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alexp999

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Benchmark Scores 3DM06: 19519, Vantage: P16170 ~ Win7: -CPU 7.5 -MEM 7.5 -AERO 7.9 -GFX 6.0 -HDD 6.0
I wonder if W1zz could tell us our actual post count not just registered post count. I have over 500 posts in the Asus P45 club which dont count :laugh:
 

Wile E

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I wonder if W1zz could tell us our actual post count not just registered post count. I have over 500 posts in the Asus P45 club which dont count :laugh:

lol. I don't even want to imagine what mine would be. :roll:
 
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Lol you have too much already o_O
 

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You should have like 4 custom titles and a watermark when you post with that many :roll:
 

Ketxxx

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Twice the age of what you are then, hows that feel? :p
 

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I joined up to learn how to mod my 9800PRO to an XT. Hard to believe I have been a member this long here. Only forum I had joined earlier were the Aquamark3 forums.
 

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Cooling Xigmatek Dark Knight w/AC MX2 ~ Case Fans: 2 x 180mm + 1 x 120mm Silverstone Fans
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Video Card(s) XFX GTX 285 1GB, Modded FTW BIOS @ 725/1512/1350 w/Accelero Xtreme GTX 280 + Scythe sinks| ATI X1250
Storage 2x WD6400AAKS 1 TB Raid 0, 140GB Raid 1 & 80GB Maxtor Basics External HDD (storage) | 160GB 2.5"
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I wonder if it possible to find out our first ever posts....

I know I was a bit of a noob back then :laugh:
 

Ketxxx

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That would be cool, but I don't think w1z keeps databases THAT old :p
 
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I know where my was in the original old folks thread lol. :p

Cant remember who it was (Widjaja) who reponded but he thought the girl in my avvy was my daughter :shadedshu it was my gf at the time.
 
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Ketxxx

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lol :D Must be a comforting feeling knowing some random person on a forum you never met before in your life ws perving over your gf :p
 
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I either looked super old or her super young either way lol.
 

Ketxxx

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Video Card(s) Powercolor 6800XT Red Devil
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lol I'd vote the former :D :p
 
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Edited previous post lol.
 
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I joined after I bought an Opty 165 from a TPU member, and they suggested I come here for overclocking advice. Damn, That seems like a decade ago.
 

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I know that I was lurking for quite some time before I joined. Can't remember the exact reason I decided to become part of the community. Heck I'm so old I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. :D
 

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I've been on the site since summer of '06. Got to know W1zz, all the original staff (still miss Ben). Only joined the forums on a dare, and since I've been coming here for about 3 years daily, I post. So much has changed.. I feel proud to know that. This place is special, to anyone who wonders why they're drawn here. Maybe this year I'll finally leave.
 

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Cooling Xigmatek Dark Knight w/AC MX2 ~ Case Fans: 2 x 180mm + 1 x 120mm Silverstone Fans
Memory 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-8000 @ 1000Mhz 5-5-5-15 2.1v | 2 x 1GB DDR2 667 MHz
Video Card(s) XFX GTX 285 1GB, Modded FTW BIOS @ 725/1512/1350 w/Accelero Xtreme GTX 280 + Scythe sinks| ATI X1250
Storage 2x WD6400AAKS 1 TB Raid 0, 140GB Raid 1 & 80GB Maxtor Basics External HDD (storage) | 160GB 2.5"
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Ketxxx

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Ahh that was eons ago... even back then I was asking difficult questions it seems lol.
 
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Somethings never change hey Ket :D
 

Ketxxx

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Video Card(s) Powercolor 6800XT Red Devil
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Display(s) 27" BenQ Mobiuz
Case NZXT Phantom 530
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar DX 7.1 PCI-E
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Nothing ever truely changes, but perspectives do ;)
 

DaMulta

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Who are you people?
 
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I was looking through the post seen trog havnt seen em around for a while.
 
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It looks like November is a popular month to join. I'm reading through the forums multiple times every day, but I usually only post when I think there's something that needs to be said.

Edit: At least it looked popular from some of the people on the first page.
 

WarEagleAU

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Same for me Wile E. I came here because of an article in both Maximum PC and CPU magazine for the X800 GTo to X850XT PE mod and the gpu-z program ( I Think that was what it was, I could be wrong )
 
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