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not multiple fans at the same time.
That's for the individual user to decide.
Not all installations will have room for a fan above the cooler, for example.
Again, that's for the user to decide.
This cooler is designed for low airflow
No, it's designed for massive cooling capacity with passive cooling as a focus, but not exclusive focus.
the flow from two fans in series is the same as the flow from one fan.
That statement contradicts known science about propelled airflow dynamics.
And the lower your surface area relative to the mass, thermal conductivity and heat output, the less useful an increase in airflow is likely to be.
Part of the flaw in your postulation is that you assume there is not a great deal of surface area to radiate heat from. Simply looking at the subject heatsink conclusively answers that question.
 
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Sorry for any confusion I created, I only meant a PASSIVE cooler as Noctua is advertising running in Push-Pull was so thick with irony, I thought it was good for a giggle. :)

Wasn't really analyzing/considering or recommending anyone use that configuration, although @lexluthermiester - Push-Pull might be amazing with (2) fans tuned to the same low rpms.

I'm already planning on using my current Noctua Industrial 140mm PWM at around 700-750rpm, simply laying it on top with (2) silicon fan grommets keeping it from sliding forward, since my test bench is setting at 45degrees angle down.

Attempting right now to find the TOP dimensions of the NH-P1 to see just how much overhang I'll have using the 140mm fan. I'll try to place that 10mm or so of overhang over the DDR4 kit.

I'm just reusing this fan from my current Noctua NH-C14 setup (pic below) :)

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Ok, so the top dimensions are 158mm x 154mm so it's virtually a square with the width of the heatpipes added. So I believe I'll mount the NH-P1 with the heatpipes rising from the base adjacent to the DDR4 modules and overhang the 140mm fan about 5mm-10mm (not much) over the memory. :)
 
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That's for the individual user to decide.

Again, that's for the user to decide.

No, it's designed for massive cooling capacity with passive cooling as a focus, but not exclusive focus.

That statement contradicts known science about propelled airflow dynamics.

Part of the flaw in your postulation is that you assume there is not a great deal of surface area to radiate heat from. Simply looking at the heatsink in question conclusively answers that question.
... sigh. I mean, are you on a bad-faith arguing bender these past weeks? It's obviously for the user to decide. It's for the user to decide if they want to use their TG-covered case as an actual aquarium too. What is possible and what works well are not the same. Saying that isn't an argument for anything at all, which I really expected you to recognize yourself.

And it is designed for massive passive or semi-passive cooling. It launched alongside a low-rpm, semi-passive version of the NF-A12x25, that stops entirely at 0% pwm. That's what it's meant to be paired with. Will it work with any other fan? Of course. Will it benefit much from a much faster fan? Probably not all that much. Noctua's materials covering it go into great detail on its capabilities in terms of cooling, and they are plenty clear on it not being able to handle high heat loads and massive boost clocks. For example, they say it's compatible passive with an 11900K - as long as you're fine with it throttling a bit (below base clock). Their compatibility chart lists it as 1/3 in terms of handling boost clocks for the 11900K when paired with the NF-A12x25 LS-PWM - i.e. that it can handle it, but not its full boost over time, and definitely not overclocked. Passively it will throttle. They go into great detail on which CPUs and APUs they recommend for it, most of which are low(ish) power - because that's the most reasonable use case. On the same scale, the NH-D15 is listed as 3/3 boost handling on every supported CPU. Despite it being 200g lighter without the fans. So, more mass doesn't help you unless you also have the surface area to go with it. To dissipate heat efficiently, you need as much surface area as possible. This cooler is explicitly designed with less surface area through having fewer fins, which is beneficial for passive cooling but detrimental to active cooling, as fans would easily overcome the flow impedance from twice as many fins.

So: why do common air coolers benefit a lot from better fans? Because they are dense and restrictive, and need the fans to overcome that restriction to create flow. That's also why more fans are better, as their pressure adds up, while flow velocity does not (unless restricted). The only significant increase in airflow seen from going from one fan to two stems from those fans better overcoming the flow restriction inherent to the system. Which means that for a low restriction system, the benefit from two fans will be far less than in a high restriction system.

And yes, I assume there isn't a lot of surface area. Why? Because the cooler has thirteen fins. Thirteen. Count them! The D15 on the other hand has 45 fins per tower. Yes, those fins are far, far smaller, but there are nearly seven times as many of them, meaning in sum it has more surface area. Likely quite a lot more. But it's a poor passive cooler due to those fins being stacked tightly. I mean, this really shouldn't be difficult to understand. I never said the NH-P1 didn't have a decent surface area. If it didn't, it wouldn't work at all. But it doesn't have the combination of surface area and flow restriction that benefits from more forced airflow.
 
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Looks like the NH-P1 arrives with a TORX driver, that's very cool.

Getting excited, hoping for some good results and I don't plan on ever running Prime 95 with an overclocked 11600K with this heatsink, but then I never use Prime 95 for any reason anyway, so no loss there. :)

Yea, not too many fins and I'm guessing heat does not lift away as efficiently from the thicker fins like it would from Noctua's standard coolers, so tomorrow should be very interesting.

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I mean, are you on a bad-faith arguing bender these past weeks?
Not at all. Don't take this personally.

Why? Because the cooler has thirteen fins. Thirteen. Count them!
Yes, 13 very large, thick fins with huge surface area each on both sides. Lots of cooling potential.

Looks like the NH-P1 arrives with a TORX driver, that's very cool.
Seems like it comes with a set of fan brackets too!
 
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So it's ok to use the Noctua NH-P1 with the 11600K Rocket Lake CPU with a fan, yet under no circumstances do they recommend using Coffee Lake, either 8086K or 8700K, with or without a fan. "Cooler cannot handle base clock".

I thought the opposite would be true. Oh man. :laugh:

Why can't you just use the 8700K/8086K with SpeedStep enabled in bios? Both those CPUs idle way down at 800Mhz even with a healthy overclock applied. :rolleyes:

Here's the NH-P1 compatibility page: https://ncc.noctua.at/coolers/NH-P1-68/cpus

My 11600K and Maximus XIII Apex both received the compatibility green light for GO! I'm still going to be careful. :)



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Sweet! :)

I got one of those right under this heatsink below, 8microseconds QD1 latency. lol, but mine's only 32GB capacity, use it for testing new parts and Win10 installs.


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I was in the mood for a fun little photo dump with the L12, L12S, redux fans and board that came in, but when I opened up the coolers I was greeted with this:

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What the fuck is this?

Post-pandemic Noctua have done lost their fucking minds if they think this is acceptable quality for $70 Noctua coolers. Especially since I have a direct comparison in the form of another L12S that I had earlier this year that wasn't bent to all hell like all 3 of these are.

The one on the right was relatively mild, so I was able to gently coax it into looking somewhat normal, but the other two are just plain embarrassing. I might keep the okay one because if I have to wait another week for another Amazon replacement (which the one of the left ALREADY WAS for the one on the right) I may as well just give up on doing these two L5 and HT5 builds.

U9B SE2, D9L, L9a, L9i, L9x65, L9x65 SE-AM4, U9S, C14S, L12S......I don't think I've ever seen anything quite this appalling in 8 years of Noctua products. Haven't been this mad in a long time.
 
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Following that link I looked up both socket 2011 and 1366, both are supported but the 1366 needs a mounting kit, provided free of charge. Very nice support level IMHO.

Want a good laugh? Check this out;
Even with a Noctua fan, don't bother with Bulldozer..

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You might have been on to something to a degree.
 
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I was in the mood for a fun little photo dump with the L12, L12S, redux fans and board that came in, but when I opened up the coolers I was greeted with this:

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What the fuck is this?

Post-pandemic Noctua have done lost their fucking minds if they think this is acceptable quality for $70 Noctua coolers. Especially since I have a direct comparison in the form of another L12S that I had earlier this year that wasn't bent to all hell like all 3 of these are.

The one on the right was relatively mild, so I was able to gently coax it into looking somewhat normal, but the other two are just plain embarrassing. I might keep the okay one because if I have to wait another week for another Amazon replacement (which the one of the left ALREADY WAS for the one on the right) I may as well just give up on doing these two L5 and HT5 builds.

U9B SE2, D9L, L9a, L9i, L9x65, L9x65 SE-AM4, U9S, C14S, L12S......I don't think I've ever seen anything quite this appalling in 8 years of Noctua products. Haven't been this mad in a long time.

Looks like a big heavy Noctua Austrian dude (probably on his lunchbreak) just sat right down on them and crushed them. :eek:

Send them ALL back to Amazon, they pay return shipping - no questions asked. :rockout:

If my NH-P1 looks like that tomorrow, I'll be doing exactly the same, never seen something so atrocious from Noctua - all my Noctua coolers so far have been perfectly aligned...

As a sidenote:

I've been using both my NH-C14S C-shaped coolers in fan downfiring configuration so as to cool the DDR4 and VRM simultaneously along with the CPU (I obviously have NO case fans doing that job). The new NH-P1 is also a C-shaped cooler so at first tech intuition I'd be pressed to stay with the same downfiring config, but these fins are so tall like side walls (like billboards) for physical convection so, I'll probably turn my 140mm fan over and see if UP-firing gathers any thermal benefits - I mean I have the AC moving cold air directly into the cooler from about 15feet - so crossing my fingers and toes lol for tomorrow. :)

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Looks like a big heavy Noctua Austrian dude (probably on his lunchbreak) just sat right down on them and crushed them. :eek:
Send them ALL back to Amazon, they pay return shipping - no questions asked. :rockout:

If my NH-P1 looks like that tomorrow, I'll be doing exactly the same, never seen something so atrocious from Noctua - all my Noctua coolers so far have been perfectly aligned...

I needed a breather after that or I probably would have set all 3 on fire and thrown them through my neighbour's window.

Coming back from my break, I gave the L12 and the original L12S a bit of gentle, physical persuasion each and both eventually straightened out a margin of error I would have expected from the factory. It's not something I would have preferred to do, but Ghost S1 owners have been bending their L12S' left and right to a much more severe degree before Noctua released the special edition L12 for them, so it's nothing new or alarming.

If they're not able to provide a more expeditious replacement option than Amazon FREE shipping, then I'll just keep the two straightened ones and return the hopeless one. I'm not waiting yet another goddamned week for these. The L12S on the left was already supposed to be a replacement for the L12S on the right.

To top it all off, the age-old support@noctua.at email I've used since forever throws a "size limit exceeded" error, so now I have to find their storefront on Amazon and contact them there.

Seems like Noctua is going through pandemic purgatory just like Ford.
 
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I needed a breather after that or I probably would have set all 3 on fire and thrown them through my neighbour's window.

Coming back from my break, I gave the L12 and the original L12S a bit of gentle, physical persuasion each and both eventually straightened out a margin of error I would have expected from the factory. It's not something I would have preferred to do, but Ghost S1 owners have been bending their L12S' left and right to a much more severe degree before Noctua released the special edition L12 for them, so it's nothing new or alarming.

If they're not able to provide a more expeditious replacement option than Amazon FREE shipping, then I'll just keep the two straightened ones and return the hopeless one. I'm not waiting yet another goddamned week for these. The L12S on the left was already supposed to be a replacement for the L12S on the right.

To top it all off, the age-old support@noctua.at email I've used since forever throws a "size limit exceeded" error, so now I have to find their storefront on Amazon and contact them there.

Seems like Noctua is going through pandemic purgatory just like Ford.
Backyard Bonfire with Tiki Torches - what I would've done. :)

Hope you're feeling much better tech brother! :p

Cannot remember the last time I contacted customer service from any tech manufacturer, I just rely on the 30-day window Amazon Newegg, send the darn thing back and they don't say a word, full refund - the easiest way to go.

My DDR4 4800/17 Gskill Super B-Die Kit from Newegg, got delayed until Thursday, oh well :ohwell:
 
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Sweet! :)

I got one of those right under this heatsink, 8microseconds QD1 latency. lol, but mine's only 32GB capacity, use it for testing new parts and Win10 installs.
Ive got a 32GB Optane in my gaming rig for my game recordings and Photoshop cache/scratch. Ive been scouring the net to find a decent price for optane drives, but they are at least 1$ US per GB. Ideally I would have a 480GB 905 as an OS drive, but I cant find one for a decent price.
 
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This should be interesting - uncharted waters. lol :D

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So, you putting a Delta 140mm fan on that thing or what?! :D :laugh:
 

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Reusing the same fan from previous setup - Noctua Industrial PWM running at 700-750rpm (maybe slower - maybe faster) powered by the AquaComputer fan controller.

There's a bit of an overhang but the 140mm fan still fits the TOP dimension (for a test bench mounting) of the NH-P1 fairly well.

Might get some improved cooling with the fan flipped over pulling cold air in and up from the bottom, but I believe this PUSH configuration drawing in the refrigerated air from the central AC might still be best. :)

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you could slap a 140mm ARGB bling on top of that and have it look like an obese wraith prism
 

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i run all my fans at 600-800 RPM :/
I don't have even one running lower than 1400rpm. These are they;
Everything else runs 1800rpm or faster. And they're still very quiet. Of course, quiet is relative..
 
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