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  1. NdMk2o1o

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    So do the police just do nothing then? if these people don't want violence directed toward them perhaps they should not be acting violently towards other people. I would gladly offer my services and wouldn't think twice about shooting them with rubber bullets, I mean who the hell do they think they are?? The little chavvy f**ckers been quited on TV and radio saying they are doing this cause they can, in that case let's show them that actually, they can't the majority of people in the UK work for a living and work damn hard for what they have and to have 16 and 17 year old ruin years of their hard work for a moment of madness is not acceptable, one day they might actually (god forbid) have a family of their own and realise what something like this can do to decent common working people and young families, I say punish them to the full extent of the law. Kids need a good bloody slap nowadays and thats what's lacking, trouble is they know no one can touch them so they all act like lil wannabe gangsters :banghead:

    Not directed at you btw Kieran, though just couldn't stop once I had started, it has made my blood boil the trouble they have caused without even thinking about the repurcussions and ripples.
     
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    I was only stating a fact, you interpret that as you wish. The police are reluctant to use rubber bullets. Maybe the ends justify the means but the police cant think like that.
     
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    It's doing my nut in hearing people say "send in the army". What the hell does that say of the UK if we can't control civilian problems without the aid of military forces! Martial law is really not a solution to this. A lot of the "extreme" resorts are just simply not right. As Kieran pointed out, water canons are no use against pockets of thugs either.

    What needs to happen is for youths who act criminally to be treated as criminals. Let the police in riot gear smash their useless heads in. Political correctness, is messing up the nation. A 13yr old with a petrol bomb should be treated with the same harshness as any adult. If they bare arms, they should expect to accept the consequences.

    But meh, this doesn't solve the underlying issue of lawless scumbags. Forget asking parents to sort it out, most of them are worse than their kids. Bring on compulsory military service like we used to have in Spain. Teach them all some manners.

    /rant
     
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    Told you I was not aiming it at you, though you did get me started but my comments weren't directed at you, more at venting my frustration and anger at the turn of events over the last week and tbh I have a right to state my opinion being as I work and pay taxes and have a young family so am affected in more than one way to all this nonsense thats going on.

    Kids need something to do?? how about stop carrying knives and guns and acting like grown up gangsters and killing other kids and bystanders in the process, it's about time we stopped pussyfooting around peoples feelings and playing fiddle to the EU like we have done the US for so many years and put our fucking foot down, yes people have rights though were are the victims rights when they get taken away by the young thugs who think they can do as they like, then they go prison and get treated to board and lodgings as well as luxuries low income families can't afford and then have the right to sue for their so-called human rights? you lose them when you take them away fromanyone else imo
     
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    on a tangent:can you burn .dmg files in windows that will be recognised on a mac?

    freedom:i was messing,the cat part of the mrs car exhaust blew a hole in itself today and now booms like a boyracer's!
     
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    Anyone at age of 10+ can be dealt as criminals for years now,so those kids won't be so lucky,destroying things just makes our economy much worst and stealing don't know whats gotten through their heads.
     
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    Try IMGBurn, I don't know for sure, but strongly suspect it has the ability to do so

    Sadly, I don't think they care. It's the rest of us who have to pay for the damages to livelihoods and economy. I sincerely hope the police track down as many as possible and get them behind bars. doing community service in clown suits.
     
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    Well i very doubt they go behind bars as our prison in the country is already quite packed,may aswell send them to clean up the mess they made. And yeah they don't care because our Legal system is way to soft,take them behind bars and what they do,sit and do nothing and tax payers pay for them to stay there.
    Its not like they get a beat down or a warning hit,which is why i think Corporal punishment should be introduced,allow the police to break people who steal fingers or something. Allow teachers to cane damn children who don't give a fuck about there education at least they learn not to fuck about anymore so they don't get hit.
    They need learn discipline which is severely lacking,maybe its due to school summer holidays now they got nothing to do,their parents which is kinda understandable if their in a tough situation but it doesn't give a reason to them to go do these things. But if they come from poor background because of the parents,but i would say blame the parents. I know i'm probably chatting crap now or i don't know what i am talking about,but this is all my opinion. If their parents too busy caring their own situation and not showing the same love and care towards their children they will act like wild animals as they have not learnt any discipline.
     
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    Fully with you man. Being from a spanish background I used to get belted whenever I got up to mischief. Turned out a fine individual :laugh:

    I generally dislike government meddling with people's own affairs, but yeah, I think something should be imposed on people to make sure they're a little more disciplined. Military service, summer camps.. whatever it takes.
     
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    ^this

    ---the military that's a bit extreme
     
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    One of the teachers i know that used to teach me,got put into Military service and became a teacher during his time in it lol. He turned out to be one of the strictest teacher in the school but also one of the kindest,every student even chavs had respect for me and not want to fuck about when his there.
    Sucks he left though so he can increase his hierarchy in position to become a head teacher or something.

    And it seems a bit of hit does work,i used to get hit by those super old plastic sticks that Mcdonalds used to use to hold balloons if i ever did something "naughty" by my parents,my god have i learnt my lesson lol.
     
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    As someone who is in the status of recently finishing some of their gcse's, I can tell you that's not a one off, they recently tried to fire one of the strictest teachers in my school due to budget cutbacks, we disagreed with this so much we ended up making the front page of some newspapers trying to get him to stay on.

    Just remember as much as you hate chavs etc, us normal young people hate them more
     
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    As you guys are the newer generation than where i am looking at,you guys just make me want hate your generation a lot more than ever.
    One thing for sure for school is that they shouldn't fire the best teachers that know how to control the damn fools,second of all corporal punishment should be brought back,because exclusions and expels do fuck all for them.
    They stay at all home and be a waste man all their life,if they get caned in school though they will stop being a naughty boy/girl and stay in school and avoid getting caned next time and actually maybe learn something.
     
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    Ultimatly, for the majority of the "rioters", this is simply a response (as they see it) to difficult economic times in the country. Unemplyment (especially youth unemployment) is sky high, inflation is the highest it has been for 11 years, growth is practically non existent and beleive me, we will fall into a 2nd recession, that will make things even worse. Now to us "sane" people the reasons don't in any way justify the action/reaction, fact is i was doing some meetings with DHL last week in Stoke, this particular depot emplyed 398 warehouse workers, 2 of them only were English, all the others were eastern European, DHL said that they cannot get english workers to work hard for a minimum wage and yet many scream that they are taking our jobs?

    As for Kieran's comment about Scottish police supporting the English and the unrest has not really spread to Scotland.... that might be (to re-enforce my views) because Scotland has the highest rate of employment in the UK.........

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Labour-Market/TrendEconomicActivity

    Actually the worst Youth un-emplyment in England is in the West Midlands. Anyways, in my opinion, in part at least this whole affair is a demonstration against the Governments policies, yes they are jumping on a bandwagon, many of them probably won't even know what those policies really are but why should we be surprised? It has been widespread in Greece and Portugal, 2 of the hardest hit (or most mismanaged) economies and it happened here in the early 80's when again the governement of the day took a number of measures (mostly bad and failed) but that time it was even more widespread, most of you won't remember the Brixton and Toxteth riots..... is it a coincidence that the same party was in power? (although it sounds it, that was not a political statement as i don't vote). The difference there was when the riots took place the position then was (for England)......

    1. Bank of England base rate: 6% (currently 0.5%)
    2. Unemployment: 3.5 million (currently around 2.5 million)
    3. Inflation: 14.73% at it's peak in 1980 (currently around 5.2%)
    4. Mortgage prime rate (the thing that causesd the 1st recession to some degree and what affects mortgage rates as we know them) 20% 1980 peak (currently around 3.25%)

    Now I don't think it's likely that we will get near any of those aweful states, my point being, mark my words, if these downturns do continue to happen, what do we think some of the people's reaction is going to be when unemplyment is even worse, inflation is double etc etc? Let's also remember that these riots are not just exclusively what we might call "yobs", we can see that from the arrests.

    Lastly, as for the Army involvement, personally I am against it, If the police cannot handle civil unrest then we need to look at a more effective way of policing, if they can but they are shackled by either politicians or public opinion then perceptions need to change and politicians need to be retired.... you put a private soldier on the streets getting petrol bombed in what may be his own community, being paid about £16000 a year and compare that with what his counterparts in the police are earning..... it aint gonna happen. As for Water Cannons, the comments already made are valid, I spent a toal of 4 years in my career on the streets of Belfast and South Armagh and water cannons did help disperse large crowds and keep them at a distance but all that would happen here is that all the rioters would throw their stones and petrol bombs outside of shops, the pressure from the water cannons would smash the windows for the rioters and then easy pickings for looters. As for Rubber Bullets (they don't exist any more), we have Plastic Bullets now, improved and effective, Rubber Bullets did kill in Northern Ireland, about one in every 100 people they hit (most commonly hits to the head or chest hits where ribs were broken and pushed into vital organs), plastics are much safer, hurt like hell (and I mean really hurt) but they spread the wave of impact over a greater surface area where as rubber bullets were quite confined in that regard, but by their very nature are a medium ranged weapon, you shoot them too close and the risk of serious injury is dramatically increased, you fire at too long a range (anytjing over about 150m) and there is too much collateral damage to bystanders and property (windows again etc) so really at a guess 50 - 100m and that restricts police tactics to a certain degree, they would be effective and I think they would sort the problem out, but there may be some cost politically and publically and from what I see the Police would rather not take those risks.... simply because it's great for politicians to say that they have given the police those powers, they are not walking the streets weeks afterwards getting attacked because of that policy.

    Apologies for boring you, just my thoughts, I will go back to sleep now. :cool:
     
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    No need i think you make good point Tatty the wise one,but yeah there is no need to bring the army involve it just make our country look worst. Can't even control our own people lol and needed bring in army. Well i think it end up like Egypt people would like sleep inside tank wheels or something.
    Put them into military service make them suffer lol.
     
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    Once the rioting is done with, the government really need to look into a different scheme for all aspects of education. It's an ever increasing difficult situation the government need to start cracking down on, but how d'you crack down on people who do not want to learn, feel as if they can't learn, what things for free and if they don't get them they get violent? Discovering and convincing people of their potential and then being able to push it towards something where it can be applied successfully doesn't really exist any-more.

    Education is only tiny (but massively important factor) in preventing this from happening again.

    Wait, what?

    Bringing in the Army isn't the way to solve the rioters, the Police will manage. Honestly I think they should be a little bit more forceful, as in cracking shins in order to prevent these reckless ignoramuses from being able to run. If they can't run, they can't walk and if they can't walk they're not going anywhere with anything.

    Or better yet, for those that refuse to better themselves, we have our own Battle Royale.
     
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    Hence the reason why i say exclusions and expelling students during school time is pointless,they have nothing to lose if they get excluded,expelled,detentions. It would be just a time to "chill" and do nothing for them or increase their ego even more.
     
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    :laugh: you make it sound like i'm one of those rioters :laugh:

    are these riots still going on?, i just went on BBC news and they're just showing david cameron rejecting every idea the MP's suggest :confused:

    @Techtu: were there riots in the area, if so you can claim compensation from the government for the bike those idiots stole
     
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    Well i wasn't saying you are one of the rioters but it just stereotypical reinstate how bad your generation is.
    As for the riot,it seems to have stopped but that doesn't mean people will be able to relax while theirs images of damage visioned in people head. Specially that huge furniture store,there is no way the owners can compensate for the damage,neither would the government provide claims just because we are in huge debt as it is.
    Cameron is just a moron,i can't wait until next elections and hope people learned not to vote for Conservatives again.
     
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    I'm not going to defend them, there are an unusually large number of bad people in my generation, but don't think we're all like that, most of us are infact normal people, that happen to spend a lot of time on the internet or reading manga:laugh:

    on a compleatly different note, how do you track a parcel shipped by scan?
     
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    I think we can all agree that they are a shower of bastards.
     
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    stop trying to be nice to them, they're far worse then that
     
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    For your question about tracking parcel,you should get a tracking number in your order history,you just copy it and paste it on dpd tracking bar bit or just click it and it take you to their website.

    They are more like a waste of space.
     
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    How long you guys think my 400w will live?? I've had it for 2 years now and 3 or 4 months now.
     
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    i give it another 5 to 7 years from now
     

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