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The New EVGA Dual GTX 560 Ti That Thinks It's A GTX 585

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#26
BF3 uses over 2GB VRAM
I have my video card info up on my G510 LCD while playing and on Ultra settings I never see over 1100MB, I'm not sure where 2GB comes from. Maybe at higher resolutions, but this card is for higher framerates more that higher resolutions, IMO.
 
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WTF GTX 585 ?? and with only 1 GB of V-ram ?

its useless card, and they market it for surround gamer ?
 
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I have my video card info up on my G510 LCD while playing and on Ultra settings I never see over 1100MB, I'm not sure where 2GB comes from. Maybe at higher resolutions, but this card is for higher framerates more that higher resolutions, IMO.
but its crazy if you buy >$400 GPU just to play games in low resolution and medium detail?
 
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Umm ill keep my 480s for now im still waiting for the next top end GPU to come out no new yet.
 
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EVGA fail. Powercolor at least made it 2GB for the 6870X2.
 
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meh..its a nice card, don't get me wrong. But, only 1GB VRAM? :shadedshu
And then you see GeForce GTS 510 with 2GB of VRAM...
 
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Umm ill keep my 480s for now im still waiting for the next top end GPU to come out no new yet.
My 470's say the same thing, I have yet to find a game they didn't work well in.
 

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All I got to say, it's such a shocker that 2 lower end GPU's are faster than one expensive GPU... This has been true forever, even dual 5770's were faster than any single card that was out at the time and thats a midranged card. All their advertisements make it seem like such a shock that the dual GPU setup is so fast.
 
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There are some very big problems with this card, according to PCPerspective (1 and 2):

1. The card requires an SLI certified motherboard, even if it's going to occupy just one PCIe 16x slot. This is because it's not an nVidia approved product, and there is no special profile for it in the official driver. This means that you could buy two GTX560Ti's and put them in SLI for about the same price (even cheaper).

2. The SLI bridge connector isn't really functional, they just didn't care to remove it in the production model. This is because the GTX560Ti ONLY has ONE SLI connector, and the driver thinks it's already in use. You can ONLY put two 560's in SLI.

3. Missed opportunity. 1GB RAM = FAIL.

4. Why in the world would you buy this (except the 3 monitor setups), when you can have one GTX580 for a bit less money and without the microstuttering and without any of the other multi-GPU issues. You could even get a 3GB GTX580 for about the same money, and have a sublime gaming experience, even on 2560x1600.

5. Because "Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).

6. See 5.
 
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There are some very big problems with this card, according to PCPerspective (1 and 2):

1. The card requires an SLI certified motherboard, even if it's going to occupy just one PCIe 16x slot. This is because it's not an nVidia approved product, and there is no special profile for it in the official driver. This means that you could buy two GTX560Ti's and put them in SLI for about the same price (even cheaper).

2. The SLI bridge connector isn't really functional, they just didn't care to remove it in the production model. This is because the GTX560Ti ONLY has ONE SLI connector, and the driver thinks it's already in use. You can ONLY put two 560's in SLI.

3. Missed opportunity. 1GB RAM = FAIL.

4. Why in the world would you buy this (except the 3 monitor setups), when you can have one GTX580 for a bit less money and without the microstuttering and without any of the other multi-GPU issues. You could even get a 3GB GTX580 for about the same money, and have a sublime gaming experience, even on 2560x1600.

5. Because "Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).

6. See 5.
Agree @ 100% with you.

This is the way that EVGA manage to "sell" the 560 ti PCB´s they have in stock.
In a few weeks time the new 560 is here, and everyone will stop buying the old version unless the price [old model] really drop´s.

"Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).
Wait for the new 560
 

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evga we make mid range dual gpu's
asus we make high end dual gpu's
You've somewhat missed the point. The MARS II is also nerfed for VRAM - only 1.5GB per GPU, which will be swallowed quickly at the kind of resolutions that people will use a dual GTX580 for. I've seen >1.5GB VRAM usage a few times at 2560x1600, so can only assume multi-monitor will be much worse.

Am glad I'm not the only one who thinks of this (and the GTX460 2win) as a missed opportunity, especially due to VRAM...

Even worse when you can buy two 6950 2GB cards for the same money, which would be faster, and not have the VRAM limitation issue.

The only purpose of this card is if you want a fast single-lane card if you've got an MATX setup or something. Even then, a 6970 or GTX580 would be better suited...
 
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From http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...-geforce-gtx-560-ti-2win-dual-gpu-review.html

"There is also an SLI connector but since quad SLI isn’t supported for the GTX 560 Ti in NVIDIA’s driver stack, there is currently no way to run two of these cards in parallel for additional performance."
Exactly what I thought when I saw this. They came out with the dualie 460s and sure enough, could not SLI because they already were in an SLI mode on the same board. Think one of those even had a connector left on despite that.

Gah, this has been my argument about NV's choices with the Fermis. Why the 104 and 114s couldn't be more than dual SLI, especially in X2 setups. Both are beautiful chips. 104 was enough to make me switch back from ATI boards. Maybe they are afraid of them attracting too much attention away from their high end chips. The 104s really set NV back on track. Before them, I wasn't even close to considering a NV board again. I guess if they had quad options then, it would have made the GF100s rather pointless outside of major enthusiasts.
 
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*NOTE*** "CAN give you the performance 2Win!!"

What they need to do is release a card that is shown and proven, in multiple setups that it really does have great dual GPU performance, and you do not need to have the selected hardware and tweaks to actually be a Win. I might be wrong though, express the criticism :)
It's 30% faster (first slide) not two times faster. I think 2Win stands for more fps to avoid lag.

WTF GTX 585 ?? and with only 1 GB of V-ram ?

its useless card, and they market it for surround gamer ?
EVGA fail. Powercolor at least made it 2GB for the 6870X2.
1GB RAM per GPU. 1+1=2. Are you
?

There are some very big problems with this card, according to PCPerspective (1 and 2):

1. The card requires an SLI certified motherboard, even if it's going to occupy just one PCIe 16x slot. This is because it's not an nVidia approved product, and there is no special profile for it in the official driver. This means that you could buy two GTX560Ti's and put them in SLI for about the same price (even cheaper).

2. The SLI bridge connector isn't really functional, they just didn't care to remove it in the production model. This is because the GTX560Ti ONLY has ONE SLI connector, and the driver thinks it's already in use. You can ONLY put two 560's in SLI.

3. Missed opportunity. 1GB RAM = FAIL.

4. Why in the world would you buy this (except the 3 monitor setups), when you can have one GTX580 for a bit less money and without the microstuttering and without any of the other multi-GPU issues. You could even get a 3GB GTX580 for about the same money, and have a sublime gaming experience, even on 2560x1600.

5. Because "Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).

6. See 5.
3.: See above. Other is lalala.

You've somewhat missed the point. The MARS II is also nerfed for VRAM - only 1.5GB per GPU, which will be swallowed quickly at the kind of resolutions that people will use a dual GTX580 for. I've seen >1.5GB VRAM usage a few times at 2560x1600, so can only assume multi-monitor will be much worse.
Still better than 2GB per GPU.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1691/1/
 

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Yeah but remember, in SLI/Cfx configuration the VRAM does not add, it mirrors, if you have a pair of 2GB VGA you'll have a total of 2GB anyway! :)
This is not true in With Radeon multi GPU hi res/multi monitor situations any longer. I discovered this when I purchased monitors for my Eyefinity setup. I was fully resigned to having to replace my 4 x 5850's as they were all 1GB models. while I waited for my 4x 6970's to arrive I setup Eyefinity and was surprised that all games ran high/enthusiast /ultra etc wonderfully with the quartet of 1 Gb GPU's. I noticed that coming out of a game/3D mode a flash of a checkerboard pattern that turned out to be because the GPU's had changed from AFR rendering method to 'supertiling' I called AMD and was told by an "upper Teir" tech that the drivers determine the rendering method based on demand of the game/application and in supertile mode, each GPU has access to all of the available Vram. He likened it to a '' memory pool" so in essence the vram on each card is not duplicating it's content.
I realize that getting reliable information by calling these guys is a no mean feat, however the fact that running a game like metro 2033 (and others)on very high on 1GB cards @ 5760 x 1080 res is simply not doable unless more buffer is available lends credence to the AMD techs explanation.
 
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SMH why not actually improve cards instead of just adding dual gpu crap.....
A.) Cost millions of dollars in research and development to develop a new GPU.
B.) Takes many months, sometimes years to develop a GPU.
C.) New GPUs require a new marketing campaign which requires money.
D.) Consumers don’t need a more powerful GPU because the market is flooded with powerful and cheap GPUs already.
E.) Its cheaper to slap on another GPU on the PCB, manufacturing overheads are very cheap and efficient.
F.) Instantly improve performance.
H.) EVGA want to sell video cards, they are not going to wait for Nvidia to develop a new GPU.
I.) Like CPUs, we are hitting a performance wall hence the need for multi core processing and multithreading. Same with GPUs, we are hitting the performance wall, so adding more GPUs is the way around it.

Like with CPUs, expect GPUs performance to stagnate and for multi GPUs to become the norm.
 
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#43
Ive been waiting for this since we saw the dual GPU GTX460's float around, but damn EVGA why so late to the party?

these shouldhave been at least announced no later than 2 weeks after the GTX560 Ti launched, and shouldhave been on the market no later than 2-3 months after the 560Ti was out. this is too little too late and most people that want 560 Ti SLi have done it already or will still do it for cheaper.

it shits me that they smear vram on low end cards that don't need it (say 1gb when it needs 512mb) and even over endow anemic GPUs with quadruple the realistically useable memory... and they can't give this card 4gb for its price.

make it 4gb total, charge a solid $100 over GTX580 MSRP and they will sell.... well maybe not now, still too little too late imo
 

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but its crazy if you buy >$400 GPU just to play games in low resolution and medium detail?
I'm not talking low resolution, I'm talking the most common resolution used today 1080p. Yes, some might be using higher resolutions, but even then the card probably won't bog down that much due to 1GB of memory in most modern games. I've never even seen BF3 on ultra settings break 1024MB actually at 1080p.

And as the marketing says, the card has the framerate to win. I think people with 1080p 120Hz monitors would be very interested in this card for 3DVisison to achieve the 120FPS they need. At 1080p they are more likely to get 120FPS with this card than a GTX580.

There are some very big problems with this card, according to PCPerspective (1 and 2):

1. The card requires an SLI certified motherboard, even if it's going to occupy just one PCIe 16x slot. This is because it's not an nVidia approved product, and there is no special profile for it in the official driver. This means that you could buy two GTX560Ti's and put them in SLI for about the same price (even cheaper).

2. The SLI bridge connector isn't really functional, they just didn't care to remove it in the production model. This is because the GTX560Ti ONLY has ONE SLI connector, and the driver thinks it's already in use. You can ONLY put two 560's in SLI.

3. Missed opportunity. 1GB RAM = FAIL.

4. Why in the world would you buy this (except the 3 monitor setups), when you can have one GTX580 for a bit less money and without the microstuttering and without any of the other multi-GPU issues. You could even get a 3GB GTX580 for about the same money, and have a sublime gaming experience, even on 2560x1600.
1.) You don't need a SLI certified motherboard. Not that this would be a big deal, considering every high end board has SLI(and if your buying a $500 graphics card, you better not be putting it in a sub-$100 motherboard, or I'll beat you). But besides that, you don't need an SLI certified motherboard, because just like the GTX460 2win, and GTX590, the PCB uses a nf200 chip to split the PCI-E lanes between the two GPUs. The presence of the nf200 takes care of the need for an SLi certified board.

2.) I don't see why this is a big problem, yes its there, but eVGA tells you it isn't functional. So big deal, you can't 4-way it thanks to nVidia's driver model.

3.) As I already stated, not really. Plenty of people are running SLI GTX560's right now, and I'm sure their are damn happy with them, even with only 1GB of VRAM. The cards scale wonderfully, and if you are after 3D, then this is the card to have, even with 1GB of VRAM. And everyone complaining about only 1GB of VRAM should read the reviews. Even at 2560x1600 w/ Ultra settings in the games, the GTX560 2Win outperforms the GTX580, usually buy a substantial amount. The only time really the GTX560 2Win drops behind the GTX580 is in BF3 w/ Ultra settings and MSAA cranked up, and at that point even the GTX580 is running at unplayable framerates, so that is kind of a useless data point.

4.) Why would people buy this? Well, because the marketing says it is better than the GTX580. And if you don't believe the marking(and you shouldn't) the reviews say so also. Even at 2560x1600, there wasn't a single game in any of the reviews where the GTX560 2win lost to the GTX580. So for the same price, or a few bucks more depending, you get better performance. That is why people will buy them.
 
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And as the marketing says, the card has the framerate to win. I think people with 1080p 120Hz monitors would be very interested in this card for 3DVisison to achieve the 120FPS they need. At 1080p they are more likely to get 120FPS with this card than a GTX580.
Duh, yeah!

I recently got myself a 120Hz 1080p monitor as a second screen, as you might know. Now, while I've got the graphics card to hit 120Hz consistently in most situations, I don't have the processor, lol. My aging E8500 @ 4.11GHz definitely doesn't have enough horsepower to run all the latest games at that framerate. And it's very easy to check: I just run the problem scene at 1024x768 and the framerate doesn't improve. This is the major excuse reason why I'm gonna be upgrading soon, when SB-E comes out and I know what I want to spend my money on and how much to spend on it.
 

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#46
Don't care if it has 512mb, 1gb, 2gb or 5gb of vram...

I want three of them folding in my rig!

HHHmmmm, 25k ppd per card...
 
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A.)
D.) Consumers don’t need a more powerful GPU because the market is flooded with powerful and cheap GPUs already.
E.) Its cheaper to slap on another GPU on the PCB, manufacturing overheads are very cheap and efficient.
F.) Instantly improve performance.
H.) EVGA want to sell video cards, they are not going to wait for Nvidia to develop a new GPU.
I.) Like CPUs, we are hitting a performance wall hence the need for multi core processing and multithreading. Same with GPUs, we are hitting the performance wall, so adding more GPUs is the way around it.

Like with CPUs, expect GPUs performance to stagnate and for multi GPUs to become the norm.
D.wtf?
E. yas it is, thats why AMD use dual GPU on their flagship card.
F. true, its really inconsistent
H. wtf??
I. no, just no. GPU already have thousands "core" in it. the reason AMD use multi-GPU for their flagship is to make it cheaper and faster to produce
 
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#48
Should have gave it more memory.
 
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#49
I don't know that the article that you site demonstrates that. In the only situation where the Asus Mars is unplayable, the 2GB per GPU 6990 outperforms it by some margin.

Given the increasing popularity of very high resolutions, the decision of how much memory to put on cards is a difficult one, especially for bang-for-buck champions like a 560TiX2 - GDDR5 isn't exactly cheap, and for most of us most of the time 1GB is plenty. How long into the future this will remain the case is very debatable, however.

What would appear to be an easy decision is whether to fit 3GB per GPU to a card aimed at ultra-high resolution gamers who will pay whatever you ask. The Mars II rather remarkably having less memory than the Mars I and Ares might well make it a fairly short lived investment for those that forked out.