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[TechSpot] China declares all cryptocurrency transactions illegal, Bitcoin price plummets

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The interesting thing is that you dont even need to buy a second hand gpu, reason the new gpus are expensive is because second hand market is also expensive, meaning, as soon as the second hand crashes hard, retail will also crash hard, so you will buy a new gpu below msrp.


not to mention AMD will go max to probably $699 or $749 (msrp reference card) for their next gen 7800 XT gpu. and the markets will be stable when that comes out.
 
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not to mention AMD will go max to probably $699 or $749 for their next gen 7800 XT gpu. and the markets will be stable when that comes out.

The way things are I will likely skip these 8nm gpus and jump on the 5nm gpus. I do have 2 3080, one used for deep learning and the other for gaming. Those new 5nm gpus willl be very cheap compared to how things are right now, around 600 usd for a rtx 4080 I believe and as crypto will have crashed to hehell, all rtx 4080 will be free lhr hehe
 
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It is ironic that china was the country with the most mining activity, though.
It isn't anymore.

They are just reiterating the same statements they always do. It seems they like to do this regularly, despite nothing really changing, to crash the price.

Sweet, waiting for cheap used Ampere GPU flooding the market any moment now.....
This is all lip service. No real long term change expected. The miners all fled China earlier this year.

Why do we need another thread if we have one for Crypto Market Trend discussion?
For more drama.

I state this for the people who are going to claim this is old news being rehashed. This is a preemptive STHU!
It IS old news being rehashed... by China. That said, the impacts are real.

This is even in your articles if you read them.

This time is more focused on exchange and exchanging platforms
That's always been what it was... lol.
 

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It isn't anymore.

They are just reiterating the same statements they always do. It seems they like to do this regularly, despite nothing really changing, to crash the price.


This is all lip service. No real long term change expected. The miners all fled China earlier this year.


For more drama.

The Democrats of USA, Canada, and Europe will never be able to live this one down either. ;) China will always have a an excuse from now on when it comes to climate change talks at the table. :) Either way it is a win win for China, and the left wing has truly shown it's colors by not following China's lead on this one. Corruption will destroy the West (already is as we can see here), and China is laughing all along the way and still playing the long term game. I feel bad for the younger generations, its going to be a China superpower world in less than 20 years. Corruption = ineptness + no honor which in turn = eventual collapse.
 
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Either way it is a win win for China
By banning trading but still allowing mining?

That's the ban that's being rehashed. Granted it has the same impact (why mine if you cannot sell?), but the way it's done is for control, not the environment. Their priorities are clear and have been since the initial statement from the central bank in 2013.

Sorry, but we have a thread for this we don't need a second. See you there if you want to discuss without added drama.
 
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The interesting thing is that you dont even need to buy a second hand gpu, reason the new gpus are expensive is because second hand market is also expensive, meaning, as soon as the second hand crashes hard, retail will also crash hard, so you will buy a new gpu below msrp.
We can hope...

It IS old news being rehashed... by China. That said, the impacts are real.

This is even in your articles if you read them.
I did. Maybe you missed something?
By banning trading but still allowing mining?
No, mining is banned also.
 
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Maybe you missed something?
I'm very doubtful.

No, mining is banned also.
I'm going to need a citation there. Even your reuters article only says this:

China’s central People’s Bank of China (PBOC) said it was illegal to facilitate cryptocurrency trading and that it planned to severely punish anyone doing so, including those working for overseas platforms from within China.

Which is in line with the translated pdf from the www.boc.cn website I am referencing. (Homepage for China's central bank).

The only possibly new thing here is two departments saying they will work together to enforce existing law.
 
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I'm going to need a citation there.
How about the opening paragraph?
China's most powerful regulators on Friday intensified a crackdown on cryptocurrencies with a blanket ban on all crypto transactions and mining
ReutersCryptoBan.jpg

I'm very doubtful.
I'm very certain you missed a few things as demonstrated above.
 

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How about the opening paragraph?
I'd advise going to the horses mouth.

For those not interested in dealing with weird central bank website, and wanting the original text of the 2013 ruling to translate themselves, here it is:

中国人民银行等五部委发布《关于防范比特币风险的通知》

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为保护社会公众的财产权益,保障人民币的法定货币地位,防范洗钱风险,维护金融稳定,中国人民银行、工业和信息化部、中国银行业监督管理委员会、中国证券监督管理委员会、中国保险监督管理委员会日前联合印发了《中国人民银行 工业和信息化部 中国银行业监督管理委员会 中国证券监督管理委员会 中国保险监督管理委员会关于防范比特币风险的通知》(银发〔2013〕289号,以下简称“《通知》”)。

《通知》明确了比特币的性质,认为比特币不是由货币当局发行,不具有法偿性与强制性等货币属性,并不是真正意义的货币。从性质上看,比特币是一种特定的虚拟商品,不具有与货币等同的法律地位,不能且不应作为货币在市场上流通使用。但是,比特币交易作为一种互联网上的商品买卖行为,普通民众在自担风险的前提下拥有参与的自由。

《通知》要求,现阶段,各金融机构和支付机构不得以比特币为产品或服务定价,不得买卖或作为中央对手买卖比特币,不得承保与比特币相关的保险业务或将比特币纳入保险责任范围,不得直接或间接为客户提供其他与比特币相关的服务,包括:为客户提供比特币登记、交易、清算、结算等服务;接受比特币或以比特币作为支付结算工具;开展比特币与人民币及外币的兑换服务;开展比特币的储存、托管、抵押等业务;发行与比特币相关的金融产品;将比特币作为信托、基金等投资的投资标的等。

《通知》规定,作为比特币主要交易平台的比特币互联网站,应当根据《中华人民共和国电信条例》和《互联网信息服务管理办法》的规定,依法在电信管理机构备案。同时,针对比特币具有较高的洗钱风险和被犯罪分子利用的风险,《通知》要求相关机构按照《中华人民共和国反洗钱法》的要求,切实履行客户身份识别、可疑交易报告等法定反洗钱义务,切实防范与比特币相关的洗钱风险。

为了避免因比特币等虚拟商品借“虚拟货币”之名过度炒作,损害公众利益和人民币的法定货币地位,《通知》要求金融机构、支付机构在日常工作中应当正确使用货币概念,注重加强对社会公众货币知识的教育,将正确认识货币、正确看待虚拟商品和虚拟货币、理性投资、合理控制投资风险、维护自身财产安全等观念纳入金融知识普及活动的内容,引导公众树立正确的货币观念和投资理念。

今后,人民银行将基于自身职责,继续密切关注比特币的动向和相关风险。(完)

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关于防范比特币风险的通知

近期,一种通过特定计算机程序计算出来的所谓“比特币”(Bitcoin)在国际上引起了广泛关注,国内也有一些机构和个人借机炒作比特币及与比特币相关的产品。为保护社会公众的财产权益,保障人民币的法定货币地位,防范洗钱风险,维护金融稳定,依据《中华人民共和国中国人民银行法》、《中华人民共和国反洗钱法》、《中华人民共和国商业银行法》、《中华人民共和国电信条例》等有关法律法规,现将有关事项通知如下:

一、正确认识比特币的属性

比特币具有没有集中发行方、总量有限、使用不受地域限制和匿名性等四个主要特点。虽然比特币被称为“货币”,但由于其不是由货币当局发行,不具有法偿性与强制性等货币属性,并不是真正意义的货币。从性质上看,比特币应当是一种特定的虚拟商品,不具有与货币等同的法律地位,不能且不应作为货币在市场上流通使用。

二、各金融机构和支付机构不得开展与比特币相关的业务

现阶段,各金融机构和支付机构不得以比特币为产品或服务定价,不得买卖或作为中央对手买卖比特币,不得承保与比特币相关的保险业务或将比特币纳入保险责任范围,不得直接或间接为客户提供其他与比特币相关的服务,包括:为客户提供比特币登记、交易、清算、结算等服务;接受比特币或以比特币作为支付结算工具;开展比特币与人民币及外币的兑换服务;开展比特币的储存、托管、抵押等业务;发行与比特币相关的金融产品;将比特币作为信托、基金等投资的投资标的等。

三、加强对比特币互联网站的管理

依据《中华人民共和国电信条例》和《互联网信息服务管理办法》,提供比特币登记、交易等服务的互联网站应当在电信管理机构备案。

电信管理机构根据相关管理部门的认定和处罚意见,依法对违法比特币互联网站予以关闭。

四、防范比特币可能产生的洗钱风险

中国人民银行各分支机构应当密切关注比特币及其他类似的具有匿名、跨境流通便利等特征的虚拟商品的动向及态势,认真研判洗钱风险,研究制定有针对性的防范措施。各分支机构应当将在辖区内依法设立并提供比特币登记、交易等服务的机构纳入反洗钱监管,督促其加强反洗钱监测。

提供比特币登记、交易等服务的互联网站应切实履行反洗钱义务,对用户身份进行识别,要求用户使用实名注册,登记姓名、身份证号码等信息。各金融机构、支付机构以及提供比特币登记、交易等服务的互联网站如发现与比特币及其他虚拟商品相关的可疑交易,应当立即向中国反洗钱监测分析中心报告,并配合中国人民银行的反洗钱调查活动;对于发现使用比特币进行诈骗、赌博、洗钱等犯罪活动线索的,应及时向公安机关报案。

五、加强对社会公众货币知识的教育及投资风险提示

各部门和金融机构、支付机构在日常工作中应当正确使用货币概念,注重加强对社会公众货币知识的教育,将正确认识货币、正确看待虚拟商品和虚拟货币、理性投资、合理控制投资风险、维护自身财产安全等观念纳入金融知识普及活动的内容,引导社会公众树立正确的货币观念和投资理念。

各金融监管机构可以根据本通知制定相关实施细则。

请中国人民银行上海总部,各分行、营业管理部、省会(首府)城市中心支行将本通知转发至辖区内各地方性金融机构和支付机构。本通知执行过程中发现的新情况、新问题,请及时向中国人民银行报告。

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If anyone can find a more up to date version stating something actually new, post it.

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Five ministries and commissions including the People's Bank of China issued the "Notice on Preventing Bitcoin Risks"

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In order to protect the public’s property rights and interests, protect the RMB’s legal currency status, prevent money laundering risks, and maintain financial stability, the People’s Bank of China, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, China Banking Regulatory Commission, China Securities Regulatory Commission, and China Insurance Regulatory Commission The committee recently jointly issued the "Notice of the People's Bank of China, Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, China Banking Regulatory Commission, China Securities Regulatory Commission, and China Insurance Regulatory Commission on Preventing Bitcoin Risks" (Yinfa [2013] No. 289, hereinafter referred to as "" notify"").

The "Notice" clarified the nature of Bitcoin, stating that Bitcoin is not issued by the monetary authority, has no monetary properties such as legal compensation and compulsion, and is not a currency in its true sense. In terms of nature, Bitcoin is a specific virtual commodity, which does not have the same legal status as currency, and cannot and should not be used as currency in the market. However, Bitcoin trading is a kind of commodity buying and selling behavior on the Internet, and ordinary people have the freedom to participate under the premise of their own risk.

The "Notice" requires that at this stage, financial institutions and payment institutions shall not use bitcoin as a price for products or services, shall not buy or sell bitcoins as a central counterparty, shall not underwrite insurance business related to bitcoins or include bitcoins in insurance liabilities Scope, it is not allowed to directly or indirectly provide customers with other services related to bitcoin, including: providing customers with bitcoin registration, trading, clearing, settlement and other services; accepting bitcoin or using bitcoin as a payment and settlement tool; developing bitcoin and Renminbi and foreign currency exchange services; carry out bitcoin storage, custody, mortgage and other businesses; issue bitcoin-related financial products; use bitcoin as the investment target of trusts, funds, etc.

The "Notice" stipulates that the Bitcoin Internet site, which is the main Bitcoin trading platform, should be filed with the telecommunications management agency in accordance with the provisions of the "People's Republic of China Telecommunications Regulations" and the "Internet Information Service Management Measures". At the same time, in view of the high money laundering risk of Bitcoin and the risk of being exploited by criminals, the "Notice" requires relevant institutions to effectively perform statutory anti-money laundering such as customer identification and suspicious transaction reports in accordance with the requirements of the Anti-Money Laundering Law of the People's Republic of China. Obligations to effectively prevent money laundering risks related to Bitcoin.

In order to avoid excessive speculation of virtual commodities such as Bitcoin in the name of “virtual currency”, which will damage the public interest and the status of RMB as legal tender, the “Notice” requires financial institutions and payment institutions to correctly use the concept of currency in their daily work, focusing on strengthening the The education of the social public currency knowledge includes the concepts of correct understanding of currency, correct view of virtual goods and virtual currency, rational investment, reasonable control of investment risks, and maintenance of their own property security into the content of financial knowledge popularization activities, and guide the public to establish correct currency concepts and concepts. Investment concept.

In the future, the People's Bank of China will continue to pay close attention to Bitcoin's trends and related risks based on its own responsibilities. (over)

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China Securities Regulatory Commission China Insurance Regulatory Commission

Notice on preventing Bitcoin risks

Recently, a so-called "Bitcoin" calculated by a specific computer program has attracted widespread attention internationally. There are also some domestic institutions and individuals taking the opportunity to hype Bitcoin and Bitcoin-related products. In order to protect the property rights of the public, protect the legal currency status of the renminbi, prevent money laundering risks, and maintain financial stability, in accordance with the "People's Bank of China Law", "The People's Republic of China Anti-Money Laundering Law", and "The Commercial Bank Law of the People's Republic of China" ”, “People’s Republic of China Telecommunications Regulations” and other relevant laws and regulations, the relevant matters are hereby notified as follows:

1. Correctly understand the attributes of Bitcoin

Bitcoin has four main characteristics: no centralized issuer, limited total amount, unrestricted use by region, and anonymity. Although Bitcoin is called "currency", because it is not issued by the monetary authority, it has no monetary properties such as legal compensation and compulsion, so it is not a currency in its true sense. In terms of nature, Bitcoin should be a specific virtual commodity, which does not have the same legal status as currency, and cannot and should not be used as currency in the market.

2. Financial institutions and payment institutions must not carry out Bitcoin-related businesses

At this stage, financial institutions and payment institutions are not allowed to set prices for products or services in Bitcoin, cannot buy or sell Bitcoin as a central counterparty, cannot underwrite Bitcoin-related insurance business or include Bitcoin in the scope of insurance liability, and cannot directly or Indirectly provide customers with other bitcoin-related services, including: providing customers with bitcoin registration, trading, clearing, settlement and other services; accepting bitcoin or using bitcoin as a payment and settlement tool; conducting bitcoin exchanges with RMB and foreign currencies Services; carry out businesses such as storage, custody, and mortgage of bitcoin; issue bitcoin-related financial products; use bitcoin as the investment target of investment in trusts, funds, etc.

3. Strengthen the management of Bitcoin Internet sites

In accordance with the "Regulations of the People's Republic of China on Telecommunications" and the "Administrative Measures on Internet Information Services", Internet sites that provide services such as bitcoin registration and transactions should be filed with the telecommunications management agency.

The telecommunications management agency shall shut down illegal Bitcoin Internet sites in accordance with the determination and punishment opinions of the relevant management departments.

Fourth, prevent the possible money laundering risk of Bitcoin

The branches of the People's Bank of China should pay close attention to the trends and trends of Bitcoin and other similar virtual commodities with the characteristics of anonymity and cross-border circulation, earnestly study and judge money laundering risks, and study and formulate targeted preventive measures. All branches shall include institutions established in their jurisdictions according to law and provide services such as bitcoin registration and transactions into anti-money laundering supervision, and urge them to strengthen anti-money laundering monitoring.

Internet sites that provide services such as bitcoin registration and transactions should earnestly fulfill their anti-money laundering obligations, identify users, require users to register with real names, and register names, ID numbers and other information. Financial institutions, payment institutions, and Internet sites that provide services such as bitcoin registration and transactions, if they find suspicious transactions related to bitcoin and other virtual goods, they should immediately report to the China Anti-Money Laundering Monitoring and Analysis Center, and cooperate with the People’s Bank of China’s anti-money laundering monitoring and analysis center. Money laundering investigation activities; if you find clues to criminal activities such as fraud, gambling, money laundering, etc., using Bitcoin, you should report the case to the public security organ in time.

5. Strengthen the education of the public currency knowledge and reminder of investment risks

Various departments, financial institutions, and payment institutions should correctly use the concept of currency in their daily work, pay attention to strengthening the education of public currency knowledge, and will correctly understand currency, treat virtual goods and virtual currency correctly, make rational investment, reasonably control investment risks, and maintain Concepts such as the security of one's own property are incorporated into the content of financial knowledge popularization activities to guide the public to establish correct currency concepts and investment concepts.

All financial regulatory agencies may formulate relevant implementation rules based on this notice.

The Shanghai headquarters of the People's Bank of China, all branches, business management departments, and central sub-branches of provincial capitals (capitals) cities are requested to forward this notice to local financial institutions and payment institutions within their jurisdiction. Please report to the People's Bank of China in time for new situations and new problems discovered during the implementation of this notice.

Contact: Zhang Niannian, Tel: 010-66194489

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No thank you, Reuters is MORE than good & trustworthy enough. If you can't accept that, YOU have the problem.
Than the banks own statements? Ok then. That's comical.
EDIT: To avoid confusion, please don't quote me here. Continue in the appropriate existing thread for stuff like this.
 
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Apparently even the Pope and Catholic Church are accepting Etheruem? If I am reading that right, which I probably am not. Pathetic. Dante's Inferno may have a new circle added to it, ROFL
I'd advise going to the horses mouth.

For those not interested in dealing with weird central bank website, and wanting the original text of the 2013 ruling to translate themselves, here it is:



If anyone can find a more up to date version stating something actually new, post it.

In english courtesy google translate:

why are you linking a document from 2013 to refute a headline made in 2021? the end of the document literally has it dated 2013...
 
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why are you linking a document from 2013 to refute a headline made in 2021? the end of the document literally has it dated 2013...
Because that's how old the ruling they keep restating to crash the market is. #notmyfaultpeoplearestupid

See the other thread for a forbes article substantiating this. And then, if anyone finds something newer, please do post it. This is literally ancient news that comes up every 4 years like a bad movie. Do a google news search if you don't believe me.

This one today,

2017,

2013

Probably more. tl;dr you can only ban something once. They never "reallowed it." They just enjoy crashing the market.
 
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Because that's how old the ruling they keep restating is. #notmyfaultpeoplearestupid

See the other thread for a forbes article substantiating this.

well the Pope is on your side. rock on bro.
 
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The miners all fled China earlier this year.
Did they, I mean literally?
well the Pope is on your side. rock on bro.
If they were even remotely serious the likes of Binance would probably go bankrupt overnight!
And that's a big fucking if ~ & of course they're not serious, forget all the histrionics around this :toast:
 
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Did they, I mean literally?
Pretty much, except criminals. You can't sell, why would you stay?

well the Pope is on your side. rock on bro.
Did some reading. He isn't.

The Vatican City never would take this initiative by itself, but this project has been born in order to make things easier to the Vatican and the catholic Church, with a well defined strategy and roadmap, including building a payment system and building a charity fund.

It's a dumb altcoin.
 
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Apparently even the Pope and Catholic Church are accepting Etheruem? If I am reading that right, which I probably am not. Pathetic. Dante's Inferno may have a new circle added to it, ROFL
Seems like a religion-equivalent of fan-made project lol

Also, "the money of God"
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Are you freaking serious? I thought gods need not to issue money :laugh:

For real, though, it's like a fanbase of the Catholic Church decided to make a fan-project to help the Vatican of all things
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So, no, neither the Vatican State nor any of its officials are involved. At least not in a official manner. And considering what this is about, I don't think they would involve themselves with it, much less with the Pope's way of thinking regarding money and related affairs.
 

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Seems like a religion-equivalent of fan-made project lol

Also, "the money of God"
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Are you freaking serious? I thought gods need not to issue money :laugh:

For real, though, it's like a fanbase of the Catholic Church decided to make a fan-project to help the Vatican of all things
View attachment 218115

So, no, neither the Vatican State nor any of its officials are involved. At least not in a official manner. And considering what this is about, I don't think they would involve themselves with it, much less with the Pope's way of thinking regarding money and related affairs.

Nice find mate, it was confusing to me. lol that's good at least.
 
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lol... writing is on the wall.

uh-uh, no it not!
 

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lol... writing is on the wall.

uh-uh, no it not!

No one ever said it was, even in my original post I said the only way crypto will fall is if other first nations follow China's lead and ban the mining and all transactions from all crypto in name of carbon emissions. Apparently you didn't read post 1 though. /shrug

Spoiler: I also said that won't ever happen due to corruption in the western nations.
 
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No one ever said it was, even in my original post I said the only way crypto will fall is if other first nations follow China's lead and ban the mining and all transactions from all crypto in name of carbon emissions. Apparently you didn't read post 1 though. /shrug

Spoiler: I also said that won't ever happen due to corruption in the western nations.
Haha, I wasn't referring to you specifically. That was a cliff of the thread.
 
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