Discussion in 'Storage' started by newtekie1, Sep 12, 2009.
<-- My moods as I watched the Analyze process from start to finish.
OMG 1.5TB of data completely fragmented!
Please do a Start->Space (on both HDs), please, please, please!
Also post the time that was required to sort it out if you can.
use the ultimatedefrag2008 or something like that.... awesome defragmenter AND you get to put the thing you use the most on the edges so it loads up faster
Nah, O&O is better, IMO. Automatically does that, based on last modified, name, or most accessed, if I wish. It will also put everything as close to the edge as possible.
That is what I'm doing. I started it right after taking the screenshot, and I'm letting it run overnight. I'll let you know if it is still going in the morning.
How did it fragment so bad?
I find O&O the best defrag tool.
Here is what happened.
I bought two Seagate LP 5900RPM 1.5TB drives.
I put them in RAID0 to give me a 3TB volume.(Speed wasn't an issue, nor redundancy, as this is purely a backup volume for my 3TB RAID5 array.)
I then started copying everything over to the volume using Robocopy, which took about 16 hours over my gigabit network.
Appearently, because of the way Robocopy works, it fragmented pretty much everything as it coppied.
That is why everything is neatly packed at the top of the drive, but yet still horribly fragmented.
Edit: Just checked on it. 31% finished, 3 Days 6 Hours remaining...
you should try teracopy, it doesnt have these corruption issues and seems similar.
ultimate defrag is better than O&O - O&O always had weird issues (the services are always running, it would wake my PC out of sleep mode sometimes for no reason, and so on)
I prefer RichCopy actually. The only reason I used Robocopy is because I can automate it easily with a bat file, so I could easily schedule it as a task to run nightly to back up my data, and it comes built into Windows.
And the services running witn O&O allow it to run the automated jobs, if you don't use that feature, just disable them in services.msc. Never had the issue with it waking from sleep, though I rarely put any of my machines to sleep anymore, they are all on 24/7 folding, or completely shut down.
I don't really see anything that Ultimate Defrag offers over O&O, and I don't get Ultimate Defrag for free...
if you disable O&O's services, the entire program stops working. the client ties into the service, and cant run without it.
ultimate defrag lets you choose high and low priority files - EG, windows to the fast part of the drive, your porn folder to the slow part.
so Far Ultimate defrag is the best in mho
It isn't that hard to go in and start the service when you want, not that the service takes up much resources anyway, I'm sure I can manage without the 5MB of RAM the O&O serice uses...(and yes, I've checked, 5MB is all it uses)
And O&O does the same thing, it just does it all automatically for you. Most accessed files to the fast part of the drive, least access files to the slow. It is one of the defrag options.
Ultimate Defrag doesn't offer anything over O&O, it doesn't defrag any better, and it isn't free. So there is really no reason to continue the discussion.
Out of curiosity why is your backup machine running windows?
Because no other operating system would allow me the functionality I need. It isn't just a backup machine. Single purpose machines are stupid unless you are rich, and I ain't rich.
What else does it do?
Is it done yet?
Normal Workstation Stuff(Internet, Email, Office, etc.)
As soon as Linux allows me to do all that, and is as easy to setup and configure each thing, I'll switch in a heartbeat.
Ah, yeah some of that could be a bit rough to do under a *nix OS. Ever thought of running the fileserver part in a VM? If the machine has enough power (file serving in your house takes no power at all) that would be a nice way to set it up, and administor the data a bit better. Again just some suggestions
And IMO windows defraging on huge volumes is a MEGA PITA.... Place i did some work for (actually setting them up a new fileserver setup lol) had their data stored on a windows based machine with ~8TB's of live data..... that was a mess took me the better part of a week to get it all straightened away and sorted out.
On a side note my home fileserver runs a *nix build on it, and i also run a couple VMs on it as well for other things.... mind you it has more power than it knows what to do with.... quadcore @ 3Ghz, 8GB ram, 3x gigE bonded NICs in it... lol
The FTP, Media, and File server all share the same data basically. No real reason to run it in a virtual machine from what I've seen.
yeah if it doesent suite your needs then i guess your stuck with yucky windows for serving
Nothing wrong with Windows, it actually works really well in the roles I've put it in. Just don't use IIS, and your fine.
*eye twitch* IIS is an abomination.
I agree windows does some serving things nicely... all depends what you are running though too.
so... is it done yet?
Nope. 36% Finished, 2 Days 16 Hours remaining...
Disable Monitoring for all drives... (O&O automatically defragments HDs when PC is idle for a while).
As for the service, it's required to detect new HDs (hot-swap and flash drives for the monitoring stuff) and to "lock" the Windows defragment service, so that if the power is cut during defragment your hard drive don't became corrupted (try doing this with other defragers than O&O and JkDefrag and you'll see what happens).
Also newtekie1 disable everything else that is running before defragging (like AV, Media players, web browser, screen-saver, really everything and let only the defragger run).
my point was that while its required for O&O, its not for ultimatedefrag.
You have two similar (and competing) utilities, one needs services running 24/7, hijacks your screensaver and tries to defrag when you're idle, and another that doesnt.
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