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I have no intreast in debating god or any other Deity creation myth and have requested thread be clensed/closed
Thank you for sharing your myths ect.

Science is what this sub forum is for take the myths ect to the lounge area.
Thread cleansed :)

Everyone:
As per OP's wishes please stay on topic, this thread is not for religious discussion. Thank you.
 
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Typed up over 20k words to try to explain evolution from the perspective of stochastic genome modeling. In the end realized it is not worth it.

Ahhh f$$k i want my 2hrs back....
 
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As a scientist who currently bucks the trend of the mainstream, I take exception to that statement...
Then my statement was not aimed at you ;)
Every new discovery is like a small piece of a jigsaw puzzle, but i'm convinced there is more than one puzzle laid out that it can fit, but most people only see the one in front of them.
 
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Typed up over 20k words to try to explain evolution from the perspective of stochastic genome modeling.
Obviously, this is not the place.
Today in both "camps" 99% of the people are just believers. Even the self-declared "evolutionists" are believers because they believe in something that their intellect cannot understand. They barely finish HS, never had a probability math class at college level... so on and so forth.

To me, as agnostic, nobody could explain the apparition of humans genetically in a convincing way. How one pair of chromosomes got fused in one individual and got transmitted by natural sexual reproduction in the rest of population that had normal, not-fused chromosomes. How come mitochondrial evidence points to a very short "evolution" of humans on timescale, more like an "explosion".

I have read some papers that claim to explain that, but I didn't get convinced. 20-30 years since I have started questioning myself this... then one day I randomly saw the videos of late Llyod Pye linked above. He was the only one that really tried to address the same questions. Coincidence that we tough the same? Not to me.

Until scientists are genuinely try to solve this great mystery, without using dogma and stigma, they are no better than the rest of religious believers.
 
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I can't even comment on some of the garbage I've read in this forum because it so insane I will end up in a rant. Just one question, if you don't believe in evolution why would come to a thread that is so obviously about evolution?
 
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Why not? The purpose of a forum is to have discussions, not to be a "safe space" echo chamber. Per your logic, if you don't believe in creation, why do you comment about creation?

Is it though about "evolution"? Who says that those fossils are from what we evolved from? Actually, even per evolution dogma, most of the humanoid fossils are not in our evolution path.
 
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As an archaeology student, I can tell you there is no missing link. That term is used by idiots and the astoundingly ignorant.

The tree of life concept is enough of an illustration to guide. Branches of evolution flourish, then fail. Few make it through.

The great thing about a true science is that we don't know the truth until it's infallible. Mainstream science guides us through logical thought but it is ALWAYS open to critique and change. Unlike other ideological dead ends.
 
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Circa 150-200kya the humans appeared suddenly in Africa and then slowly moved out, in phases (60-80 kya).
Before that we have ape-like hominids. There is nothing "in between".

We are not descendants of the Neanderthal or Homo Erectus. We might inbreed with them (2-3%) later, before we drove them off...
Archeology got more interesting today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogenetics
 
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The little old lady that lives near you and the old man oppose your mum are actively practicing Evolution
in their case its called Gardening where they breed crops/plants for colour /size of fruit
95% of what modern people eat is directly resulted from evolution
 
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more like an "explosion".

Yes, and that had happened before, historically, in the fossil record. It's not unheard of. The Cambrian Explosion is the best known example. I would reccomend reading this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion#Possible_Causes

It's an excellent (but incomplete) list of possible ways an organisms development may be supercharged.

As for chromosomes fusing, and all that, it's sort of weird to think about, but interspecies breeding is showing increasing evidence as having both happened and had an impact on a lot of the evolutionary tree (yes, even late humans). The weirdness you get from that in even humanity's brief experiments with interbreeding animals may explain all sorts of abnormalities. It certainly does weird things to the chromosomes when you get viable offspring.

Relevant article:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2006/05/did-ancestral-humans-chimps-interbreed/

And yes, I am fully aware the monkeysex angle makes this even less appetizing to religious types. That shouldn't matter to science if the theory holds any credibilility.
 
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The little old lady that lives near you and the old man oppose your mum are actively practicing Evolution
in their case its called Gardening where they breed crops/plants for colour /size of fruit
That's Selection, not evolution. If you have a genome fund, and you selectively eliminate some of the genes from it, you are not evolving that population into a different species. A tomato didn't evolve from a cactus.
Only recently we found out how to genetically engineer them. And that makes my point of creative evolution versus random one.

Like I said before, people don't know what they don't know. But they always BELIEVE strongly in what they don't understand.
 
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The Cambrian Explosion is the best known example.
And that doesn't raise questions? How those "empty" ecological niches got filled so sudden by random mutations that usually take millions of years to develop?

Random mutations need much, much longer times. Here certainly looks like creative engineered processes. God, Aliens... any civilization that could do that, at that point in time, are certainly indistinguishable from God to us.
 
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And that doesn't raise questions?

It does. But rather than throw everything out because one piece doesn't fit, Occam's Razor would have us ask "What Changed?" rather than throwing out what seems a perfectly good theory.

Only if none of the explanations make sense can the theory truly be discarded. That is not the case. If you really think those explanations are impossible, please do detail what you see wrong with them beyond "lol too fast therefore aliens."
 
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The question is...why are stupid people allowed to live and/or procreate? When will we evolve to that level? Ever?

Hint: Then "when" and "ever" are semi-rhetorical. The time will come. I'm just pissed off it's not sooner than later. Anywho...enjoy your stay while it lasts idiots!
 
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Evolution is the process of successful selection
Evolution is the process of successful mutation. Which is impossible and paradoxical when you consider the odds. Fill the entire state of texas with quarters, a total of 10 feet high and pick the golden quarter not just once, but over and over again for every single animal. 99% of mutations are bad.
 

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And that doesn't raise questions? How those "empty" ecological niches got filled so sudden by random mutations that usually take millions of years to develop?

Random mutations need much, much longer times
No it does not
evolution has been Scientificly Documented with Various Species within the lifetime ( and to be more precise Acedemic lifetime ) of Scientist and reserchers
 
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evolution has been Scientificly Documented with Various Species within the lifetime ( and to be more precise Acedemic lifetime ) of Scientist and reserchers
Like said... if you believe that, then more power to you. But you are not different than any other believer. BTW the others have "documented" their beliefs too. Dogma is something that you are not allowed to question.
 
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Evolution is the process of successful mutation.

Mutation just brings new genes in. Selection decides which ones win out.


Which is impossible and paradoxical when you consider the odds.

No, not really. Not even close to really. A lot of selection has gone on over the last millions of years alone.
 
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Like said... if you believe that, then more power to you.

I do believe in the ability of people who've spent a lifetime on this to know more than me, yes.

I also do my own research to fact check and understand the theories, as I understand (from history ironically) recorded "fact" can be very very wrong (Columbus, anyone?)

You claim to do the same but I have honestly yet to see it. You see the difference? You have choosen the path you liked. I chose the path that has the most things add up.
 
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The question is...why are stupid people allowed to live and/or procreate? When will we evolve to that level? Ever?

Hint: Then "when" and "ever" are semi-rhetorical. The time will come. I'm just pissed off it's not sooner than later. Anywho...enjoy your stay while it lasts idiots!

Our current society and systems are actually very good at exponentially increasing the % of idiots and failing at natural selection ie. evolution, under the guise of humane and equal policies.. And ironically, even a great war is not a very good tool for natural selection, yet its the only way to radically reduce that number at some point in the future. And it gets worse, we're now even thinking of sending our best and brightest off-planet, to a Mars colony or something likewise.

Painful, I say.
 
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