Thermal Paste for Laptop. I need your help!

[juanldeaza]

Hi!
I need to repaste for the first time.

My MSi GF75 Thin 9SC reach to insane temps 98-99 and follow all the rules and read tons of comments. But 2 cores reach immediately to 99C if i set prochot to 98, then power down from 62w Max to 45w slowly, and even lower than 40w. Finally my CNR20 stop and the speed of the CPU its about 3300mhz. If i put the fan at max speed only works at max speed 10 seconds longer, then start to low the power. My max CN20 score : 2.950
Limits on TS shows EDP other under ring, PL1 (i set 80 and 110). So the problem is bad thermal paste

So i need to repaste, i never ever do it. So i have the original TP. I read a lot of forums, and the problem its the laptops use low pressure system. So i need a special thermal paste for this system.
My candidates are:

Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut: Dry fast if temps reach to 80C and above. Thats its my case so dont work for me.​

Noctua NH2: ???
Arctic MX-4: I read that its not good for laptops
Arctic MX-5: ???
Artic Silver 5: ??


Liquid metal its not an option for me.
So, i need your advice, and help to choose a good thermal paste for my laptop, that work good on temps above 80C, without pump effect, and last longer. I don't want to open my laptop every 3 months to repaste. IC graphite and carbonite...i dont want that options.

This is a video that shows my system fans setup:

My setup: i7 9750H - 16Gb dual channel - 17.3 screen 60hz.
Undervolt:
Core: -230mv
Cache: -150mv
Disable and lock turbo power limits: Check
Iccmax core: 128
Iccmax Cache: 128
Turbo B. LPM: 80
Turbo BSPM: 110
PP0: 130
Intel power balance: 9 and 13 (original values)
Only checked in main windows : Speed Shift 80, BDprochot, Speedstep

Ty for your time and valious help!

 

[mclaren85]

Just use a geniune one. There would not be more than 3 C degress of difference

 

[nguyen]

Best paste for Laptop are: Thermalright TF-X, SYY or Thermagic ZF-EX. These pastes should last a long time under high temperature.

How to apply new thermal paste
1. clean off the previous TIM with 90% isopropyl alcohol
2. Put the X pattern on GPU (4 small dots in the quadrant) and 1 line on the CPU
3. Use a hair dryer to warm up the TIM before mounting the cooler
4. Tighten the screws in the X order to evenly distribute the mounting pressure (1 rotation then switch to the opposite screw)
5. Keep using the hairdryer to heat up to heatsink
6. Tighten the screws until it stop completely using only the fingers to hold the screw drivers (do not use your palm as you can over-tighten)

 

[juanldeaza]

Best paste for Laptop are: Thermalright TF-X, SYY or Thermagic ZF-EX. These pastes should last a long time under high temperature.

How to apply new thermal paste
1. clean off the previous TIM with 90% isopropyl alcohol
2. Put the X pattern on GPU (4 small dots in the quadrant) and 1 line on the CPU
3. Use a hair dryer to warm up the TIM before mounting the cooler
4. Tighten the screws in the X order to evenly distribute the mounting pressure (1 rotation then switch to the opposite screw)
5. Keep using the hairdryer to heat up to heatsink
6. Tighten the screws until it stop completely using only the fingers to hold the screw drivers (do not use your palm as you can over-tighten)

Ty bro. If i cant buy those TP, any other recomendation? MX2 perhaps?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Noctua

 

[8tyone]

Ty bro. If i cant buy those TP, any other recomendation? MX2 perhaps?

You could try Kingpin KPx.

 

[Falkentyne]

You could try Kingpin KPx.

Old thick KPx was great for laptops. New thin KPx is not.

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The current king of laptop pastes seem to be TFX, SYY, FuzeIce Plus.
Its very highly likely that Fuzeice Plus and SYY are the same paste, related in the same way to TFX / ZF-EX.

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[GerKNG]

Arctic MX5 is actually very decent on direct die (compared to MX4 which is awful)

i have NT H2 here and MX5 beats it by 1°C and it does not degrade even after a month on a 10900k at 5.1 Ghz at 1.41v
and i have it on a 6900XT that runs at 340W and the temps are identical compared to ~5 Weeks ago.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Noctua NH2

Get this, also make sure you spread the paste to cover the whole die, when making direct die contact, it is recommended to spread the paste evenly.

 

[juanldeaza]

Arctic MX5 is actually very decent on direct die (compared to MX4 which is awful)

i have NT H2 here and MX5 beats it by 1°C and it does not degrade even after a month on a 10900k at 5.1 Ghz at 1.41v
and i have it on a 6900XT that runs at 340W and the temps are identical compared to ~5 Weeks ago.

Awesome info bro. Ty i just order 1 MX5 and 1 NH2. I found little info about MX-5. You spread the MX5 over the cpu die or just put a dot?

 

[GerKNG]

Awesome info bro. Ty i just order 1 MX5 and 1 NH2. I found little info about MX-5. You spread the MX5 over the cpu die or just put a dot?

direct die = manual application.
on CPU, just a blob in the middle (but beware, MX5 looks like it's a lot but it does not spread that far as it might look at first sight)

 

[XT785]

What about GELID SOULTIONS GC EXTREME? I've heard it's pretty awesome for laptop dies! Anyone?

 

[watzupken]

Personally, I've used MX4 for a few laptops, desktops CPUs and GPUs, but I don't remember running into any issues. The problem with laptop is that the temps can easily hit the 90s. Most thermal compound says that its best to not exceed certain temps, but they can still last a few years. I also observed that you tend not to see any difference in temperature after applying a better thermal compound since the bottleneck is with the small heatsinks found on laptops. You may however notice the system boost more often, and/or, lower fan noise.

 

[micropage7]

just any paste under $6, and you can find locally it will be fine

 

[xtreemchaos]

dont laugh ! i use a very cheap paste from china GD900, ive used it for years you get 50g for about £6 and its as good as most, you can pay a lot more for 1g, i use it on laptops gpu and cpu. ok laugh but kindly.

 

[Falkentyne]

What about GELID SOULTIONS GC EXTREME? I've heard it's pretty awesome for laptop dies! Anyone?

I already posted the thread with temps for GC Extreme. Did you not read my posts?

GC Extreme isn't good for laptops. At least not the new batches. There seem to be two batches out. One that does better than Kryonaut(!), and one that does much worse. Luumi reviewed that one on his Kryonaut Extreme vs KPx youtube video and said he was sending it back to Gelid.

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It's the same problem with KPx now. New batches of KPx are runny and not good for laptops. Old batches are extremely thick and great for laptops.

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[juanldeaza]

In gonna try

MX-5 First Ty to @GerKNG
NH2 Ty @unclewebb
Mx2 Ty to internet

If none of the thermal pastes work for my laptop (msi) then I will make a drastic decision:
I will buy a desktop and leave the laptop only for office, and light jobs.

I'm looking if I build it with AMD R5 5600X - Aorus Elite B550 -16 Ram - 3060 RTX - Hynix p31 gold 1Tb - 144hz Asus TUF screen.

I hope the thermal paste works and so I can save those USD1,700 !!

I have faith!

 

[XT785]

I already posted the thread with temps for GC Extreme. Did you not read my posts?

GC Extreme isn't good for laptops. At least not the new batches. There seem to be two batches out. One that does better than Kryonaut(!), and one that does much worse. Luumi reviewed that one on his Kryonaut Extreme vs KPx youtube video and said he was sending it back to Gelid.

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It's the same problem with KPx now. New batches of KPx are runny and not good for laptops. Old batches are extremely thick and great for laptops.

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Sorry, I'm a new member here and I just joined yesterday. So, according to your experience, which thermal paste(s) would you recommend for laptops that has the least amount of pump out effect, is very viscous and thick, and doesn't need to be repasted frequently. Also, delta cores difference is the minimum at load. Thanks.

 

[famicom9x]

this is my persnal test on asus tuf a15
method of test = playing gta 5 let agonist stand in his house, dont come outside and wait for 10 mins
ambient temp = 24-25C (use air conditioner set at 24C)
fan speed = 4800rpm (must wait for fan to come up to this speed because this laptop dont allow u to mannualy control fan

result:
paste: cpu temp | gpu temp
stock paste 85.5 69.5
mx 4 2019 85.5 72.5
zf ex 83.5 68.5
zf 12 evo 85 69
gelid gc extreme 84.5 66.5
noctua nt-h2 79.5 66.5
now im staying with noctua, i used to want to test with kingpin, phobya, mx5 and kryonaut extreme but because no one sell those paste in my country so i gave up. still want another to test those thermal paste on laptop though.
this testing i only use it about 1 week then repaste with another , so still not know about those paste durability.

 

[Hyderz]

this is my persnal test on asus tuf a15
method of test = playing gta 5 let agonist stand in his house, dont come outside and wait for 10 mins
ambient temp = 24-25C (use air conditioner set at 24C)
fan speed = 4800rpm (must wait for fan to come up to this speed because this laptop dont allow u to mannualy control fan

result:
paste: cpu temp | gpu temp
stock paste 85.5 69.5
mx 4 2019 85.5 72.5
zf ex 83.5 68.5
zf 12 evo 85 70
gelid gc extreme 84.5 67.5
noctua nt-h2 79.5 65.5
now im staying with noctua, i used to want to test with kingpin, phobya, mx5 and kryonaut extreme so i gave up. still want another to test those thermal paste on laptop though.

if i remember correctly the asus tuf a15 has a blocked airflow directly on the fans.... i remember watching some of the youtube reviewers saying that their tuf a15 runs on the hot side...

 

[famicom9x]

if i remember correctly the asus tuf a15 has a blocked airflow directly on the fans.... i remember watching some of the youtube reviewers saying that their tuf a15 runs on the hot side...

yeah the asus tuf 2020 have very little van on the chassis, it air flow is so bad it make my laptop throttle when playing heavy game like gta5 (temp jump to 95/85C and begin to throttle cpu jump from 4.2ghz to 3.7 ghz ) that why i tried to repaste with better thermla paste, after repaste now my temp is around 84-92 cpu and 75-79 cpu (amibient about 30c) and throttle is prevented, cpu now is 4.2 ghz.

 

[Hyderz]

yeah the asus tuf 2020 have very little van on the chassis, it air flow is so bad it make my laptop throttle when playing heavy game like gta5 (temp jump to 95/85C and begin to throttle cpu jumpt ot 4.2ghz to 3.7 ghz ) that why i tried to repaste with better thermla paste, after repaste now my temp is around 84-92 cpu and 75-79 cpu (amibient about 30c) and throttle is prevented, cpu now is 4.2 ghz.

yeah i think it was hardware unboxed cut holes in the chassis and the temps dropped more...

 

[XT785]

The current king of laptop pastes seem to be TFX, SYY, FuzeIce Plus.

Please out of these 3 pastes that you recommended, which one should I buy for my laptop? Also, is it safe to buy from aliexpress if not available on amazon? Thanks Sir!

 

[Falkentyne]

Please out of these 3 pastes that you recommended, which one should I buy for my laptop? Also, is it safe to buy from aliexpress if not available on amazon? Thanks Sir!

Best choice, but most expensive; TFX (Or Thermagic ZF-EX, which is its clone). Aliexpress is perfectly safe, it has a money back guarantee. You just have to deal with the slow boat shipping.
For sanity purposes, TFX if you can get it on amazon but it's expensive. If you want to save money, you can buy 6.2g of TFX on aliexpress for about $28 or so.

ZF-EX is the same paste as TFX (might explain why it's so expensive), but if you're lucky you can buy it for 2 grams / $7 if there's a sale or discount.
This is the best paste because of how thick it is, and thick is good for laptops.
TFX / ZF-EX is *thick* and very difficult to spread. But spreading it gives the best results on a laptop. Suggest you follow these posts here.

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If you have access to amazon USA, SYY-157 is extremely good paste, it's basically a wetter, easier to spread TFX. On a laptop, make sure you spread a thick layer of it. (spreading it too thin gives worse results).
Read here: And you can see how well it does vs TFX.

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FuzeIce Plus is basically the same paste as SYY-157 (all those factories in Guangdong seem to be next to each other so that explains that; some may come from the same factory or multiple factories may be using the same composition), but is a bit more expensive.
SYY-157 is basically the most bang for the buck, with how much you get per gram (8 grams is $13 dollars) and its performance being right up there with TFX. The 15% off coupon is apparently up once again.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079DQS77Q/

 

[juanldeaza]

Finally mx-5 arrive.
Opened the laptop.
Unscrew all torqs
Disconnect the cable that go to mainboard.
Clean.
Put mx-5 pt.. Awesome paste..
Screw all. Torqs.
Connected the cable to MB and suddenly
Sparkles and smell to burn plástic. A little black smoke come to me.

I burn and kill my laptop

Not turning on
Battery was connected.. A big big mistake

Come from technical store. A waiting for the resume of damages.

Damn...
Damn..

Damn.