Terminilogy behind "cheaper"?

[Theliel]

Hi I have a question about terminology of the word "cheaper" in cpus. On a certain other site I have seen a person tell another person about a general opinion to replace his AMD Phenom II x4 with Ryzen 5 1600. I have gone and looked up prices of used cpus for example in my country and currently Phenom II x4 Black Edition is around 61 euro or cheaper, while Ryzen 5 1600 is around 160 euro. The 1600 also has a higher power draw. My question is how can the 1600 be considered cheaper if it is not?

 

[Steve-007UK]

Because when you look at the cost of Phenom II x4 Black Edition when it fist came out it cost just as much if not more than Ryzen 5 1600 and in games and benchmarks the newer Ryzen 5 1600 will spank the helll out of a Phenom II x4 Black Edition and in every other modern workload.

 

[IceScreamer]

Hi I have a question about terminology of the word "cheaper" in cpus. On a certain other site I have seen a person tell another person about a general opinion to replace his AMD Phenom II x4 with Ryzen 5 1600. I have gone and looked up prices of used cpus for example in my country and currently Phenom II x4 Black Edition is around 61 euro or cheaper, while Ryzen 5 1600 is around 160 euro. The 1600 also has a higher power draw. My question is how can the 1600 be considered cheaper if it is not?

The 1600 does not have a higher power draw, since it's rated for 65W whereas most Phenom II X4s I know are 95W and more.
Regarding the "cheaper" part I'm not exactly sure what that person meant. Maybe it's considered a cheaper part among the newer CPUs, and that is true. Buying a Phenom CPU these days, outside some specific cases, makes no sense and could be considered poor value.

 

[potato580+]

just becous its cheaper than the other, it doesnt mean its cheap, thats it

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[GorbazTheDragon]

At the same clock speed for 4c4t ryzen is around 20-30% faster, considering the 1600 is a 6c12t part it is not far from 3x more powerful, hence the difference in value.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Not sure what your native language is but it should be noted there are two major and often totally unrelated definitions for the word "cheaper".

Definition 1: Less expensive.
Definition 2: Lower quality.

If Amazon sells the Ryzen 5 1600 for $110 and Newegg sells the same Ryzen 5 1600 for $115, Amazon is "cheaper" - but that has nothing to do with "quality".

So we really need to know the full context of the original comments.

 

[Theliel]

So we really need to know the full context of the original comments.

It was a conversation about the crashing of CODE VEIN. One person with the Phenom said he cant launch it. Another replied to him that he should "go buy a 1600, its cheaper and better performance". Others shared the opinion. While I had no question about performance of course, I didnt quite understand what he meant by "cheaper", hence my search for price info.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Perhaps this will help answer your question: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965/3919vs606

 

[refillable]

In that context, I assume that by "cheap" he was referring to the "cheapest substantial upgrade" which solely boils down to performance per dollar. The cheapest upgrade to run code vein well, to be precise.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Cheap really is a poor choice of words here - because it has so many meanings. It could be based on fact, for example $10 is cheaper than $15, or as refillable notes, "measurable" performance per dollar.

I add "measurable" because cheap could also be a matter of personal opinion or perception based only on a person's likes.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

In that context, I assume that by "cheap" he was referring to the "cheapest substantial upgrade" which solely boils down to performance per dollar. The cheapest upgrade to run code vein well, to be precise.

Problem is that a 1600 would not be the "cheapest" upgrade when you can get Ryzen Athlons for around 50$ (give/take) or even look at 2400G for example, would be "cheaper" upgrade path.

Perhaps the use of "cheaper" should have dropper the eeerrrr at the end and used the word "cheap" as in, "get a Ryzen 1600, it would be a **cheap upgrade"
Something along that line I imagine.

But you can even get a Ryzen 1400 and it would be a "cheaper" upgrade than a Ryzen 1600. The Ryzen Athlon is Cheap and cheaper in comparison.

Now that I've read and typed the word cheap so many times, I'm not going to use it for a while. lol.

 

[Frick]

Problem is that a 1600 would not be the "cheapest" upgrade when you can get Ryzen Athlons for around 50$ (give/take) or even look at 2400G for example, would be "cheaper" upgrade path.

Perhaps the use of "cheaper" should have dropper the eeerrrr at the end and used the word "cheap" as in, "get a Ryzen 1600, it would be a **cheap upgrade"
Something along that line I imagine.

But you can even get a Ryzen 1400 and it would be a "cheaper" upgrade than a Ryzen 1600. The Ryzen Athlon is Cheap and cheaper in comparison.

Now that I've read and typed the word cheap so many times, I'm not going to use it for a while. lol.

The Ryzen 1200 is about €50 where I live. Decent overclocking too!

 

[Mussels]

Someone else would have suggested a different CPU upgrade, and he said the 1600 was cheaper than that suggestion - not the CPU he currently has

 

[Valantar]

It was a conversation about the crashing of CODE VEIN. One person with the Phenom said he cant launch it. Another replied to him that he should "go buy a 1600, its cheaper and better performance". Others shared the opinion. While I had no question about performance of course, I didnt quite understand what he meant by "cheaper", hence my search for price info.

That sure sounds like what @Mussels said above; that someone before this had suggested a different CPU as an upgrade (probably something like an i5-9400 or Ryzen 5 3600, though I'm guessing wildly here) and that the suggestion of the Ryzen 5 1600 was then a cheaper option than the previous suggestion. Nothing can be cheaper than something you already own, unless you're factoring in running costs of a more efficient part (which would be a weird way of going about this).

 

[eidairaman1]

2 Terms for Cheap- Price, Quality.

Rather it be price than quality.

Tbf Phenom 2 was a great design and fx isnt as bad as it was on launch day however phenom 2 did not have an 8 core, FX and Ryzen Do.

If you have an AM3 board that just happens to specify FX8350 in compatibility and is not a lower end 970 board it will run it.

However Ryzen is on the scene and that is the most viable upgrade, save up dough if need be.

Just vote with your wallet and press on

 

[Mac2580]

I have both CPU's. The Phenom 840 in my opinion is not a CPU worth paying for currently. In fact i tried to donate it online but no one wanted it. According to CPU-Z benchmarks which ive done, my Ryzens single thread score is equal to the multithreaded score of the Phenom.

 

[Athlonite]

At release date the Phenom II x4 965 BE was valued at

Price at introduction

$245

And the Ryzen 5 1600 was valued

Price at introduction

$219

the 965 was an 140W TDP the Ryzen is 65W TDP

the 965 doesn't support alot of new instruction sets

So to put it basically you're getting a faster cooler cheaper per core CPU than the 965BE was