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Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT and aftermarket fans?

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I currently have this beast of a cooler and its hands down one of the best air coolers you can buy. Can you replace the stock fan with something else? I was thinking about replacing it with another fan model (more for aesthetic purposes because I am going for a mostly black w/ red accents theme).

I assume you can just use the fan clips on any 140mm fan, but what about buying a separate set of clips and adding an additional fan?

The included fan is actually a great fan:

Thermalright 147B
Rated Speed: 300 - 1300 RPM
Noise Level: 14 - 20dBA
Airflow: 16.9 - 73.6 CFM

They make a black version that has identical specs (which I guess I could get, but it looks pretty simple). I was possibly thinking about replacing it with a be Quiet! Silent Wings 3 140mm High-Speed and adjusting the speed for the ideal noise and airflow rating, but I am not sure what I would have to set it at.

Any thoughts?
 
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Fans can be changed as long as dimensions are the same, otherwise you need mounting modifications...
 
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Two best fans on the market are and Phantek's PH-F140SPs and Silent Wing 3's. I would not recommend going to a higher speed.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html

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a) Fan speeds are matched to the cooler's fin spacing, changing the rpm has less than optimal results.

b) Typically, speed control will take you down to about 25% on PWM, some DCV fans i.e. Phanteks can match this level, others don't do quite as well. I have the Phanteks in my build, using a Phanteks PWM controller on the 3 pin DCV 1250 rpm fans, they go down to about 320 rpm. If you use those 2000 rpm fans, I expect your minimum speed (PWM) will be around 520 rpm ... my fans rarely break 550. My recommendation would therefor be to stick with the 1250 rm variety.
 
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I have those phanteks fans and they are ridiculously good. The thermlaright fan that the grand macho comes with is pretty damn good too though, so im not sure it would be worth changing to anything other than the phanteks or the noctua a series.

Also the grand macho is designed to use the exhaust fan as the second fan, so instead of clips, I would just get a shroud that pushes the back exhaust case fan to the cooler.

Finally if you reverse the ariflow for the grand macho (so it's intaking clean air), or flip the top exahust fan to intake to blow cold air on it, it makes quite a difference in performance.

But really the grand macho is designed to cool silently and can deal with a decent heat-load, but it doesn't do so well with hue spikes in temperatures (i.e. skylake X, 9900k etc.) in my case - so trying to turn it into a high performance cooler that dissipates a ton of heat quickly is really not what it was designed for, you would get better results with a D15 or an AIO for that.
 
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You can mostly al ways zip tie fans to an air cooler. I have done that with two coolers. Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Silverstone FM121 120 MM fans and my current Noctua NH-D14 with 3 x noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm 120 MM fans and that have worked great. I dit that because the fans i wanted to use dit not fit with the mounting clips. Zip ties is a nerds best friend:D. For your cooler, high static pressure fans is what i will use. I have al ways chosen fans with a wide RPM range, because then i can have a silent and a system with peak cooling peformance. That is why i chose Noctua´s industrial ppc 3000 RPM fans as they can operate from 300 RPM and all the way up to just around 3000 RPM when PWM controlled. That gives me a fan that can be dead silent at low load and also move a lot of air when needed like when i puch my CPU ekstra high for benchmark runs.

You can se here what i dit here with my own system.
 
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You can mostly al ways zip tie fans to an air cooler. I have done that with two coolers. Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Silverstone FM121 120 MM fans and my current Noctua NH-D14 with 3 x noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm 120 MM fans and that have worked great. I dit that because the fans i wanted to use dit not fit with the mounting clips. Zip ties is a nerds best friend:D. For your cooler, high static pressure fans is what i will use. I have al ways chosen fans with a wide RPM range, because then i can have a silent and a system with peak cooling peformance. That is why i chose Noctua´s industrial ppc 3000 RPM fans as they can operate from 300 RPM and all the way up to just around 3000 RPM when PWM controlled. That gives me a fan that can be dead silent at low load and also move a lot of air when needed like when i puch my CPU ekstra high for benchmark runs.

You can se here what i dit here with my own system.



Yeah but with the grand macho there's not alot of room, and the cuts are backwards.
 
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Yeah but with the grand macho there's not alot of room, and the cuts are backwards.
I can see the problem with a small case like that. Well then zip ties is not gonna work with that much limited space. That is why i never get small cases, they are way to cramp.
 
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I can see the problem with a small case like that. Well then zip ties is not gonna work with that much limited space. That is why i never get small cases, they are way to cramp.
 
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The ARCTIC BioniX series has red and black versions. They're very nice looking and great performing fans. Probably not the quietest fans you can get. But the air flow(specifically for the F140), and/or static pressure(specifically for the P140) they're capable of is very good. Not to mention the extremely high durability(backed by a 10 year warranty). And the convenience of having built-in connectors for running multiple fans with the same PWM signal. No need to buy additional splitters.

Anyway, I've got a pair of the F120s and a pair of the P120s in black an white. And I'm very pleased with them. They do their jobs very well. And look good doing it too. But, like I said, probably not the absolute quietest fans you can get. But they're not what I would call "loud" either. I'd call them "pretty quiet" in fact, if your not running them "full blast". Especially the P120s.
 
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Yeah but with the grand macho there's not alot of room, and the cuts are backwards.

What case is that? That looks very small. I am going to be working in a Define R6.

Anyways, I think I am just going to get the TY-140 (its the same as the TY-147B, but in black). I don't know if I will have room in my case to put a second TY-140 on my Grand Macho, but if I do, will that make it even better? Right now I am using this on a Ryzen 7 1700X, but the upgraded processor will be a Ryzen 5 3600X which in theory will produce less heat.

My cooling setup will be the following:

Fractal Design Define R6 (non-window) - 2x 140mm Aerocool DS fans in the front, 1x 140mm Aerocool DS fan in the rear

CPU cooler: Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT (Thermalright TY140 fan) and thinking about adding a second fan.
 
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What case is that? That looks very small. I am going to be working in a Define R6.

Anyways, I think I am just going to get the TY-140 (its the same as the TY-147B, but in black). I don't know if I will have room in my case to put a second TY-140 on my Grand Macho, but if I do, will that make it even better? Right now I am using this on a Ryzen 7 1700X, but the upgraded processor will be a Ryzen 5 3600X which in theory will produce less heat.

My cooling setup will be the following:

Fractal Design Define R6 (non-window) - 2x 140mm Aerocool DS fans in the front, 1x 140mm Aerocool DS fan in the rear

CPU cooler: Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT (Thermalright TY140 fan) and thinking about adding a second fan.
I honestly think the bone stock Macho RT will cool that chip without issues just the normal with that TY-140 that you're getting. The best bang for the buck additional cooling mod that worked for me would to intake air through the back and cool it using cold air, have the top fans as exhausts.


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This is a fractal C but the concept is the same with the longer R6 ... add the bottom fan to feed the gfx card and then exhaust out the top intake from the back right into the macho.

It doesnt make a huge difference in tests initially at startup, but after a few hours of gaming the difference between cooling with exhaust air and clean air is massive.
 
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I honestly think the bone stock Macho RT will cool that chip without issues just the normal with that TY-140 that you're getting. The best bang for the buck additional cooling mod that worked for me would to intake air through the back and cool it using cold air, have the top fans as exhausts.


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This is a fractal C but the concept is the same with the longer R6 ... add the bottom fan to feed the gfx card and then exhaust out the top intake from the back right into the macho.

It doesnt make a huge difference in tests initially at startup, but after a few hours of gaming the difference between cooling with exhaust air and clean air is massive.
Would such a setup cause a lot of noise? Reason I got a Define 6 was to limit noise.
 
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Wouldn't such a setup cause a lot of noise?
The TY-140s are dead silent at 700 rpm (IMO and im super picky), so you can have a few of them going - even at full bore @1300 rpm they're quiet enough to hear your cat fart from across the room.

You don't have to go for this setup, this is just if you're chasing "MAX PERFORMANCE" which you don't need to do -- I was using this to cool a overclocked 7820x in an nzxt s340 and needed the extra head room. It's a very quiet system no matter how you configure it, I think you will be very happy with your decision either way.

I was just making the point that the grand macho LOVES cold air - that's why when you read reviews of it on an open test bench it dominates, but if you get it into a stuffy case with a hot gfx card it falls off in performance very quickly. So if you're looking to add performance to it, the best way is to make sure it's not relying on the internal air of a silent system that's being heated by other components.

Basically cold air at a lower speed > hotter air at a higher speed for this cooler.
 
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TY143 is a monster fan with identical foot print if that color fits you, probably not though, its not red but orange impeller and burgundy frame.
I run them on my Phanteks because they offer quite a bit more juice than the stock Phanteks fans provide. Dual ball bearing and some impressive static pressure and CFM. They can be controlled with PWM to reduce speed and consequently noise to a more reasonable dB level.
200200121_gr.jpg
Size 152 x 140 mm
Installation Depth 26.5 mm
Voltage Range 12 V
Fan Speed 600 - 2,500 rpm
Rated Power 7.2 W
Air Flow 31.5 - 130 CFM
Air Flow 54 - 221 m³/h
Static Pressure 0.25 – 4.21 mmH2O
Noise 21 - 45 dB(A)
Durabilty 50,000 h
Bearing 2-Ball Bearing
Connector 4-Pin PWM
Manufacturer Number TY 143
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Personally I don't care about aesthetics. These things cool pretty well. Kind of expensive though.
 
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The TY-140s are dead silent at 700 rpm (IMO and im super picky), so you can have a few of them going - even at full bore @1300 rpm they're quiet enough to hear your cat fart from across the room.

You don't have to go for this setup, this is just if you're chasing "MAX PERFORMANCE" which you don't need to do -- I was using this to cool a overclocked 7820x in an nzxt s340 and needed the extra head room. It's a very quiet system no matter how you configure it, I think you will be very happy with your decision either way.

I was just making the point that the grand macho LOVES cold air - that's why when you read reviews of it on an open test bench it dominates, but if you get it into a stuffy case with a hot gfx card it falls off in performance very quickly. So if you're looking to add performance to it, the best way is to make sure it's not relying on the internal air of a silent system that's being heated by other components.

Basically cold air at a lower speed > hotter air at a higher speed for this cooler.
Well doesn't the Define 6 have pretty good airflow? The the two 140mm Aerocool DS fans should be pulling in a lot of cool air.
 
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Well doesn't the Define 6 have pretty good airflow? The the two 140mm Aerocool DS fans should be pulling in a lot of cool air.
The front door chokes everything out, and if you're running a silent system with one exhaust fan and a Vega 64, that case is going to be an oven.
 
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The front door chokes everything out, and if you're running a silent system with one exhaust fan and a Vega 64, that case is going to be an oven.
Hmm....
 
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TY-143 on LGMRT is a good match. It’s quieter on that cooler than TS140P, I’m guessing because of the fin depth.
 
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here is another example:



the other option is a duct to the back fan so you get a strong push pull... I think the duct only comes in this heinous orange color though. As an alternative to the zipties.

Edit: NVM: they changed them to all black. Sweet.

http://thermalright.com/product/140mm-fan-duct/
http://thermalright.com/product/120mm-fan-duct/

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I actually like this idea... so I guess what I could do is have 2 140mm fans pulling in from the front panel. My GPU will be pushing the heat up and then I will have my Grand Macho RT pull air from the outside... I guess the question is, what do I do with my rear 140mm fan? Also I should have the vents open, but I am a afraid it will be a little noisy. My Red Devil doesn't get too loud though so fingers crossed. Regardless, this is definitely one of the setups I am going to look into.
 
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