System crashes when using XMP profiles/Vendor Approved RAM profiles (CL16 3200); only stable at stock speeds (2133)

[thesmokingman]

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First I don't think those are B-dies. B-dies at 3200mhz run at C14, and have this model number. CMW32GX4M4C3200C14

Were they sold to you as B-dies?

C16

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C14

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As others have said, raising the DDR voltage to 1.4v is not a big deal.

As for the bios update, I would definitely update as it brings better ram compatibility.

 

[sneekypeet]

Not all b-die are the same. You can have low end that cannot run great timings with the voltage offered, and you can range from that all the way to b-die that add 400 to 500mhz without a voltage change.

 

[thesmokingman]

Not all b-die are the same. You can have low end that cannot run great timings with the voltage offered, and you can range from that all the way to b-die that add 400 to 500mhz without a voltage change.

Yea, back then ppl were throwing the B-die name at everything, but that doesn't make it the real deal. When we refer to B-dies I think we're implying the good stuff.

 

[sneekypeet]

Yea, back then ppl were throwing the B-die name at everything, but that doesn't make it the real deal. When we refer to B-dies I think we're implying the good stuff.

I feel like people hear b-die and assume miracles.

 

[Grog6]

... you can range from that all the way to b-die that add 400 to 500mhz without a voltage change.

That is the nature of the beast; if it was easy, they'd call it the better number.

There's a difference even on die from adjacent spots on the same wafer.

That's the basis of the " Overclocking lottery"; we, as spec rapists, depend on the fact that dies are tested to MINIMUM specs; if they test to maximums, then the lottery doesn't exist.

We are seeing with Intel that they are testing to the maximum side, because they are stuck for performance against AMD.

We will not see overclocks in the future as we have depended on in the past, as the manfacturers are testing to the high side, not the minimum side.

Next, we will see CPUs sold with a unique Vcc voltage, just to meet advertised specs.

 

[sneekypeet]

But to me, if you want the good stuff, you buy the lowest straight timing kit of whatever speed you pick. At least then you have a chance for a miracle instead of trying to force a set to match other "b-die."

My gut said something odd was at play here, and the kit should just work enabling docp. I am interested to see how the OP gets on after opting for the newer bios files.

 

[thesmokingman]

I got two sets of these last month, relatively cheap at 150 ea. and was able to avoid the Neo crap dimms. And these dropped right into mah 3900x w/o a hiccup. Real deal b-dies. Back story I had the C16 Tridents on my 7820x. Used the C16s for a while but handed down the 7820x to my kid and needed ram.

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[sneekypeet]

I got two sets of these last month, relatively cheap at 150 ea. and was able to avoid the Neo crap dimms. And these dropped right into mah 3900x w/o a hiccup. Real deal b-dies.

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With those specs, I'd throw my money at em and hope for miracles.

 

[thesmokingman]

With those specs, I'd throw my money at em and hope for miracles.

They won't do C14, that I've tried. But considering how fast they are, I didn't try too hard.

 

[Zach_01]

Apparently not all b-dies are created equally...
I have these:

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3466 CL16 Memory

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Required 1.45V (DRAM) and 1.2V (CPU SOC) to do so...
R5 3600

 

[PLSG08]

Well so far it looks like the system is pretty stable @1.4V 3200. I kinda wanna push it to 3600 but I'm not really sure where to start now haha. At least nothing is crashing anymore and there's no more bsods

 

[Voluman]

My xmp profile (3200 cl14) didnt work for me with r7 2700, but with 200ge yes. I have to bump cpu soc with +0,1v (actually 1,2v). Ram stayed at 1.35v

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Well so far it looks like the system is pretty stable @1.4V 3200. I kinda wanna push it to 3600 but I'm not really sure where to start now haha. At least nothing is crashing anymore and there's no more bsods

15-17-17 sticks??? 1.35v @ 1.4v? Running 1T... guessing here....^

Would try Cas 16-17-17-35 with 2T command rate, bump memory voltage to 1.45-1.50v and see if they go a little faster.

Found my sig rig to run rather nice at 1530mhz Cas 14-15-15-35-72 2T 1.400v. Will do same speed Cas 13-14-14-32-72 2T @ 1.45v.
Not the best memory and not the best IMCs on the Ryzen 2000 chips we have here. But can make do where needed.

 

[tabascosauz]

15-17-17 sticks??? 1.35v @ 1.4v? Running 1T... guessing here....^

Would try Cas 16-17-17-35 with 2T command rate, bump memory voltage to 1.45-1.50v and see if they go a little faster.

Found my sig rig to run rather nice at 1530mhz Cas 14-15-15-35-72 2T 1.400v. Will do same speed Cas 13-14-14-32-72 2T @ 1.45v.
Not the best memory and not the best IMCs on the Ryzen 2000 chips we have here. But can make do where needed.

I guess you got real lucky somewhere, because Ryzen has never liked odd timings one bit.

As to OP, most B-die kits are pretty good, hence the reputation - but there are a small number of kits from different vendors that seem to be home to the "special" DRAM that couldn't quite make it to "good". The B-die everyone loves generally are the 3200C14 or 3600C16 kits, but there do exist 3200C16 and 3600C18 B-die kits, and not just one or two of them. G.Skill only has one or two of those SKUs, but Corsair seems to have a lot of them.

I'm guessing that the advertised XMP timings on those kits are a clear sign that something could be up with the DRAM, otherwise they would have either been at 3200C14 or used cheaper non-B-die DRAM. I'm surprised that it's taking 1.4V just to hit 3200 @ 16. My D-die (complete and utter garbage in comparison to CJR, B- and E-die) does its XMP with flatter timings at 3200 @ 16 1.35V, but that's on Matisse. Might be a sign that the IMC side, instead of the RAM, is weak on your chip.

Seeing as ASRock explicitly warns against using latest BIOS with Pinnacle and yours is a Pinnacle chip, this really doesn't have anything to do with being ballsy, and you just really shouldn't flash it. Mobo vendors don't tend to write any more than they have to in description of new BIOSes, so when they do actually put in a red or yellow warning statement, it's best to take heed.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I guess you got real lucky somewhere, because Ryzen has never liked odd timings one bit.

It takes a small bump in voltage, and I'm using Hynix. Maybe the Hynix fairs well with odd Cas latency?
Either way, I hardly consider 1.4v to be a major step to overclocking Memory and looking for high frequency.

Edit: OP rig states he's using a 2600 and does have a weaker IMC than the 3000 series chips, just in case you didn't catch that.

 

[sneekypeet]

I personally have no issues running odd timings on Ryzen.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I personally have no issues running odd timings on Ryzen.

Swap my Hynix for Samsung and Run Cas 12-15-15-32 @ 3000mhz instead

 

[PLSG08]

15-17-17 sticks??? 1.35v @ 1.4v? Running 1T... guessing here....^

Would try Cas 16-17-17-35 with 2T command rate, bump memory voltage to 1.45-1.50v and see if they go a little faster.

Found my sig rig to run rather nice at 1530mhz Cas 14-15-15-35-72 2T 1.400v. Will do same speed Cas 13-14-14-32-72 2T @ 1.45v.
Not the best memory and not the best IMCs on the Ryzen 2000 chips we have here. But can make do where needed.

Yup accordign to the bios its on 1T. I don't have to touch anything else right? just those 4 important timings? and leave everything else to auto?

I'm guessing that the advertised XMP timings on those kits are a clear sign that something could be up with the DRAM, otherwise they would have either been at 3200C14 or used cheaper non-B-die DRAM. I'm surprised that it's taking 1.4V just to hit 3200 @ 16. My D-die (complete and utter garbage in comparison to CJR, B- and E-die) does its XMP with flatter timings at 3200 @ 16 1.35V, but that's on Matisse. Might be a sign that the IMC side, instead of the RAM, is weak on your chip.

Yea the kit is advertised as a C16 3200 kit.

I'll try playing around the timings and see if I can get it to 3600. Guess there's a first time for everything haha

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Yep main set most important.
Memory voltage matters. Remember you had to bump volts just to reach 3200 which only calls for 1.35v. So at 3600mhz, you may need as much as 1.6v. give or take.
edit: put a fan on the ram.

 

[PLSG08]

So a quick update. It boots to windows @3400mhz Cas 16-17-17-35 with 2T command rate 1.4v, but is unstable like it was @3200mhz 1.35

and Bios won't let me go higher than 1.4V. Kinda sucks but oh well its better than 2133 at least. Anytime I try to manually input 1.45 or press the plus button it just stops me at 1.4V

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Ram voltage limited? Yea, that kinda takes the fun away from it.

Bios is up to date?

 

[PLSG08]

Yup. I'm on 2.70 now. Won't let me push past it.

 

[Chomiq]

You could always try DRAM Calculator to get alternative timings for 3200 and voltages. It should run with stock XMP but Corsair kits had compatibility issues with Ryzen/+.

 

[eidairaman1]

You could always try DRAM Calculator to get alternative timings for 3200 and voltages. It should run with stock XMP but Corsair kits had compatibility issues with Ryzen/+.

Corsair in particular Id check the qvl for.

 

[Chomiq]

Now that I check the OP specs I seem to recall reading about Vengeance RGB kits being fiddly when it come to Ryzen, which was resolved with Vengeance RGB Pro SKU.