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I might slog it out for a bit , try and get a deposit together before I'm 60

I do have adequate in the week employ to keep this weekend only ftm.


Ps as an example of my twisted Kippur I was a click away from buying a ps 5 an hour ago, sold out gits.
 

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I always tell young people in the UK to become lorry drivers, 34k quid a year a damn near starting (I saw an advert recently because of the shortage in UK they are starting at around 34k quid), and free training at most places, 50k a year after a couple good years with no dings. Depends where you go of course, and you don't have to do it forever, just do do it for a few years while still living with parents to stack some money. Hell, by age 27 or so I seen some young guys have 300k in the bank just from their semi driving.

Plus you get to listen to music, podcasts, audiobooks while you drive, not a bad gig really.
Some of the reasons there is a struggle to recruit HGV drivers is the conditions of service, long hours, cramped surroundings, extremely unhealthy, I mean a single traffic jam can extend a day by several hours and the fact that there is strict regulation regarding enforced breaks etc, for younger people it may be a decent option but I think the average training cost without licenses is around £5k, many young people simply cannot afford it.

On top of that, generally it is not a job that is compliant with our earlier discussion on work life balance and living quality, I think it may suit some if they can find the cash but I am not sure that it's a full solution to the current problem.
 
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Some of the reasons there is a struggle to recruit HGV drivers is the conditions of service, long hours, cramped surroundings, extremely unhealthy, I mean a single traffic jam can extend a day by several hours and the fact that there is strict regulation regarding enforced breaks etc, for younger people it may be a decent option but I think the average training cost without licenses is around £5k, many young people simply cannot afford it.

On top of that, generally it is not a job that is compliant with our earlier discussion on work life balance and living quality, I think it may suit some if they can find the cash but I am not sure that it's a full solution to the current problem.

training to be a HGV, bus, or coach driver is free inUK:


 

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I always tell young people in the UK to become lorry drivers, 34k quid a year a damn near starting (I saw an advert recently because of the shortage in UK they are starting at around 34k quid), and free training at most places, 50k a year after a couple good years with no dings. Depends where you go of course, and you don't have to do it forever, just do do it for a few years while still living with parents to stack some money. Hell, by age 27 or so I seen some young guys have 300k in the bank just from their semi driving.

Plus you get to listen to music, podcasts, audiobooks while you drive, not a bad gig really.
34k sounds sweet, but the working hours are crap. There aren't many drivers out there who work a normal Monday-Friday week. If you live alone or with parents, it's fine, but as soon as you have a partner who works a Mon-Fri week, a rota-based job becomes a no-go.

Some of the reasons there is a struggle to recruit HGV drivers is the conditions of service, long hours, cramped surroundings, extremely unhealthy, I mean a single traffic jam can extend a day by several hours and the fact that there is strict regulation regarding enforced breaks etc, for younger people it may be a decent option but I think the average training cost without licenses is around £5k, many young people simply cannot afford it.

On top of that, generally it is not a job that is compliant with our earlier discussion on work life balance and living quality, I think it may suit some if they can find the cash but I am not sure that it's a full solution to the current problem.
Yeah. This too.

training to be a HGV, bus, or coach driver is free inUK:


This is just CPC that you attend once you have the licence. Learning to drive and having the licence for lorries can cost about 4-5k.
 
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This is just CPC that you attend once you have the licence. Learning to drive and having the licence for lorries can cost about 4-5k.

ah that's lame, oh well

i know training is free in america. but you have to sign like a 3 yr contract with w.e company pays for it. but there are lot of foreign people in american making 80-100k a year driving semi's. and they came from literally nothing. i am surprised USA companies don't go to foreign countries directly and just be like hey, we need 30k more drivers, you are making what $5 an hr? we will pay for flight, and everything, come work for us and make 70k a year

there would be no 30k driver shortage then I 100% bet ya, and they already do a lot of the work visa stuff anyway, seems kizmit to me Jerry baby!
 
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ah that's lame, oh well

i know training is free in america. but you have to sign like a 3 yr contract with w.e company pays for it. but there are lot of foreign people in american making 80-100k a year driving semi's. and they came from literally nothing. i am surprised USA companies don't go to foreign countries directly and just be like hey, we need 30k more drivers, you are making what $5 an hr? we will pay for flight, and everything, come work for us and make 70k a year

there would be no 30k driver shortage then I 100% bet ya, and they already do a lot of the work visa stuff anyway, seems kizmit to me Jerry baby!
Yep. It's easy to make a living in the UK, but to earn more than the standard living wage is pretty hard.
 
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Yep. It's easy to make a living in the UK, but to earn more than the standard living wage is pretty hard.

my relatives in England are rich, but most of it is inherited wealth. that seems to be how most wealth works, you just have to hope your born into a family line that passes down a house paid for, etc. then hope those offspring don't blow it all or ruin it/sell it and travel with the money, and over several hundred years it builds up quite nicely. my relatives over there love shoving their 7k quid watches in my face and asking me if i think it looks nice. lol, twats

rich people are weird imo. its a watch, it checks time, cool i guess... if i had that money i'd rather help people within my immediate community or family
 
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my relatives in England are rich, but most of it is inherited wealth. that seems to be how most wealth works, you just have to hope your born into a family line that passes down a house paid for, etc. then hope those offspring don't blow it all or ruin it/sell it and travel with the money
...or that you don't get screwed over by politics. My great grandfather was one of the richest people in Hungary. He owned a milk factory, a hotel, and a horse race track. He bred the finest race horses in the country. He was so rich that he was among the first Hungarians to own a car. Then communism came and took everything from him. He died poor. My grandfather tried to get everything back after communism fell, but all the records were "destroyed in a fire". Yeah, right... :shadedshu:

With that said, capitalism isn't any better in my opinion. The only difference is that in communism, you know that you have no chance to climb out of your financial pit, but capitalism blinds you with the illusion of mobility. You believe that you can be whoever you want to be until you realise that you're old and your whole life was a struggle to make ends meet. You can aspire to get a university degree, but even then 1. you need money to do that, money that you don't have, and 2. most university degrees aren't worth anything nowadays, so you're just accumulating debt that you have to pay off once you start working. I was lucky enough to have gotten my degree in Hungary, so my debt from my student loan isn't tremendous by UK standards. I could work my ass off and pay it all back in a year. I just don't want to. I've got a life to live. :p

my relatives over there love shoving their 7k quid watches in my face and asking me if i think it looks nice. lol, twats

rich people are weird imo. its a watch, it checks time, cool i guess... if i had that money i'd rather help people within my immediate community or family
It's even funnier when normal people try to pretend to be rich. For example, when fellow Eastern Europeans come to the UK, start working overtime, get the scent of western living, and buy shitty old BMWs just to show off to relatives in their home countries and their colleagues. I mean, OK, it's a car, it's got the blue-and-white badge, but it's an old, trashed shitbox otherwise. What's to show off? :laugh:
 

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my relatives in England are rich, but most of it is inherited wealth. that seems to be how most wealth works, you just have to hope your born into a family line that passes down a house paid for, etc. then hope those offspring don't blow it all or ruin it/sell it and travel with the money, and over several hundred years it builds up quite nicely. my relatives over there love shoving their 7k quid watches in my face and asking me if i think it looks nice. lol, twats

rich people are weird imo. its a watch, it checks time, cool i guess... if i had that money i'd rather help people within my immediate community or family
That's not the case with anyone I know, apart from one couple in particular everyone I know struggled even with decent jobs until they were in their 40's or 50's, sadly as @AusWolf said earlier, you can work damn hard here and still struggle, I mean when I first got married and we had our first daughter we were 25/26 and I was a Corporal in the Army serving in Germany, at the time I started learning to drive and because of the costs associated with learning to drive over there I had to bring toilet paper and soap home from work to help save a few pennies. To earn bigger pennies these days you need a lot of hard work (or a lot of convincing bluff), a shitload of luck and some decent education (in most cases).

In contrast to what I have just said above, when I left the Army in 2004 I was earning almost £50k a year, sometimes these things take time, no matter how hard you try, patience is not so much of a virtue these days, possibly because even if you have loads of it often things still don't work out, I consider myself lucky but the journey nearly killed me more than once :)
 
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That's not the case with anyone I know, apart from one couple in particular everyone I know struggled even with decent jobs until they were in their 40's or 50's, sadly as @AusWolf said earlier, you can work damn hard here and still struggle, I mean when I first got married and we had our first daughter we were 25/26 and I was a Corporal in the Army serving in Germany, at the time I started learning to drive and because of the costs associated with learning to drive over there I had to bring toilet paper and soap home from work to help save a few pennies. To earn bigger pennies these days you need a lot of hard work (or a lot of convincing bluff), a shitload of luck and some decent education (in most cases).

In contrast to what I have just said above, when I left the Army in 2004 I was earning almost £50k a year, sometimes these things take time, no matter how hard you try, patience is not so much of a virtue these days, possibly because even if you have loads of it often things still don't work out, I consider myself lucky but the journey nearly killed me more than once :)
Totally right. Luck is a MUCH bigger factor in succeeding than skill or willingness. I applied to be a trainee/associate team leader (for normal worker's money) not long ago. The feedback I got was "you did great on the interview, but I don't know you well enough". Apparently, one has no chance to climb the social ladder without being friends with the right people. As I'm not the kind of person to socialise with people based on their income, I will never have any hope of going anywhere. Not that I really want to, anyway. At nearly 32, I've lost my motivation to go somewhere. I just want to be somewhere. To be happy, regardless of my income or status. All I've gained and achieved will be lost once I retire anyway. I've also realised that giving up on these things is a huge burden off of one's shoulders. A lot of people are depressed because they want to prove something. I've got nothing to prove. I work for my money then F off home. If any big boss doesn't like it, they can suck my@{$ß]íđ÷...
 
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Totally right. Luck is a MUCH bigger factor in succeeding than skill or willingness. I applied to be a trainee/associate team leader (for normal worker's money) not long ago. The feedback I got was "you did great on the interview, but I don't know you well enough". Apparently, one has no chance to climb the social ladder without being friends with the right people. As I'm not the kind of person to socialise with people based on their income, I will never have any hope of going anywhere. Not that I really want to, anyway. At nearly 32, I've lost my motivation to go somewhere. I just want to be somewhere. To be happy, regardless of my income or status. All I've gained and achieved will be lost once I retire anyway. I've also realised that giving up on these things is a huge burden off of one's shoulders. A lot of people are depressed because they want to prove something. I've got nothing to prove. I work for my money then F off home. If any big boss doesn't like it, they can suck my@{$ß]íđ÷...

I think also in order to create a good business and/or succeed in the business world in general, it depends heavily upon who you know, and if you inherited some money to get your initial business off the ground running. I know my relatives run a business and it makes over a million quid per year with only around 5 employees I believe, all family owned. So inherited wealth manifests itself in various ways. Anyways, I don't like them as people honestly, they are very snobby in their character, as 2pac says - money makes a man act funny. It do be true, it do be true. I found them all to be rather odd when I lived with them, their daughter had a 4,000 quid purse for example. Honestly I feel bad for them, they are blinded by their ego/status, and probably will never be able to have thoughts about the Cosmos/increased self-aware state of being as I have been capable of, as these thoughts only come with great humility about your place within the world and a great amount of introspection (which the ego makes sure to limit how much introspection time you have, lest it be diminished in size).

Sorry to hear about your lineage by the way, that is terrible. At least you have a gf, being on the autism spectrum, I probably never will, which I am also fine with, I am in good company, aka Isaac Newton. The Cosmos can be ones mistress, if one knows enough of the world around them. I'm sure Isaac had joys none of us can imagine as his intelligence has not been matched before or since.
 
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You could throw high salary at HGV or even a nurse/doctor job and people will probably not take it still because of how demanding it is physically and mentally.
I mean if you can earn same amount of money sitting on your arse in an office/home vs someone driving a HGV and do less hours? I think the individual would rather sit on their arse.
 
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I think also in order to create a good business and/or succeed in the business world in general, it depends heavily upon who you know, and if you inherited some money to get your initial business off the ground running. I know my relatives run a business and it makes over a million quid per year with only around 5 employees I believe, all family owned. So inherited wealth manifests itself in various ways. Anyways, I don't like them as people honestly, they are very snobby in their character, as 2pac says - money makes a man act funny. It do be true, it do be true. I found them all to be rather odd when I lived with them, their daughter had a 4,000 quid purse for example. Honestly I feel bad for them, they are blinded by their ego/status, and probably will never be able to have thoughts about the Cosmos/increased self-aware state of being as I have been capable of, as these thoughts only come with great humility about your place within the world and a great amount of introspection (which the ego makes sure to limit how much introspection time you have, lest it be diminished in size).
I think a lot comes down to attitude. You can be rich and waste millions on crap you'll never need, you can invest more to be even richer, or you can spend on things that actually matter to you and your loved ones. For some of us, all the money in the world wouldn't be enough as they don't have the general capability to work well with money. I remember reading about a lottery millionaire who became homeless after a couple of years of richness. Honestly, we are all richer than people like that, even if we have less money (sounds like a contradiction, but it's not). There's also an old proverb that I think is very representative of a mental attitude: "If a poor man asks for a fish, don't give him one. Teach him how to fish instead." This is why I don't believe in charity, either.

Sorry to hear about your lineage by the way, that is terrible. At least you have a gf, being on the autism spectrum, I probably never will, which I am also fine with, I am in good company, aka Isaac Newton. The Cosmos can be ones mistress, if one knows enough of the world around them. I'm sure Isaac had joys none of us can imagine as his intelligence has not been matched before or since.
Thanks. :) Though never think that being autistic should prevent you to enjoy a relationship in any way. It's also nice that you find solace in Isaac Newton and the universe's mysteries. Recently, I've found myself extremely drawn to Einstein's theories of relativity, black holes, the size of the universe, time dilation and its effects on distant objects, the relations between space and time, etc.

You could throw high salary at HGV or even a nurse/doctor job and people will probably not take it still because of how demanding it is physically and mentally.
I mean if you can earn same amount of money sitting on your arse in an office/home vs someone driving a HGV and do less hours? I think the individual would rather sit on their arse.
Damn right. You just touched on why exactly I've become disillusioned with the concept of career advancement.
 
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Realistically something needs to be done at young age to kind of make these demanding jobs worthwhile to people.
Every career has an advancement, you have to take/do it if you want it to happen, probably why people tend to switch companies but do the same job until they reach their goal.
For me when it comes to money, if its enough to hit these criteria:
-Pay the bills(mortgage + overpay, utility bills and other bills per month)
-Monthly grocery
-Travel
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That for me is when I will be happy with how much i'm earning which I don't think i'm that far off from reaching that target.
 
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Realistically something needs to be done at young age to kind of make these demanding jobs worthwhile to people.
Every career has an advancement, you have to take/do it if you want it to happen, probably why people tend to switch companies but do the same job until they reach their goal.
For me when it comes to money, if its enough to hit these criteria:
-Pay the bills(mortgage + overpay, utility bills and other bills per month)
-Monthly grocery
-Travel
-Hobbies
-Small savings for emergency
That for me is when I will be happy with how much i'm earning which I don't think i'm that far off from reaching that target.
I've got the exact same target. The way I've achieved it is by doing night shifts. I'm earning nearly as much as a team leader on days for far less stress on my shoulders. This is (also) why I don't care about career advancement anymore.
 

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