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The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

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Yes, really - 100% of those pesky "pirates" will be brought to book! The game's studio, CD Projekt RED (CDP Red) isn't letting on how it's doing so, either, claiming it's a "trade secret" and not giving out the name of the external company that's implementing the anti-piracy technology, claiming that to do so would damage their business. Seriously. The problem with identifying a dodgy copy of something is that the main info they have to track them down, are the IP addresses of the suspect. This has been shown many times over now, not to be a reliable tracker of who's doing what. At the most, it will pinpoint the account holder that it relates to, in some cases. However, this outfit reckons they've nailed this dealbreaking problem once and for all - and without any evidence on how they go about it. Snake oil, perhaps? The Polish company have therefore been sending out legal notices to thousands of suspects in Germany, chosen because this country has some of the strictest copyright laws in Europe. Presumably, they must be leaning on the ISPs to hand over customers' physical street addresses, although this isn't made clear, but read on for how this might be accomplished. In an email to PC Gamer, CDP Red VP Michael Nowakowski made the following statement:

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I don't condone piracy but I also hate dirty tricks with tracking and all that crap. I also hate when someone says "we're 100% sure" and all that bullcrap.
 

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Good editorial. Nope, that's a resounding YES for me. This is the way it should be implemented and face it, if it is just "smoke and mirrors" the courts will just throw this right out and it will die. Kudos to CD Projekt RED for doing it the right way. :toast:
 
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Nope, that's a resounding YES for me. This is the way it should be implemented and face it, if it is just "smoke and mirrors" the courts will just throw this right out and it will die. Kudos to CD Projekt RED for doing it the right way. :toast:
Nope, that`s a resounding NO for me. This is NOT the way it should be done. Dont i have the right to try something, before i fork out my hard earned money for it? And where is my right of privacy, if you agree with the rights of copyright?
 

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Dont i have the right to try something, before i fork out my hard earned money for it? And where is my right of privacy
No, you don't have the right to try something first unless it is given and you lose that small bit of privacy when you tick yes on the EULA.
 

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Surely what they are doing is spyware/malware and against the law in many countries?

If it does go to court they will have to reveal thier methods & legality of methods. :shadedshu

Look at what happened to Sony's rootkits on CD's. Big lawsuit and a lot of backtracking by Sony to wriggle out of all the negative publicity.

I'm not sure that this is a good idea by CD Projekt RED. :banghead:

If they sent me a letter I would laugh at it! :laugh:

btw, I have not pirated their crappy buggy game anyway. :D
 

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There is a way to know 100% of the time if a game is not a valid (purchased) copy.
Each valid copy of the game could "phone home" with a unique identifier and the IP address of where it is located and then stored in a database.
If this unique ID shows up more than once, you KNOW a copy has been made.

The thing I am wondering is how you can know, with 100% accuracy, which is the bootleg copy.
"First location to register the ID" would not give you 100% accuracy (although it would probably be pretty close as I think most people would buy, install, copy).

I don't care what CDP does, I want to know how (the coding details). :cry:
 
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Good editorial. Nope, that's a resounding YES for me. This is the way it should be implemented and face it, if it is just "smoke and mirrors" the courts will just throw this right out and it will die. Kudos to CD Projekt RED for doing it the right way. :toast:
Then you haven't given this the proper thought. This isn't just IP tracking. Their verification is on their end, not the ISP's, meaning some sort of illegal data mining is involved. I wonder if they'll be required to reveal their method in court or if they just take the person's pc. That would have the proof but skirt the issue of how they got it before hand.
 

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if they access and submit any personal information it's illegal in most countries. could even be interpreted as hacking if you assume that the operating system's process separation and non-admin users are ways to protect sensitive data.

if you agreed to it in the TOS it may be legal, it's not clear whether it's possible to waive away a right to privacy.
 

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if you agreed to it in the TOS it may be legal, it's not clear whether it's possible to waive away a right to privacy.
Now there's a grey area. I'll bet this varies from country. It would come under the illegal or unreasonable contracts section of any country's laws.

EDIT: this is the obvious question to ask: it's one thing to lift lots of personal details if the user has "agreed" to it by blindly clicking yes to the agreement - which may or may not be legal to subject them to. However, our "pirate" has not agreed to this, making such dodgy techniques definitely illegal, regardless of whether the "pirate" is doing something illegal or not themselves. It's the sort of reason why vigilantes are frowned upon and people are expected to let the police and the law take care of the crimes. Which they often don't...
 
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Good editorial. Nope, that's a resounding YES for me. This is the way it should be implemented and face it, if it is just "smoke and mirrors" the courts will just throw this right out and it will die. Kudos to CD Projekt RED for doing it the right way. :toast:
I agree that qbit doesn't speak for all of us and this is more of an editorial... otherwise charges they planned to bring against someone would've been mentioned imo... No charges because nothing illegal is happening... torrenting is not stealing or illegal!
 
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I give it a week before it's hacked and rendered useless
 
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Out of curiosity, I wonder if they plan to bring in the probably fifty percent of their actual sales that probably pirated the game because not being able to try the game before hand in this modern day is suicide with console ports and just badly coded games in general.
 

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Either they're accessing other data on the PC it's installed on to find information - in that case it's incredibly bad malware, illegal, immoral and beneath contempt...

Or they're just making it up.

They're making it up.
 
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Wtf is this thread so dead, I thought i'd be entertained for at least a few hours or till bann but no, nobody wants to post for some fking reason... Pirating is cool, it does nothing but make the market and big business legit. Look at the music industry now... No napster would've meant no itunes. FKING POST
 

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My problem with this is the hipocracy from CD Projekt. They run Good Old Games which is a DRM free service. The very first patch for Witcher 2 also removes the DRM (theoretically, apparently). And now they're saying they deployed a decietful DRM in the Witcher 2 and are taking people to court with whatever information they gained from it. The hipocracy, lies, and deceit pisses me off to no end. I'm not buying anything from CD Projekt ever again (including GoG). I don't care if it was only on the German SKU, you don't treat your customers like criminals and you don't lie to them, period. Even EA doesn't stoop that low.
 

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My problem with this is the hipocracy from CD Projekt. They run Good Old Games which is a DRM free service. The very first patch for Witcher 2 also removes the DRM (theoretically, apparently). And now they're saying they deployed a decietful DRM in the Witcher 2 and are taking people to court with whatever information they gained from it. The hipocracy, lies, and deceit pisses me off to no end. I'm not buying anything from CD Projekt ever again (including GoG). I don't care if it was only on the German SKU, you don't treat your customers like criminals and you don't lie to them, period. Even EA doesn't stoop that low.
Damn straight! This hypocrisy is disgusting. Unfortunately, I spotted the PC Gamer article a little too late to start making significant changes to my article, but it's a really important point. Thanks for bringing it up. :toast:
 

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Interesting post Ford.
It seems that there is a semantical difference between what people view as DRM.
One could say that DRM prevents you from playing a game when you do not meet the requirements of what the publisher views as a valid copy (CD/DVD check, constant internet connection, etc.)
If the software allows you to use what you have, but just reports that it's illegal it is not infringing upon you ability to use the software (although there may be consequences for doing so).

It's kind of like speed limits in the US. There is nothing to prevent you from going 100mph (DRM), but if you get caught you get fined. Perhaps a poor analogy, but you know what I mean.
 
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Here's my issue with the whole piracy thing, if you don't release a demo so I can see if your $60 pile of crap actually works and is playable im not buying.

With that said three people I know bought the Witcher 2 after watching me play it, I only actually bought it last week.
The way i see it that -1 +3 +1 roughly $200 in sales from a pirated copy $150 of which they would have never got without that copy.
The whole piracy is killing the industry is a crock.
 

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hahahaah! stupid pirates! throw them all in jail!
 
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Here's my issue with the whole piracy thing, if you don't release a demo so I can see if your $60 pile of crap actually works and is playable im not buying.

With that said three people I know bought the Witcher 2 after watching me play it, I only actually bought it last week.
The way i see it that -1 +3 +1 roughly $200 in sales from a pirated copy $150 of which they would have never got without that copy.
The whole piracy is killing the industry is a crock.
I agree with you in general Batou, but for some games it's not easy to just create some kind of "crippled" demo. You still need to supply all the code, art assets, audio and everything that makes the game play, and then inject code to cripple it (time played, locations etc.).
For certain games it's not so bad as you release the demo with limited maps, or levels, but with open world RPGs it's not that simple, and just easy for someone who know what they are doing to hack out the restirictions and get the full game as it is to crack the DRM.
 

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Interesting post Ford.
It seems that there is a semantical difference between what people view as DRM.
One could say that DRM prevents you from playing a game when you do not meet the requirements of what the publisher views as a valid copy (CD/DVD check, constant internet connection, etc.)
If the software allows you to use what you have, but just reports that it's illegal it is not infringing upon you ability to use the software (although there may be consequences for doing so).

It's kind of like speed limits in the US. There is nothing to prevent you from going 100mph (DRM), but if you get caught you get fined. Perhaps a poor analogy, but you know what I mean.
The end goal is the same: sue someone for copyright infringement. Just because their DRM is reactive instead of proactive doesn't exclude it from being DRM. If you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.