.
     
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    Wont fit into the case :p. With one of them, ill probably need a new PSU as well.
     
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    The GT or Pro will not fit in your case?

    Those cards you listed are about the same size/
     
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    Arent they the same PCB?

    Its a pretty small case; the ATI silencer JUST fit (and by just, I mean i had to bend the case out a bit to fit it :p).

    The replacement X800XL I got just wont fit into the case at all, and im pretty sure ive tried to put a 6800GT in there, but it wouldnt fit.
     
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    I'd go with the 7600GT, or if you have the money to burn, the 2600XT.

    I've played Oblivion on my 720p HDTV at medium and go perfectly smooth frame rates (it looked great btw) with my 7600GT (OC'd to 620/1.66). It's a great little card for the money (well it is now, it wasn't when I first bought it -_-)

    Over here atleast the 2600XT (DDR4 version) is only £20 more expensive than the 7600GT but performs as well as an 8600GTS, so I guess it's up to how much you have to spend, and prices where you are.
     
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    2600XT, its performance wont be any worse than the 7600GT (probably more on par with a X800XT) and its the most futureproof.
     
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    I would go with the X1950pro OR the X2600Xt because you said that you play HD movies. Both of these with do HDCP and play HD movies very well.

    The 50 in the ATi name means that it will play HDCP HD Movies.
     
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    I'll give you guys some prices, might make it easier :). (BTW DaMulta, X1950GT AGP would be first choice if it fit, lol).

    X800 SE AIW (PAL tuner) - $140
    X800XT AIW (PAL tuner) - $210
    7600GT - $155
    HD2600XT (PCIe, NOT AGP. From what ive seen AGP (when released) will probably be $50-100 more) - $165

    All 256mb GDDR3.
     
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