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[Techspot] Chinese company says its latest EV batteries can last 16 years

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Move on over Elon Musk, there is a new king in town. Imagine if this car could come in at a 15 grand cost someday, built entirely by robots - that would change the world. 16 year battery, holy crap. throw in some solar panels on your roof and a powerbank storage. the future is very bright for Earth if we play our cards right. sadly the transition will be so slow and costly that the Earth will be fried by the time the masses make the transition, lol
 

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Move on over Elon Musk, there is a new king in town. Imagine if this car could come in at a 15 grand cost someday, built entirely by robots - that would change the world. 16 year battery, holy crap. throw in some solar panels on your roof and a powerbank storage. the future is very bright for Earth if we play our cards right. sadly the transition will be so slow and costly that the Earth will be fried by the time the masses make the transition, lol


They make batteries for Tesla as it stands. From the linked source of the article.

The Chinese behemoth that makes electric-car batteries for Tesla Inc. and Volkswagen AG developed a power pack that lasts more than a million miles -- an industry landmark and a potential boon for automakers trying to sway drivers to their EV models.
 

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They make batteries for Tesla as it stands. From the linked source of the article.

I doubt China will let Tesla use the tech first, regardless. Especially as the friction between the free markets, capitalism, and communism heat up. I would bet money these batteries will get priority development for Chinese cars first.
 
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I doubt China will let Tesla use the tech first, regardless. Especially as the friction between the free markets, capitalism, and communism heat up. I would bet money these batteries will get priority development for Chinese cars first.
Money rules the world it is all about how many Pesos. Tesla and the rest of the car makers (if this is true) will lineup.
 

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Money rules the world it is all about how many Pesos. Tesla and the rest of the car makers (if this is true) will lineup.

China's military gets dibs, then Chinese EV's, there is a reason China can build nuclear power plants in 2 years when it takes the rest of the world 20 to do the same thing. Capitalism don't mean crap when you have extreme group think and power unlimited.
 
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"Last long" is only one of several metrics that are important for EV batteries.
 
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Did not see much technical details. I guess it is still a secret at this point?

Meanwhile waiting for the following comments to pop up:

"Hey it is China so they must have stole it from somewhere else"
OR
"Hey it is China so they must be making up BS"
OR
"Hey it is China I'd rather die than use their stuff"
 
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Panasonic makes Tesla's current cells. IIRC, Tesla's patents mostly relate to battery technology (aka: electronics, cell management), not chemistry. Panasonic owns half the Nevada Gigafactory by the way, so Tesla is more or less locked into a Panasonic partnership with regards to anything coming out of Nevada. I think Tesla using Chinese cells in their Shanghai factory is a possibility. But its kind of speculation. Such a move wouldn't be looked well by their Panasonic partners.

Anyway, cell chemistry is normally measured by "number of charging cycles", with current Lithium Ion around 500 cycles or so. The key for Tesla cars is that the car doesn't typically do a complete discharge, so fancy electronics can load-balance (like a SSD) which cells get charged / discharged. (In theory anyway. I have no idea how Tesla makes their battery packs at all).

I don't know how the article can really claim the following

As reported by Bloomberg, one such company is Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd. (CATL). CATL is apparently already prepared to begin production on batteries than can last an astounding 16 years, or 1.24 million miles, before needing a replacement.

For reference, many current EV batteries are rated for about 200,000 miles of usage, so that's quite a significant leap forward.

This is too high-level to be useful. Given the differences in electronic systems that manage the battery, the amount of miles a given battery pack can last for is variable. (Weight of the car, air drag efficiency, etc. etc. too many variables). I'd be more trusting of the article if it were reporting number of cycles instead.

Even then, a Li-Ion cell can last longer the slower it is charged (or more specifically: charging at lower voltages: 4.0V charging will give more endurance than 4.2V charging, but 4.2V will charge the battery faster). So now we're talking about use-case specific issues... someone who uses the Tesla Supercharger (high-voltage) for 30-minute quick charges will have their battery wear out faster than someone who uses their 220V or 120V charger at home.

The chemistry / electronics here are very complicated. I don't even know how you come up with "200,000 miles" or "1.24 million miles" unless you very specifically talk about the car's weight, air resistance, driving behaviors, charging methodology, and electronic strategy involved.
 
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They make batteries for Tesla as it stands. From the linked source of the article.

No wonder their cars always have battery problems.... #MadeInChina
 

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No wonder their cars always have battery problems.... #MadeInChina

it is ironic looking back on Elon videos where he is bragging about made in america, only hire in america, only build in america. ah, how people love to change their tune once they pass that billion in the bank mark hehehe
 

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it is ironic looking back on Elon videos where he is bragging about made in america, only hire in america, only build in america. ah, how people love to change their tune once they pass that billion in the bank mark hehehe

There was this scheme that Tesla was part of in hong kong -- For every apartment purchased that was over a certain cost - They gave you a free Tesla car with your purchase. Thats why they are a lot of Tesla's where i live in HK. My area isnt a super rich area either.

They had to resort to giving them away as part of a scheme..
 
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There was this scheme that Tesla was part of in hong kong -- For every apartment purchased that was over a certain cost - They gave you a free Tesla car with your purchase. Thats why they are a lot of Tesla's where i live in HK. My area isnt a super rich area either.

They had to resort to giving them away as part of a scheme..

Do you have a link to a story about this? I'd be interested in learning the details.
 

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Do you have a link to a story about this? I'd be interested in learning the details.




Apparently they ran a similar scheme in Canada too....


Though I am unaware if this is true as ive never been there. I know the HK one is definitely true though.
 
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