The Family of man just got Bigger

[Vayra86]

meanwhile all those goody good feelings are overburdening our planet with a population it can barely sustain which will only become worse with the passage of time leading to massive wars for resources china for instance is already buying up large tracts of land for growth of food or for mining of coal and other ores it requires because it can't support it's own population the U.S. and it's "war on terror" where they offer aid for cheap oil from Iraq certainly makes you stop and wonder was it really about terror or was it really about the oil.
Who's next Russia well they've already started to expand again wont be long before all those who used to be behind the iron curtain will once again be back there, and India their population rivals that of China who are they going to take over ?

Totally offtopic, if the subject is too big for you, don't partake. You will derail this thread and it will go nowhere. Read, maybe you will learn a thing or two. Most of the insights being shared here are much bigger than our current day politics.

Make your story bigger and suddenly it can have its place in our evolutionary process. Let's try that?

So, yes, our resources will be exhausted at some point - this pushes us to find new ways to survive and thrive, and there is a whole galaxy out there. It may sound sci-fi, but its either that or we turn things around radically on our own planet - now, given your own sense of realism about the current state of affairs, what is more likely? If we are successful at evolving further, we will probably have to adapt to new hardships for example those in zero G. We already have astronauts trying hard at that. Perhaps they represent the next step in our development/evolution of traits and strengths.

 

[R-T-B]

meanwhile all those goody good feelings are overburdening our planet with a population it can barely sustain which will only become worse with the passage of time leading to massive wars for resources china for instance is already buying up large tracts of land for growth of food or for mining of coal and other ores it requires because it can't support it's own population the U.S. and it's "war on terror" where they offer aid for cheap oil from Iraq certainly makes you stop and wonder was it really about terror or was it really about the oil.

And if one of the goody good feelings came up with Fusion energy largely solving our problems, would your brain go inside out?

People like you would ensure Stephen Hawking would've been a goner the moment he was diagnosed... I have no words, honestly. Please, elsewhere with this irrelevant and utterly strange off-the-wall viewpoint.

 

[Caring1]

Looking at the standard creationist myth versus the FSM, I find the FSM argument equally compelling from a factual standpoint. But as a sidenote, as to which would i want to be true .... who wouldn't rather have a heaven with Beer Volcano and Stripper Factory ?

Your wife!

 

[SoNic67]

Why does that matter given it's still the best example?

A more recent example I can think of involves polar bears and grizzlies breeding to form a new species (another way evolution can and has happened historically). Let's see what google turns up:

It's less ideal than the speciation example, but that takes a long time usually.

That's like saying that a child of a Chinese human with an African human is a new species of human.
Same with those Finches - a mutant with bigger beak resulted from incest of one pair - sister and brother. Well, we have mutants being hemophiliacs in royal families, and other genetic variations (big noses on some people), we don't call those "a new species".

Whatever, you are true believers that random events can lead to more order. That a random chemical can create a more organized system, called life.
That humans really descend from the apes like Neanderthals in a blink of the eye (historically) and without intermediate forms.

So I can't do much here on this thread, agree to disagree... thanks for watching.

 

[Bones]

To a point it's like asking this series of questions.

No one really knows what but I'm with the above post, no way random, chaotic events created order because that just doesn't happen.
You simply don't get order from chaos, not the nature of it.

I also agree to disagree so...... Carry on guys and thanks.

 

[infrared]

But as a sidenote, as to which would i want to be true .... who wouldn't rather have a heaven with Beer Volcano and Stripper Factory ?

Your wife!

How do you know John's partner wouldn't also enjoy a heaven with beer and strippers? lol
apologies for off-topic..

 

[Vayra86]

To a point it's like asking this series of questions.
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No one really knows what but I'm with the above post, no way random, chaotic events created order because that just doesn't happen.
You simply don't get order from chaos, not the nature of it.

I also agree to disagree so...... Carry on guys and thanks.

Yeah... all those questions are actually pretty easy to answer... I hate to come off arrogant but this is precisely the infinite stupidity of all these self proclaimed "critical thinkers". Blissful ignorance because they are not open to the answers that are right in front of them.

Just because you dont understand something doesnt mean its wrong nor does it mean there is space for an alternative 'fact'. Agree to disagree? No: get educated is what is appropriate here...

1. None of them, you arent an owner
2. Simple phonetics...
3. Well documented...
4. Spelling and grammar rules
5. Sundial

 

[witkazy]

If anything proves evolution that would be strippers and booz.

 

[Bones]

Yeah... all those questions are actually pretty easy to answer... I hate to come off arrogant but this is precisely the infinite stupidity of all these self proclaimed "critical thinkers". Blissful ignorance because they are not open to the answers that are right in front of them.

Just because you dont understand something doesnt mean its wrong nor does it mean there is space for an alternative 'fact'. Agree to disagree? No: get educated is what is appropriate here...

1. None of them, you arent an owner
2. Simple phonetics...
3. Well documented...
4. Spelling and grammar rules
5. Sundial

I agree with most of the above but that wasn't really what I was getting at, I was using that as an example of how some questions are asked that really doesn't need to be or in the case of a couple in the attachment at least no need to worry about it because it just doesn't matter.

Some really do have obvious answers but not all - As to #3, sorry but I don't believe in evolution, plain and simple and no, it's still Darwin's theory not Darwin's fact.
All the rest do have obvious answers to them IF you think about it in the right way.

And yes, I can and do agree to disagree because that's up to me in my case as it is for you and anyone else as it should be.

 

[Ahhzz]

That's like saying that a child of a Chinese human with an African human is a new species of human.
Same with those Finches - a mutant with bigger beak resulted from incest of one pair - sister and brother. Well, we have mutants being hemophiliacs in royal families, and other genetic variations (big noses on some people), we don't call those "a new species".

Whatever, you are true believers that random events can lead to more order. That a random chemical can create a more organized system, called life.
That humans really descend from the apes like Neanderthals in a blink of the eye (historically) and without intermediate forms.

So I can't do much here on this thread, agree to disagree... thanks for watching.

Polar bears and Grizzly bears are different SPECIES. An Asian Human is the same SPECIES as an African Human. All Human Beings alive today are the same SPECIES, and two mating together do not create a new species. The finches on the Galapagos Isle that arrived 4 decades ago, by mating with a different SPECIES of finch, have created a totally different SPECIES, in 2 generations.

Your statements lack facts.

 

[SoNic67]

"Species" are historically classified to fit evolutionist reasons. If we apply the same logic (and it was applied at a time), humans would be split in different species too. But we invented the "race" for that. It's not politically correct to call mixed race people "hybrids".

Genetically if two specimens can have offspring, they are the same species. It's different races of bears if you want.
This kind of articles are just doing "damage control":
https://news.ucsc.edu/2013/03/polar-bear-genomics.html

 

[R-T-B]

That's like saying that a child of a Chinese human with an African human is a new species of human.

Strictly speaking from an observable trait and geographic isolation perspective, it could almost qualify if we did not personally know our genomes to be so similar. That, and social reasons, mainly (no one wants to be another species except of course, me).

The species line is somewhat arbitrary and more used to identify regular breeding groups than anything. Interracial breeding isn't unusual anymore so the "one species" thing as it stands now is actually mostly correct.

Still, the "species" ambiguity, that really is a valid point, but in no way disproves evolution or the numerous examples of it given.

"Species" are historically classified to fit evolutionist reasons.

Nope. Taxonomy, at least in the sense of identifying animals, far predates Darwin and evolution. There's no grand conspiracy there.

 

[mouacyk]

For those who haven't given science a chance, do it now, before it's too late. Materials science and nano-technology is coming and they will bring Mount Olympus down to ground level. We all can always enjoy a good book and its stories when that happens.

 

[R-T-B]

For those who haven't given science a chance, do it now, before it's too late. Materials science and nano-technology is coming and they will bring Mount Olympus down to ground level. We all can always enjoy a good book and its stories when that happens.

It's ok, the Frog God forgives all whether they believe in him or not*

*After consumption

 

[lexluthermiester]

What I find interesting is that topic like this invariably bring out the "Us Vs Them" God talk.

He's a thought. What if evolution is actually God's way of doing things? Religious texts clearly tell us that "His ways are not our ways", so what if all of the inconsistencies science and religion through at each other are actually perfectly consistant because we simply haven't connected the dots?

 

[R-T-B]

What I find interesting is that topic like this invariably bring out the "Us Vs Them" God talk.

He's a thought. What if evolution is actually God's way of doing things? Religious texts clearly tell us that "His ways are not our ways", so what if all of the inconsistencies science and religion through at each other are actually perfectly consistant because we simply haven't connected the dots?

I would suspect that to be the case were god real, frankly.