The costs of Intel gaming vs AMD gaming, who wins? Actually Intel this round, cheaper and faster.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · Jul 27, 2019

Hardware Unboxed tested the Core i5 9400F. Of the games they tested,Kingdom Come Deliverance and BFV,the Core i5 9400F had stuttering.

Tests are done with the included box coolers.

In the UK the Ryzen 5 2600 is £20 cheaper than the Core i5 9400F,and the Ryzen 5 3600 is not only quicker now,but also 1% lows are much better in newer games.

Vario · Jul 27, 2019

The +$40 is kind of a gimmick. May as well include 8700 (non-k) for $300.

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

9400f falls flat on the face when it comes to min. fps,although I have no idea why on earth they're not counting avg. fps as part of the value,neither do they count oc headroom on 9600k or add the igpu as added value.
9400 seems like great value 60-75 fps/home rig cpu,nothing more.
3600 I see as a decent entry-level high refresh gaming option,though only a placeholder for something faster once a ryzen cpu arrives that can actually get to 4.8ghz

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

eidairaman1 · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

Why?

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I jumped on the AMD bandwagon, I think its only taken 3 weeks for me to want to switch back to Intel.

what cpu did you "upgrade" from ?

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Why?

I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62. Super high idle voltages 1.45+ Installed newest CH7 BIOS last night so we'll see if anything improves.

cucker tarlson said:
what cpu did you "upgrade" from ?

My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back. I originally went to Micro center for the 3900x, but was sold out so grabbed the 3700x to play with.

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62.

My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back.

man that sucks,though there's a lot of talk about those issues,maybe you should've waited a little longer until they're fixed.
how is performance?
you may wanna go back to 7700k until ryzen is usable.

are you sure this is not somehow down to your cooler making bad contact and temps too high ? x62 is the best clc atm, 50 in idle is ridiculous,I'd expect 50 in gaming.

eidairaman1 · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I have had a lot of general stability issues. Sometimes my mouse pointer disappears, Games freeze, What settings work today sometimes don't work the next, Last night the PC kept locking up even at Default settings upon entering Windows. Poor overclocking, I haven't seen this CPU once reach its advertised boost speed (4.4). High Idle temp spikes 50c with a X62. Super high idle voltages 1.45+ Installed newest CH7 BIOS last night so we'll see if anything improves.

My "Upgrade" was more of an itch to build a new PC. I haven't built an AMD computer since the FX-57 single core days, I came from a 5.2Ghz 7700k, Its all still here so I may just switch back. I originally went to Micro center for the 3900x, but was sold out so grabbed the 3700x to play with.

Oh Asus, go figure

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

why can't mobo manufacturers do something right at launch for a change.......

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

cucker tarlson said:
man that sucks,though there's a lot of talk about those issues,maybe you should've waited a little longer until they're fixed.
how is performance?
you may wanna go back to 7700k until ryzen is usable.

are you sure this is not somehow down to your cooler making bad contact and temps too high ? x62 is the best clc atm, 50 in idle is ridiculous,I'd expect 50 in gaming.

Performance is roughly the same @ 3440x1440 in game.

I'm definitely going to reseat the cooler, but im almost 100% sure its mounted correctly. Idle temps at the moment under 100% fan speed on the X62 sits between 45-55c.

Heres the thing this CPU idles @ auto voltage anywhere between 1.4-1.5v causing high idle temps. Once stressed (cpuz stress test) voltage drops to 1.36v, clocks drop to 4.1GHZ and temps stay around 74c.

eidairaman1 · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
Performance is roughly the same @ 3440x1440 in game.

I'm definitely going to reseat the cooler, but im almost 100% sure its mounted correctly. Idle temps at the moment under 100% fan speed on the X62 sits between 45-55c.

Heres the thing this CPU idles @ auto voltage anywhere between 1.4-1.5v causing high idle temps. Once stressed (cpuz stress test) voltage drops to 1.36v, clocks drop to 4.1GHZ and temps stay around 74c.

Tbf i dont run auto voltages on anything cpu related, try dropping it manually to 1.32-1.36 and see.

There are plenty of how to videos to tune any platform on youtube.

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

eidairaman1 said:
Tbf i dont run auto voltages on anything cpu related, try dropping it manually to 1.32-1.36 and see.

There are plenty of how to videos to tune any platform on youtube.

I can overclock, this CPU will do 4.3 all core, but no lower than 1.4v. Its set to all default now because of updating the BIOS. Im just amazed to see such high voltage on auto when the PC is pretty much doing nothing. Im watching on Ryzen Master the voltage bounce between 1.45-1.5v and temps @ 45-55c.

Even running 4.3 @ 1.4v doesnt help much. The idle maybe slightly lower, but its now higher under load because constant voltage.

HD64G · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I can overclock, this CPU will do 4.3 all core, but no lower than 1.4v. Its set to all default now because of updating the BIOS. Im just amazed to see such high voltage on auto when the PC is pretty much doing nothing. Im watching on Ryzen Master the voltage bounce between 1.45-1.5v and temps @ 45-55c.

Even running 4.3 @ 1.4v doesnt help much. The idle maybe slightly lower, but its now higher under load because constant voltage.

I hope you have installed the latest AMD chipset driver and applied the AMD power profile in windows. Might help in those issues me thinks.

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

HD64G said:
I hope you have installed the latest AMD chipset driver and applied the AMD power profile in windows. Might help in those issues me thinks.

Yes and Yes, still the same.

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

does amd have any equivalent of xtu ? should do it for the short term.

Keullo-e · Jul 27, 2019

cucker tarlson said:
does amd have any equivalent of xtu ? should do it for the short term.

Ryzen Master afaik, don't use any software OC myself though.

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

software oc is a lot more convenient.

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

I resat the cooler and reapplied thermal paste (MX-4 laying around) didn't improve anything. @1.4v under CPUZ stress test sees temps @ 84c. Id hate to see what they hit with the stock cooler..... Fans are @ 75% and pump @ 100%

cucker tarlson · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I resat the cooler and reapplied thermal past some (MX-4 laying around) didn't improve anything. @1.4v under CPUZ stress test sees temps @ 84c

it's clearly buggy bios

Sybaris_Caesar · Jul 27, 2019

@advanced3, all AGESA (AMD micro code) issue. High idle temp is because of high stock voltage. High voltage, whea error, unplayability of Destiny 2, not reaching advertised clock speed everything.

Amd will will release a new agesa, motherboard vendors will edit it and release as bios update, you (luckily not me for at least a week) "lucky" beta testers will flash the update and report it to AMD HQ at r/Amd.

And the wheel goes round and round.

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

Khonjel said:
@advanced3, all AGESA (AMD micro code) issue. High idle temp is because of high stock voltage. High voltage, whea error, unplayability of Destiny 2, not reaching advertised clock speed everything.

Amd will will release a new agesa, motherboard vendors will edit it and release as bios update, you (luckily not me for at least a week) "lucky" beta testers will flash the update and report it to AMD HQ at r/Amd.

And the wheel goes round and round.

Hopefully it gets straightened out at some point. I am on the newest ASUS BIOS. It seems odd that at idle its running its highest voltage and clocks, I'll keep it running as my main gaming PC, but I may switch back to the 7700K at some point.

Psychoholic · Jul 27, 2019

Here's what fixed idle voltages and temps for me (May also fix WHEA Errors)
-Anything in bios that has an "auto" and "normal" for voltages be sure to set it to normal.
-Set Power profile to "high performance" (Not ryzen high performance) and change min and max processor states to 1 and 100 respectively.

My 3800x idles in the 30s and vcore is under 1.0v

Keullo-e · Jul 27, 2019

advanced3 said:
I'll keep it running as my main gaming PC, but I may switch back to the 7700K at some point.

4c/8t on a gaming rig instead of 8c/16t in 2019?

advanced3 · Jul 27, 2019

Ya but 5.2Ghz all core and much lower temps... I really wanted to like this CPU too. I basically threw $160 away on this cooler when the stock would of yielded similar results. I am now wondering how much this cooler would improve the 7700k temps over my old H105.

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