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...and television resolutions are driven by broadcast mediums. Why buy something greater than 1080p if all that uses it is an occassional BD-DVD movie? Most people can't justify that expense unless the series they watch on a weekly basis supports it.

Come to think of it, gaming consoles might drive to higher resolution TVs than anything else.

Yes, due to the economics of part sharing. It is cheaper for them to build only 1920x1080 than build 1920x1200 for computer consumers and 1920x1080 for television consumers.

To the first point, DVD was expensive at one time. As production volume increased, and market penetration increased, pricing dropped. Players that started out at $500 rapidly became $50. Disks that were $50 dropped to $20.

Blu-ray is doing the same thing. I can buy a new disk at Walmart right not for between 20 and 30 dollars. Players still haven't largely broken the "cheap" gap, but they are occasionally on sale. Like it or not, Blu-ray penetration is a reality.

As Blu-ray is currently the most data intensive source, it stands to reason that manufacturers will use it as a rule. "Well, we can make monitors that are 1920x1080 in the 20" range. We could use the same technology to make monitors that are 40" big with 3840x2160." This logic holds, but the question stands, why?

As you stated, economics. It is cheaper to have one process than two. It is cheaper to have your most expensive component be interchangeable between computer monitors and consumer televisions. So yes, I agree that the economics drive this. The one economic limiter is Blu-ray, to which there is no successor and thus no reason to yet develop higher resolutions.


Video game systems are, whether you like it or not, not designed to push new TV sales. If you remember, Dead Rising had numerous people complain because the text was too small on a standard definition screen. These complaints hurt sales, rather than driving people to go out and purchase a new TV, so they could read the game text.

Likewise, its time to address the elephant in the room. The Wii sold how well? while everyone here would love to see the "hard core" games start to come back, the fiscal reality is that mediocre graphics, not even 720p from the wii, are acceptable to the average consumer. As such, video game systems will not drive resolution changes.


What we are left with is no reason to push for higher resolutions. There is a definite need for them in certain niche applications (medical, entertainment, etc...), but these niches have already subscribed to having very high pricing. Likewise, people who are on a budget do not want to spend massive amounts of money on a new system, when they have yet to functionally reach the limits of their current system.

Whenever TV moves forward, specifically whenever something exists to supercede Blu-ray, then monitors will move forward. As computer monitors are now linked with televisions, the two will stagnate in development. This is not horrible for the consumer, as further developments lead to decreased pricing. What it means for a resolution junkie is a plateau. Resolutions will continue to rise only when the TV demands more resolution.


So how does your carrot taste? I know yours are orange, but I've got this awesome variant that is still purple. The thrust of this is that you and I have the same underlying reasoning, but a different way to get there. Colors be damned, can't we just agree that the resolution for monitors isn't going to be changing any time soon?
 

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You're going way off topic.

BD-DVD = 21% of disk sales
DVD = 79% of disk sales

Disk sales overall falling as video-on-demand services boom.

More links:
http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/rep...short-of-expectations-even-as-prices-decline/
http://www.reelseo.com/dvd-sales-down-digital-delivery-up/


Display resolution innovations have always occured on computers first. The future will be no different making this whole emphasis on televisions moot.

Examples (4096x2160 professional/medical monitors):
http://www.eizo.com/global/products/duravision/fdh3601/
http://www.eyevis.de/index.php?article_id=51&clang=1

Remember, every console and video player to date conformed to ATSC/PAL standards, not the other way around. The only exception to that rule is 3D most likely because ATSC/PAL would never be extended to support it.

Colors be damned, can't we just agree that the resolution for monitors isn't going to be changing any time soon?
But it is. The TV/film industry be damned...as always. Just expect to use more than one cable and shell out a lot of money for it until some cheap revolution occurs. Pretty funny DisplayPort is already considered inadequate. :roll:
 
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I hope not, I have a 21.5" 1920 x 1080 display right now, and everything is way to small, text is pretty much unreadable. I have to run it at 1600 x 900 to make anything readable at any reasonable distance...

What you don't know is that you're HP Display is shitty if not then you have Bad eyes get your eyes checked, and if its your display then Replace it with any Dell 21.5 and see the big deference, to me HP are not good with displays
 
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Meh I am very happy with my old but reliable and great quality IBM Thinkvision 17" 1280x1024. Those new screens who have very high res and super high DPI make my sigh bad (I have poor eyesight).

I wouldn't choose a small screen and higher resolution screen for anything else but games/videos/movies, etc.
 

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What you don't know is that you're HP Display is shitty if not then you have Bad eyes get your eyes checked, and if its your display then Replace it with any Dell 21.5 and see the big deference, to me HP are not good with displays

What you don't know is that I had a Dell display before the HP, but it died. It wasn't any better. A 21.5" 1080p LCD 4-5 feet from your face is almost impossible to read small text on, even with good eyes. The text on webpages is ok, I can read this text I'm typing for instance, but reading a long article tends to strain the eyes, especially if the text is much smaller.
 
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What you don't know is that I had a Dell display before the HP, but it died. It wasn't any better. A 21.5" 1080p LCD 4-5 feet from your face is almost impossible to read small text on, even with good eyes. The text on webpages is ok, I can read this text I'm typing for instance, but reading a long article tends to strain the eyes, especially if the text is much smaller.

dude its your eyes, get them checked
 

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What you don't know is that I had a Dell display before the HP, but it died. It wasn't any better. A 21.5" 1080p LCD 4-5 feet from your face is almost impossible to read small text on, even with good eyes. The text on webpages is ok, I can read this text I'm typing for instance, but reading a long article tends to strain the eyes, especially if the text is much smaller.

Why don't you just make the windows text bigger through control panel



And put a zoom on webpages (ie: Chrome AutoZoom or wtv its called). I did this for when I sat to far from my screen, while easily able to switch to normal when I am closer. I have a 2048x1152 23" screen, and when I was close, I was max 2 feet away, when I was far I was the length of a twin bed away.

dude its your eyes, get them checked

He is 4-5 feet away dude. Learn to read and think before saying stupid stuff like that
 

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Why don't you just make the windows text bigger through control panel

http://img.techpowerup.org/111025/Capture054.png

And put a zoom on webpages (ie: Chrome AutoZoom or wtv its called). I did this for when I sat to far from my screen, while easily able to switch to normal when I am closer. I have a 2048x1152 23" screen, and when I was close, I was max 2 feet away, when I was far I was the length of a twin bed away.

How does this work with stuff like developer programs, Office, virtual systems and the like?
 
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Why don't you just make the windows text bigger through control panel

http://img.techpowerup.org/111025/Capture054.png

Doesn't that setting cause text cut off in some programs? I will try it too, thought, because at default, font is a bit small for me even in my display.
Why don't you just make the windows text bigger through control panel

http://img.techpowerup.org/111025/Capture054.png

And put a zoom on webpages (ie: Chrome AutoZoom or wtv its called). I did this for when I sat to far from my screen, while easily able to switch to normal when I am closer. I have a 2048x1152 23" screen, and when I was close, I was max 2 feet away, when I was far I was the length of a twin bed away.

You can set a minimum font size too in preferences->advanced->custom fonts or similar, without affecting images (unless you want to zoom them anyway). I don't know how is in Chrome but in Opera and Firefox you can zoom in and out with the + and - keys, seamlessly or with ctrl+mouse wheel.
 
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How does this work with stuff like developer programs, Office, virtual systems and the like?

I believe it works in them too. If it doesn't, many programs have their own font settings. I believe that the "Medium" 125% affects everything

Doesn't that setting cause text cut off in some programs? I will try it too, thought, because at default, font is a bit small for me even in my display.


You can set a minimum font size too in preferences->advanced->custom fonts or similar, without affecting images (unless you want to zoom them anyway). I don't know how is in Chrome but in Opera and Firefox you can zoom in and out with the + and - keys, seamlessly or with ctrl+mouse wheel.

It doesn't cut off unless you make it too big in my experience. It sometimes does make it 2 lines instead of one

In Chrome, the zoom doesn't stay. With AutoZoom you can set, say, 150%, and everything is zoomed 50% all the time. There are ways for it not to effect images and such, and there are ways to put a minimum font size, I just didn't bothers as most images were too small for me anyways, and the ones that were bigger I usually just zoomed out (ctrl mouse scroll or ctrl 0 etc)
 

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dude its your eyes, get them checked

No, it is the fact that most people don't find it comfortable to read large amounts of text that small at reasonable distances. The text on a 21" 1080p screen is roughly the same size as the text in a news paper. You hold a news paper at less than arms length to read it comfortably, the monitor on my desk is beyond arms length away from my face. Most people with good eyes would have a hard time reading large amounts of text that small that distance away. Reading a little text isn't the problem, but the strain on the eyes from reading large amounts of text is where the problem is. If the monitor was closer it wouldn't be a problem, but I'm one that puts the monitor at the very back edge of the desk to maximize desk space, and I tend to lean back in my chair when I'm reading long articles.

Why don't you just make the windows text bigger through control panel

http://img.techpowerup.org/111025/Capture054.png

And put a zoom on webpages (ie: Chrome AutoZoom or wtv its called). I did this for when I sat to far from my screen, while easily able to switch to normal when I am closer. I have a 2048x1152 23" screen, and when I was close, I was max 2 feet away, when I was far I was the length of a twin bed away.

Like I said, the problem with just raising the DPI is that is breaks some programs. It either makes the text go beyond the text fields and makes it unreadable, or it distorts everything so nothing lines up properly.

And what is the point of having a larger resolution, if I have to just make everything bigger anyway? I might as well just use a lower resolution, right?
 
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My personal fix for that: programs that break from DPI scaling are programs that I don't use.

Now, I don't scale on my 24" 1920x1200 which I have today, but did a couple years ago on my 17" 1920x1200. A bump in DPI was perfect for readability and the quality was noticeable. That last point is to answer to your question about increasing DPI as you increase resolution (relative to the size of the display).

As it's been mentioned, there's a limit to what eye can perceive. According to my VR teacher, it's around 4K (at the correct ratio of display size to viewing distance). So a valid point by those who said it, but we're not there yet.
 
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It doesn't cut off unless you make it too big in my experience. It sometimes does make it 2 lines instead of one

In Chrome, the zoom doesn't stay. With AutoZoom you can set, say, 150%, and everything is zoomed 50% all the time. There are ways for it not to effect images and such, and there are ways to put a minimum font size, I just didn't bothers as most images were too small for me anyways, and the ones that were bigger I usually just zoomed out (ctrl mouse scroll or ctrl 0 etc)

I tried it, you are right, none programs showed cut off text now wrap here, but anything on screen (icons, taskbar, start menu, etc), is bigger, seems the resolution has been lowered, the benefit of that is don't blur with non native resolutions :)


Thanks I didn't knew that these extension can memorize zoom, would be useful here :)
 

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My personal fix for that: programs that break from DPI scaling are programs that I don't use.

Some of us don't have the luxtury of just not using a program if it doesn't work properly with DPI scaling.
 
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Could you give a example?

I take a hard stance on it and give comments to developers in hope that they take it into consideration with future projects. However small a difference, I try to do whatever I can to mitigate roadblocks such as this.
 
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When the text is to small I just use Ctrl and scroll wheel to zoom in. But I as well use a 1080p 21.5" that is about 1.7 arms away and it can be hard at times.
 
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I rather see 21:9 monitors with a slight panoramic curve to them
 
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Soon maybe next year, increase in resolutions,????

Check out this post
http://www.techpowerup.com/155619/S...s-Laptops-Coming-In-2012-Thanks-To-Apple.html

"So, could this trend also rub off on desktop monitors, perhaps making 2048 x 1152 desktop monitors commonplace and inexpensive? It seems quite possible. The market has been stuck at a Full HD resolution for a while now and it's about time we saw a significant resolution jump."
 
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That's hardly a significant jump...
 
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There is no market or demand until they start to push new techs. The average person cant afford to buy high resolution displays with new panel technologies and they aren't produced in large enough volumes to push prices down. Im also guessing right now its expensive to produce said displays.

Its all good and well saying yuck i hate 1080p but where is the content? 1080p isnt even fully utilized.
 

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i can't be the only one here who still prefers disks:laugh:

i have no idea why you complain about speed, so long as you can watch the movie/listen to the music isn't the speed high enough for you?

only application for USB drives would be things like computer programs where they exist for the sole purpose of transferring information (installing windows or a program)
I'm with you there. The only time I have ever scratched up a disc was when I got the BF1942 warchest for christmas many years ago. It came with some crappy cardboard sleeves that were hell on discs. All my PS1 games still work!

I was taught at a young age to care for discs properly... one thing I can thank my dad for.
 
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