The Choice is Clear, XP Pro X64

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 23, 2007

Well it's been a week or so since my little accident formatting, those of you that read my threads know what I'm talking about.

I've been contemplating either installing Vista X64 or Server 2003 x86 and I think I found a good compromise... XP Pro X64. Now I know what you're thinking.. "why?". Well I want to run Win64 apps, but I hate Vista with a fiery passion that causes death all around me. :mad:

What makes it even sweeter to me is that XP Pro X64 is based off Sever 2003.. the only Windows OS I ever loved. So for my sake and with any luck X64 will be adopted sooner, the WINE project will port DX10 to XP/2003, and OpenGL 3.0 won't require Vista.

God I wish it was a perfect world... wish me luck and I'll keep you posted.

Darknova · Aug 23, 2007

Yo, let us know how it goes, and if you run in to any compatibility problems.

I'm looking at going 64bit, but Vista x64 is pure bloat...I hate bloat....but I have numerous copies of x64 (all legit btw) but I don't wanna format just 4 weeks after my last one unless there is a good reason.

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 23, 2007

Darknova said:
Yo, let us know how it goes, and if you run in to any compatibility problems.

I'm looking at going 64bit, but Vista x64 is pure bloat...I hate bloat....but I have numerous copies of x64 (all legit btw) but I don't wanna format just 4 weeks after my last one unless there is a good reason.

Vista = Bloat, no matter the version... :banghead:

XP Pro X64 however is pure sweetness.. it's faster than my old XP setup (because of the 2003 kernel, not necessarily because of 64 bit) and I've been trying out various 64bit apps. There aren't many apps right now but at least I know could if there were more.

I've had zero compatibility issues with software and have been able to find all the right drivers. I did however do research into X64 drivers for my system, so I knew I wouldn't have any problem there before I started.

If you're looking for something nicer than XP x86 and lacks the bloat of vista.. this is it. XP Pro X64 FTW!

DaMulta · Aug 23, 2007

no dx10 on x64

Darknova · Aug 23, 2007

What about games etc? Especially older games.

Just wait until the Alky Project gets closer to finishing DaMulta

DaMulta · Aug 23, 2007

Darknova said:
What about games etc? Especially older games.

Just wait until the Alky Project gets closer to finishing DaMulta

Then DX10.1 will be here, or DX10 updates

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 23, 2007

DX10 is no big deal to me as of yet, and as far far as old games are concerned it plays Age of Empires 1 and TotalA pretty well. lol

When it comes to games that the installer bitches about the windows version not being 2000 or XP, I have a nifty tool to remove those requirements from the installer file.

So yeah, life is good. :rockout:

Darknova · Aug 23, 2007

ChaoticBlankness said:
DX10 is no big deal to me as of yet, and as far far as old games are concerned it plays Age of Empires 1 and TotalA pretty well. lol

When it comes to games that the installer bitches about the windows version not being 2000 or XP, I have a nifty tool to remove those requirements from the installer file.

So yeah, life is good.

What tool is that?

AsphyxiA · Aug 23, 2007

yeah id like to know what that tool is myself, ive wanted to go x64 since it came out

von kain · Aug 23, 2007

i was posting on an older thread that the win xp x64 isn't "driver "friendly my hp scanjet doesn't have drivers for it my canon ixus doesn't have hell even my dog* isn't having drivers

but as i can surly say it is hell faster then the xp x86 about 20-25%on games and 10-15% on applications when it is x86 if it is x64 like the hl2 and the cinema4d i can even measure it.

i really like win xp x64 i havent a single bug find ...yet and the x86 programs run moderate sweet

p.s by dog i mean.......he is not certified for it
p.s.2 i don't count for bug certain known programs fault with x64

AsRock · Aug 23, 2007

Been running x64 with near no problems over the last 18 months. I've heard so many people having them though.. Maybe they did not check if there gear was correctly supported before trying ?.

I've had 2 problems and both been with installers with games which turned out to be crapy games anyways. Either some one made the installer fix or you just use Orca from MS's SDK pack.

So basicly just check if all your stuff is supported before trying it...

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 23, 2007

This is a neat script I original got from a "special" 2003 install. It worked very well on there and I'd imagine it would on here too.

lemonadesoda · Aug 23, 2007

ChaoticBlankness said:
What makes it even sweeter to me is that XP Pro X64 is based off Sever 2003.. the only Windows OS I ever loved.

I'm not sure you are right. I think that Server 2003 is a LATER build than XP. (even 64 XP). So install Server 2003 as a workstation, turn off some services, and away you go! http://www.kood.org/win-2003-optimize-tool/

Windows 2003 = (winver) 5.2 build 3790

Please post build number of XP and XP 64.

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CORRECTION / UPDATE

It seems that XP Pro 64 is indeed 5.2.3790 whereas XP 32 and original XP 64 was 5.1.

So XP Pro 64 IS RUNNING THE SAME CODEBASE as Server 2003.

lemonadesoda · Aug 23, 2007

ChaoticBlankness said:
This is a neat script I original got from a "special" 2003 install. It worked very well on there and I'd imagine it would on here too.

Oh man, thank you VERY MUCH! I have always had to manually edit the msc using ORCA. A real pain in the butt. I'll try your script next time :toast:

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 24, 2007

lemonadesoda said:
Oh man, thank you VERY MUCH! I have always had to manually edit the msc using ORCA. A real pain in the butt. I'll try your script next time

No sweat man, just glad I was some help.

Also, I originally used 2003 x86 as a workstation.. but missed the some of the XP features and wanted the X64 support I had with Vista. So this really is good match for me.

Darknova · Aug 24, 2007

I think I'm going to have to test out x64....need to dig out an old HDD now...

niko084 · Aug 24, 2007

Server '03 64bit.....

Blows away XP... And well vista... nuff said.

ChaoticBlankness · Aug 24, 2007

niko084 said:
Server '03 64bit.....

Blows away XP... And well vista... nuff said.

XP Pro X64 is Server 2003 X64... but with a more workstation feel out of box experience.

Wile E · Aug 24, 2007

I agree. I loved XP x64 when I had it installed. I only uninstalled it because I was starting fresh, and didn't want the hassle of multiboot at the time. So I stuck with XP x86, just to keep life simple. The only reason I had to multiboot, was due to some of my bios editing and flashing tools not working properly on x64.

But, once I get up and running again, I'm goin back to x64.

niko084 · Aug 24, 2007

ChaoticBlankness said:
XP Pro X64 is Server 2003 X64... but with a more workstation feel out of box experience.

Sort of... But not exactly... Server runs a bit more efficiently and more stable.

Difference for me the way I last tested it was on a 2.8 Intel 915D with 1 gig of ram and a 1300xt went from 2024 3dmark06 average over 5 runs in Xp 64, to 2116 average over 5 runs in Server '03 64bit.

Also gained just about 5-10 fps in counter strike source, less ram was used on boot, less lockups, all around a better base.

Good reason they cost so much different. But yes it is for most users a easier out of the box setup.

Wile E · Aug 24, 2007

niko084 said:
Sort of... But not exactly... Server runs a bit more efficiently and more stable.

Difference for me the way I last tested it was on a 2.8 Intel 915D with 1 gig of ram and a 1300xt went from 2024 3dmark06 average over 5 runs in Xp 64, to 2116 average over 5 runs in Server '03 64bit.

Also gained just about 5-10 fps in counter strike source, less ram was used on boot, less lockups, all around a better base.

Good reason they cost so much different. But yes it is for most users a easier out of the box setup.

The performance increases is only because XP runs more services by default. Strip it with nLite, and it ends up being the same. I tried both, myself, and found the nLite'd XP x64 to perform identically to 2k3 nLite'd, with the added bonus of easier setup.

Deleted member 24505 · Aug 24, 2007

what would xp x64 run like with 2gb ram? do you need more than 2gb for x64 os's?

thanks

Wile E · Aug 24, 2007

tigger69 said:
what would xp x64 run like with 2gb ram? do you need more than 2gb for x64 os's?

thanks

Nope. It even ran fine when I only had 1GB.

Deleted member 24505 · Aug 24, 2007

mmm,i always thought you need more for x64,thanks for the info.i may try it aat some point on an old disk.

Wile E · Aug 24, 2007

tigger69 said:
mmm,i always thought you need more for x64,thanks for the info.i may try it aat some point on an old disk.

Nah, it just allows more ram than x86.

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