Test of 60.000 spinning HDD

VulkanBros · Nov 4, 2016

Could be nice to have those stats over SSD disks

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

Toothless · Nov 4, 2016

Interesting.

Vayra86 · Nov 4, 2016

HGST is going to be my go-to HDD guy now.

It was good in previous years, its still good, and its consistent across all models.

WD Toshiba (DT) and Seagate - you shall be avoided.

PLAfiller · Nov 4, 2016

Vayra86 said:
HGST is going to be my go-to HDD guy now.

It was good in previous years, its still good, and its consistent across all models.

WD Toshiba (DT) and Seagate - you shall be avoided.

"On October 19, 2015, Western Digital Corporation announced a decision from China's Ministry of Commerce ("MOFCOM") which enabled the company to integrate substantial portions of its HGST and WD subsidiaries under Western Digital Corporation ("Western Digital"), but they must offer both HGST and WD product brands in the market and maintain separate sales teams for two years from the date of the decision"

It's kinda of the same thing. WD owns much of HGST. My last 1TB drive is from HGST and I am very happy with it.

Disparia · Nov 4, 2016

Really like my HGST Deskstar NAS in the home server. Going to get another one soon to replace a Seagate that has started to report bad bits. Might even be the last HDD I ever buy (for personal use). By the time I fill up another 4-6TB I'll be looking at 2-4TB SSDs at half their cost today.

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

This data has been out a while and doesn't look like much changed for the first quarter of 16.

GreiverBlade · Nov 4, 2016

Vayra86 said:
HGST is going to be my go-to HDD guy now.

It was good in previous years, its still good, and its consistent across all models.

WD Toshiba (DT) and Seagate - you shall be avoided.

tell that to my only HDD that failed recently ... it was a Hitachi (HGST) and also it was one of the noisiest 2.5 7200rpm HDD out of the box ...

on the other hand ... all my IDE Maxtor Seagate, SCSI Seagate and SATA Toshiba, WD (SSHD that one ...) are still in good condition
(semi off topic, well ... i use a OCZ SSD for quite long now and ... unlike seemingly a lot of user, that one either have any issues ... )

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

Vayra86 said:
HGST is going to be my go-to HDD guy now.

It was good in previous years, its still good, and its consistent across all models.

WD Toshiba (DT) and Seagate - you shall be avoided.

You know only 1 Toshiba drive and 18 WD drives have failed right?

And of over 35000 Seagate drives with over 2 million drive days right around 210 have failed. That's well over MTBF ratings for lifespan.

GreiverBlade · Nov 4, 2016

cdawall said:
You know only 1 Toshiba drive and 18 WD drives have failed right?

And of over 35000 Seagate drives with over 2 million drive days right around 210 have failed. That's well over MTBF ratings for lifespan.

oh and it's a DT01ACA300 ... mine are DT01ACA100, argh and i planned to replace one of them by a 200 or 300 .... oh well 200 it will be ... i don't want to have the 2nd failing 300 :laugh:

natr0n · Nov 4, 2016

Proof seagate is shit.

Been eyeing Toshiba's based on user reviews and they seem like a safe bet now.

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

natr0n said:
Proof seagate is shit.

Been eyeing Toshiba's based on user reviews and they seem like a safe bet now.

How so? They have more hours than every other drive in the test combined. Look at the data again.

newtekie1 · Nov 4, 2016

I've said it before, and I'll say it again every time BackBlaze data is brought up. Their drive failure statistics mean nothing to consumers.

Jetster · Nov 4, 2016

haha WD fan boys take note. Highest failure rate. Things are always changing. Really I've always said any of the brands are fine. These kind of reports really mean nothing

Also note they had 35,000 Seagate drives. Over half the drives tested

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

newtekie1 said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again every time BackBlaze data is brought up. Their drive failure statistics mean nothing to consumers.

It is interesting to see got all of those consumer level drives are actually lasting reasonably well in an environment that their manufacturer specifically says they shouldn't be in.

newtekie1 · Nov 4, 2016

Jetster said:
Really I've always said any of the brands are fine.

In my experience, the drive model matters more than the brand. They all put out cheap models that seem to be less reliable, and better drives that are more reliable.

natr0n · Nov 4, 2016

cdawall said:
How so? They have more hours than every other drive in the test combined. Look at the data again.

Indeed.
Every seagate drive I have owned has died/failed, so I am biased against the brand.

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

natr0n said:
Indeed.
Every seagate drive I have owned has died/failed, so I am biased against the brand.

After how long? In what conditions? 2.8 million drive days on the 4TB models in that survey.

natr0n · Nov 4, 2016

cdawall said:
After how long? In what conditions? 2.8 million drive days on the 4TB models in that survey.

Time varies really. I only have 1 seagate left 500gb for storage already signs of reallocated sectors and clicking. Conditions barely used mostly for storage drives cool temps. Example set to sleep after 3 mins being idle.
Random reallocated sectors, random clicking always the same issues with seagates for me.

Also every pc I have repaired always has a bad/dead seagate.

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

natr0n said:
Time varies really. I only have 1 seagate left 500gb for storage already signs of reallocated sectors and clicking. Conditions barely used mostly for storage drives cool temps. Example set to sleep after 3 mins being idle.
Random reallocated sectors, random clicking always the same issues with seagates for me.

I have a pair of 7200.9's (maybe 10's?) 1.5TB's still floating around in random PC's 6 or 7 years later, my server is 2TB Constellation ES drives. I find if people have issues with any brand it is usually user related or just that old. I have yet to see any brand personally that lasted longer or shorter than any other.

Also remember a constant spin up/spin down will be harder on any and all drives that just running at RPM...

P4-630 · Nov 4, 2016

I'm only using one HDD at the moment, a Hitachi 750GB 7200rpm 2.5" HDD in my desktop.
+ I have one 640GB external Seagate drive which I don't use much.

Folterknecht · Nov 4, 2016

You want to do something good to your HDDs? Position them directly behind the front intake fan(s) in the airflow with at least one slot space between them (if possible) keeping them well under 40°C.

cdawall · Nov 4, 2016

Folterknecht said:
You want to do something good to your HDDs? Position them directly behind the front intake fan(s) in the airflow with at least one slot space between them (if possible) keeping them well under 40°C.

Anything under 40c if anything led to faster failure. 40-60c is fine.

newtekie1 · Nov 4, 2016

cdawall said:
Anything under 40c if anything led to faster failure. 40-60c is fine.

Correct, colder temps actually lead to faster HDD failures.

Jetster · Nov 4, 2016

That was also a Blackblaze study so its not conclusive. There are other study's that report same or different findings

I will point out this years failure rates are the lowest they have ever been accost the board all brands

VulkanBros · Nov 4, 2016

Dont know if you guys are right about the tempretures.
I have 48, 900 GB SAS drives in my VSA (SAN box) HGST UltraStar 10.000 rpm....
They all run at 18 degrees celsius (They have these these recommandations: environmental (operating) ambient temperature 5° to 55° C)
All 48 drives have been running for 4 years and eleven month (24/7) in 18 degrees celcius without any failures...

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Test of 60.000 spinning HDD

VulkanBros

Toothless

Tech, Games, and TPU!

Vayra86

PLAfiller

Disparia

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

GreiverBlade

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

GreiverBlade

natr0n

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

newtekie1

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Jetster

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

newtekie1

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natr0n

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

natr0n

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

P4-630

Folterknecht

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

newtekie1

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Jetster

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