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#26
T77. i really wished i had a tempest cause of the water cooling loop. the M59 is not setup for water at all. it is a great case for air but when i bought it, i was running a Tuniq Tower

*EDIT*

BTW johnny what type of tubing do you use and were did you get it?
Yeah well you still made it work:) I bet your ambient temps and pretty good because you can't put on your side panel.


I think Johnny said they were the Primo Flex 7/16" ID tubing.
 

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#27
Naa i got my side panel on. i cut out the small grill on the right side of the back of the case to run the hoses through
 
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#28
johnnyfiive, I think you've got a nice looking rig there. The dominant black and white is something I don't often see in custom computers. Nice work.
 
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#29
TPU's NZXT Case Review section has been added! :)
 
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#30
I have gotten myself a black/blue Rogue last year. Mini-review:

Pros:
- Space for a long gfx card
- Full ATX PSU in a mATX case
- The carrying handle OWNS for lan parties
- Moddable (you can screw out the HDD/DVD bays) though I haven't done much to it yet.

Cons:
- Fan mounting holes are flimsy
- PSU on top is not ideal if you like to work in your case frequently.
- Lots of screws.
 
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#31

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#32
look what I've just received:


I'll be doing some cm on my tempest for a few hours and then I'll show you the results, wish me luck:laugh:
 
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#33
Very nice Evo!

I'll shoot up some pics of my Hades when I get home - Just got done modding it for custom watercooling on my i7.
 

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#34
I have gotten myself a black/blue Rogue last year. Mini-review:

Pros:
- Space for a long gfx card
- Full ATX PSU in a mATX case
- The carrying handle OWNS for lan parties
- Moddable (you can screw out the HDD/DVD bays) though I haven't done much to it yet.

Cons:
- Fan mounting holes are flimsy
- PSU on top is not ideal if you like to work in your case frequently.
- Lots of screws.
mine comes in today :D :D :D :D :D

im going to try and change the blue led's to red though.
 
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#35
look what I've just received:
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05712.jpg

I'll be doing some cm on my tempest for a few hours and then I'll show you the results, wish me luck:laugh:
NICE! I want to get the 24pin, are they good quality? Good luck on the cable management and take your time.;) It will pay off and look awesome!

Very nice Evo!

I'll shoot up some pics of my Hades when I get home - Just got done modding it for custom watercooling on my i7.
Sweet! I wanna see the Hades with a water setup!:toast:

mine comes in today :D :D :D :D :D

im going to try and change the blue led's to red though.
Your stoked!:rockout: Red led mod would look sick!
 
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#37
My NZXT BETA EVO Classic case.





And what it does for a living!:D



MB: MSI K9A2 Platinum Processor: AMD Phenom 9950 Memory: G.SKILL 4GB DDR2-1066 Cooling: XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V
Video: (2) GTX 260 video cards PSU: NZXT 800W PSU OS: Windows 7 64-bit
 
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#38
Nice case Msgclb, I can see you're a person of exquisite taste :toast:

Welcome to the club
 
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#39
Hello NZXT Clubhouse! Here goes my NZXT BETA Evo Classic too:

Main Purpose: Cruncher / Media and printer server
CPU: Q8400 @ ~3.3GHz
Mobo: Asus P5KPL-AM SE
RAM: 4GB (2x2) OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066MHz

(This case will house my upcoming upgrade to i7. Should have a decent camera by then to make it justice :laugh:)





 

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#40
My NZXT Panzerbox!









More pictures here
 
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#42
I've sold most of the cases on that list, can I get in:roll:

Nice little user specific clubhouse;)
 
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#43
Hello NZXT Clubhouse! Here goes my NZXT BETA Evo Classic too:

Main Purpose: Cruncher / Media and printer server
CPU: Q8400 @ ~3.3GHz
Mobo: Asus P5KPL-AM SE
RAM: 4GB (2x2) OCZ Platinum DDR2 1066MHz

(This case will house my upcoming upgrade to i7. Should have a decent camera by then to make it justice :laugh:)

http://img.techpowerup.org/100213/P130210_23.250001.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/100213/P130210_23.260001.jpg

http://img.techpowerup.org/100214/cruncher01.jpg
Welcome KieX, thanks for confirming through pm. I don't know how I missed this post:eek: anyway that's a sweet Beta cruncher you have there:) that cooler looks massive.
 
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#44
Welcome KieX, thanks for confirming through pm. I don't know how I missed this post:eek: anyway that's a sweet Beta cruncher you have there:) that cooler looks massive.
Stealth WIN! :laugh: Yup, the TRUE dwarfs the mATX board
 
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#45

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#46
yes, I finished some days ago, but I don't have my camera, I'll post the pictures as soon as I get it back from my sister
 

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#47
I finally got back my camera, so here are the photos

this is the original messy state of my tempest


this is after installing a megahalems and turning the PSU to improve cable management, but without a breathing hole it run a bit too hot


this is the two holes I did for the PSU and an other to improve overall airflow


here you can see the hole for the CPU power NZXT cable, I know it's crap but I don't have the necesary tools to do it better, however it plays its role perfectly...


here's the result of the cable management without the mobo. Paintwork is not perfect, but you wouldn't be seeing that without the flash of my camera


almost done...


done at last!!


this is what you can see from the bottom, I know there are a lot of scraches, but no one gona ever see that (except you lot:roll:)


this is the NZXT CPU power cable, nice isn't it?


and this is my "cave", or that's how my mom calls it....
 
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#48
I finally got back my camera, so here are the photos

this is the original messy state of my tempest
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05532.jpg

this is after installing a megahalems and turning the PSU to improve cable management, but without a breathing hole it run a bit too hot
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05540.jpg

this is the two holes I did for the PSU and an other to improve overall airflow
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05713.jpg

here you can see the hole for the CPU power NZXT cable, I know it's crap but I don't have the necesary tools to do it better, however it plays its role perfectly...
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05714.jpg

here's the result of the cable management without the mobo. Paintwork is not perfect, but you wouldn't be seeing that without the flash of my camera
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05715.jpg

almost done...
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05716.jpg

done at last!!
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05717.jpg

this is what you can see from the bottom, I know there are a lot of scraches, but no one gona ever see that (except you lot:roll:)
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05719.jpg

this is the NZXT CPU power cable, nice isn't it?
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05768.jpg

and this is my "cave", or that's how my mom calls it....
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac353/EvolvA/DSC05769.jpg
That is a HUGE improvement, good work! :toast: I also quite love your Sharingan theme, noticed the Mangekyō on the side panel fan plate too. :laugh:
 

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#49
That is a HUGE improvement, good work! :toast: I also quite love your Sharingan theme, noticed the Amaterasu on the side panel fan plate too. :laugh:
thanks, it's not as smooth as some of your builds but that is as much as I can do with my current setup. the idea of the sharingan came to me after painting the side grill black (I didn't like the original silver color) and it turned out to be really nice:)
 
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#50
Just noticed you are living in Madrid, eres español? Also, where do you buy computer parts from where you live? Going to live in Coruña in a couple years so, would be nice to know where to get things from.