# Super Desktop, Inferior Game Running :(

#### JrRacinFan

##### Served 5k and counting ...
Ahhh, ok. Well i tried!

#### LonGun

##### New Member
This happened to me before. So I went and removed all the RAM sticks and use only 1 at a time (also try install it in different slot on MB) and retried the game. Found out my 3rd RAM stick is a bad one. If you haven't tried that, go for it.

#### mrhuggles

re: picking out a motherboard, I'd go with whatever mussles says is the best you can get for the money you have. heh.

and here is a repast of the post i made, if you have any trouble understanding any of it please be spesific. it seems easy enough for me to understand
note: process explorer is a program called "process explorer" and by view i mean go to the view drop down menu dealy.

get process explorer, and load it

view, select columns, process performance tab, check CPU History.

view, check show new processes

let this run for a while, while your playing things, watch for it to slow down then get outa the game and look in it, in the little graphs, these graphs to the right of each process show each processes cpu useage history, im hopeing you can figure out what to do from here

#### Niv

##### New Member
LonGun, I only have 2 RAM sticks, sorry I should have changed it but I forgot, I have 4GB ram from 2x 2GB RAM sticks

mrhuggles, it's all clear now thanks . I'll go test this out with my laptop, since my desktop is away on vacation break.

#### mrhuggles

i hope that works out for you man, if nothing else its a very handy thing to be able to do yay

#### Niv

##### New Member
k newest update from the shopkeeper. He's solved the problem, apparently my CPU is "too new" and that was the sources of the problem. He's replaced it with a much lower one, and now everything works. I will be picking up the machine tomorrow to confirm this. I will see how the machine works then decide if I want some other upgrade or not.

#### Luke

it probably only needed a bios update

#### mrhuggles

dude thats the most discusting thing ive heard in years it sounds like you just got ripped off.

#### hat

##### Enthusiast
k newest update from the shopkeeper. He's solved the problem, apparently my CPU is "too new" and that was the sources of the problem. He's replaced it with a much lower one, and now everything works. I will be picking up the machine tomorrow to confirm this. I will see how the machine works then decide if I want some other upgrade or not.
You totally got ripped off. Get your old cpu back and do a BIOS update.

#### Luke

nearly as bad as my brothers pc
the shop keeper wired the front usb ports wrong and it fried his usb drive
and he ripped him off in every way as well

but yeah get your cpu back and do a bios update because you got ripped

#### ChromeDome

##### New Member
k newest update from the shopkeeper. He's solved the problem, apparently my CPU is "too new" and that was the sources of the problem. He's replaced it with a much lower one, and now everything works. I will be picking up the machine tomorrow to confirm this. I will see how the machine works then decide if I want some other upgrade or not.
this "shopkeeper" sounds like a dolt. i'm sure he is a nice fellow, but....

how much did you pay for you original machine and how much are you paying for this next one?

a 6400+ "too new." mainstream desktop dual core technology doesn't get much older! at least for us end users.

a "much lower" chip? this makes me anxious for you

post your exact specs plz. of the new machine, i mean

should have bought a Dell

#### Niv

##### New Member
T_T, I'm so exploited... well here's the invoice from the new desktop:

AMD AM2 4800+ x2 2.5GHz CPU
ASUS M2NVM-DVI Motherboard
Transcend 2GB x2 Memory
Seagate 80G Sata 7200rpm HDD
14" 450w Tower Case
EVGA 8600GT 512M DDR3 Video Card
Samsung 19" 920WM LCD Monitor
total 790 CDN

#### Niv

##### New Member
extra note... I kinda hope that you guys would have told me this earlier. I've just got my machine back... unless this is something extremely bad or unless you guys are absolutely sure that this is a BIOS problem... I don't think I'll be traveling an extra 3km to the shop through bus for this... so far the machine seems to be working.

#### hat

##### Enthusiast
you got a 700 megaHURTS ripoff
even if the origional pc was bad they should replace it with identical hardware free of charge, or else it's ripoff

#### Niv

##### New Member
oh for those of you who wants to do a comparison between the old stat and the new stat, I leave my old stat on my specs. the total value I paid for the old one is 830 CDN. Tell me what you thinks thnks.

#### Niv

0_0 I think there's a mis-understanding. I didn't pay the $790. I got$60 back from my CPU down grade. the $790 is the current valuce of my desktop according to the shopkeeper. #### hat ##### Enthusiast oh ok then. Overclock the current cpu to 3.2GHz #### Niv ##### New Member o_0 won't the blow the CPU? ... and how do you do that? <_< >_> #### dark2099 I had that same CPU at 3.125ghz OCed, probably had more in it, just didn't know too much about overclocking, usually done through the BIOS. There is a guide on here and we can surely help. The only thing about overclocking is eventually you have to increase the voltage for the CPU which generates more heat, and since you probably have a stock heatsink on the CPU, going to far would be bad. #### Niv ##### New Member I'll think of over clocking after I hear more opinions on people about how justified my current desktop is comparing to the price. I'm thinking seriously about whether to return the mother board, CPU and Video card or not. Hesitating right now because I'm not sure how I'll be able to benefit from this. After that consideration I'll then have to talk to the shopkeeper to see if he'll let me return those parts for whatever reasons I can think up of. #### Mussels ##### Moderprator Staff member you could return it and get a faster, more reliable PC for the money. the PSU you mention sounds like it came with the case, which is a massive screaming no-no in the PC world... thats like trying to feed people microwaved food in a restaurant - the quality difference is massive, and it may well kill people. #### Niv ##### New Member mussels, I don't understand. Is there something wrong with my case also? Can someone gimme a list of things which they believe I should return followed by a list of what I should get myself from on-line stores? Why is the PSU bad? #### mrhuggles new cpu and motherboard, as far as psus i suggest a seasonic or one based on a seasonic like mine, well mine is a bit expensive for what you get... but its not bad for sure. but u could get a real seasonic for cheaper. [i got mine cuz i was impacient and at the time its what was there] (yes i do realize i cant spell impacient) *or spell spell* heh #### ChromeDome ##### New Member I'll think of over clocking after I hear more opinions on people about how justified my current desktop is comparing to the price. I'm thinking seriously about whether to return the mother board, CPU and Video card or not. Hesitating right now because I'm not sure how I'll be able to benefit from this. After that consideration I'll then have to talk to the shopkeeper to see if he'll let me return those parts for whatever reasons I can think up verof. that would be a good place to start. a return, i mean. this is somehow sad because i hate to think you're a real person perhaps not being taken advantage of maliciously, but being taken advantage of nonetheless. for whatever reason. you paid$776 American, if i got the exchange rate correct? and i think i did. that is a ridiculous amount for what you got. now the shopkeeper has to consider his labor and time put in....so you are paying for that, too. fair enough. but this computer isn't worth a "custom" build at this point. quite honestly, this is something you build for well under $500 on an inexpensive mobo and budget parts. its not really something to pay someone else to do for you. and if you do they should do a little better job picking parts for you. the 6400+ was a fine processor that while old tech would have done well for you now and sometime into the future. it gives decent raw performance. the 4800+, a lot less so. now around here you'll read a lot about overclocking and what not, but even overclocked this processor is not a good value for you. the video card is decent for what it is, and lousy for what it isn't. the HD is painfully small, the mobo sturdy but budget. basically you paid someone to build an underpowered and outdated computer for you. now....i'm not saying it won't do what you want it to (like play those less demanding games) and won't give you adequate desktop performance. its not a terrible piece of junk. but try doing some things with it other then basic gaming / computing / internet tasks and while it won't chug or fail, things take somewhat longer to get done compared to more powerful mainstream computers these days. and its not upgradable. you already had AMD's most powerful dual core in there with the 6400+. and for the amount you paid the "shopkeeper" should have at least given you a lower end 8800 or 9600 series card. it would make a big difference to you and its the right thing to do for the money spent. computers are about speed and power, sure. but they are just as much about price and value and getting all you can for as little$ as you possibly can. even if you have the money to blow, its like an art form. get all you can out of it without putting more (ie money) into it. and if you put a lot in, get the most you can out. people on this board choose carefully over their parts at whatever price point they are at. you should, too. in the future. and come to places like this and pay attention BEFORE you buy. could save you some headaches.

these days unless you are building your own, or have the money to blow getting a custom rig done that is somewhat beyond your build skill, i say buy a box. you don't sound as if you'll be overclocking soon, and even if so thats not really the processor to do it with these days. you have little or no upgrade path with this computer. at least with a box maker value and speed often come with the territory these days. if not overclocking or a HIGH performance junkie who likes to tweak, modify, etc (like many here) a pre built is a sound choice for a newbie.

for around $20 or$30 more then you paid in Canada i can get a pre built box here in the States with an Intel E8300, 320 gig HD, same vid card, bluetooth, wireless internet, same amount of RAM, same size monitor, etc. one year warranty, on site service, tech support, etc. and yes, that is a substantially better machine in a couple of very important areas. i'm not sure what availability and prices are like in Canada, but i doubt many pay upwards of $800 for the computer you bought. at least i hope not anyway just try to get all your money back if you can. return it, maybe? if not be happy with it for now and what it does for you. until you aren't happy any more. in the future drop a better vid card in, maybe. will make a big difference depending on what you're doing with it. this post is kind of long and i hope i haven't stated anything too strongly or made you feel bad somehow about your purchase or your computer. but i have a story like this (about a couple of things not just a computer lol) just like some others on the board when we were first getting to know things about this stuff. it made me feel kinda dumb, so i figured i should know a little more about it. guess you could say i got hooked so welcome to the world of computers, building, and hardware. its fun once you get the hang of it #### Niv ##### New Member no don't worry about offending me. I doubt that any of you here is doing so on purpose. Well even if you are I don't think I'd be able to catch it all that easilly anyway. lol k from what I can understand right now from the suggestions so far. I should return my computer for as much as possible ESPECIALLY the CPU and the mother board. I will try my best to see how much of a roll back I can do with my eloquence (while lacking the computer knowledge I still know at least how to reason my way getting my money back). I will try and get this process started today, Friday. If there's one thing that I beneficially lack, it's a feeling of embarassment. I will try whatever it takes to make sure that this whole fiascal doesn't end the way it is right now, a fiascal. This will probably make you guys even more angry, but the$790 price is infact without TAX. Essentially what happened is, if I pay for the whole desktop + monitor in cash (which I did with many $100 and$20 bills) I don't have to pay the tax part. Meaning, if I didn't do that the whole thing would cost at least $850 easilly. He infact told me that this is a "new and top end desktop". In fact the only reason I was ever interested in purchasing the desktop in the first place was for the brand new CPU which he upgraded free of charge. But since that's not the case anymore (with the crappy CPU), my favour has dropped significantly. Thus, I digress no further, I will try and see how much of the desktop I can return. The most interesting suggestion I have atm is to just buy an entirely new "Box" which I take as in a pre-made ready-to-be-taken-home desktop. I've orginally thought of this, but seeing the prices that these stores are chargin; ranging from$800~900 CDN, I have trouble telling which desktop is infact superior and better. My original desktop purchase plan was this, get a desktop that's mediocre in every aspect (but upgradable later) except the top end Mobo, CPU and video card. (The reason my desktop in the end ended with only the CPU being better is because 1, I was told that the Mobo isn't important at all with desktop performance and 2, my video card is already near the top end) Infact when I first purchased the desktop, it was without hard drive, without dvd-drive for I have these parts pre-purchased as external wares currently in-use wth my laptop.

I thank PsychoTronn for telling me that many parts on this desktop are not upgradable (for reasons I do not know but I trust your opinion), for this defeates my first priority purchasing a desktop. If this desktop is dead the way it is (and the fact that it'll make me unhappy untill it finally breaks), I believe also that I'm better off getting a new one or at least get as much improvements with the current one as possible.

All those been said, I have been suggested Video cards which I can change with. Can anyone also add in the mother board and the CPU model which I can purchase change with? It would be best if I can get the price of the suggested hardwares along with the on-line sites that sells them reliablely.

Mr. Huggles, what is a seasonic? And why is PSU important and how is mine bad?

I'm here not for words that comfort me of my bad purchasing decisions and poor computer knowledge; I am here, for brilliant advices from experts like you and for learning "the world of computers, building, and hardware", hoping that one day, I will enjoy the fun, once I get the hang of it.

keep the suggestions flowing, I check the forum every 6 hours if not sooner.