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Hello techpowerup.

As per customer’s demand i am and will have to build this pc instead of lga3647.

So here we go...

Processor: Threadripper 2990wx
Motherboard: Asus (recomendation)
Ram: Gskill or Corsair (64gb 3200mhz)
Gpu: 2x GTX2080Ti
Storage: Samsung 970 pro NVME 512gb
Powersupply: Recommendation

I need some advises as per performance parts and vendors.

And definitely price to deal with (lowest)

And ofcorse if someone has these and willing to sale the customer does accept unless the hardware is not abused.
 
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Unless he needs all those cores, a 2950wx costs a lot less and has heaps of cores still, as well as a higher boost clock.
 
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"As per customers demand" guys.

Just build it and profit. Fools and money will be parted...

But really, this should be going back to the drawing board, it reads as that typical uninformed rich kid PC.
 

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What would this monster be used for ?

Because 2990Wx is a very poor gaming CPU, and 2x RTX 2080Ti's are going to be used for.... ?

Why are you assuming this build is intended for gaming? Because of the two 2080Ti's? Has it occurred to you this build's requestor has a need for two such GPUs for other reasons?

I'll give you an example: fellow TPUer @xkm1948 uses his 2080Ti for his bioinformatic work.

As the saying goes, "assumption is the mother of all fvck-ups".

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@ OP:

- be careful with the RAM you end up choosing: make sure it's in whatever board's QVL you end up getting and, even then, odds are you'll have to run it @ lower-then-rated-spec speeds due to it being 64 GB.
- this dude has @ least SEVEN TR builds and AFAIK all of them use AsRock Taichi x399 board. That includes @ least one TR 2990WX. So long as the build's requestor doesn't plan on upgrading the CPU later to one with even more cores (assuming they'll exist) due to possible issues with the VRMs, this board should work quite well.
- no mention of the planned CPU cooling. According to this review, the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 is the best air cooler for this platform.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
You're building this for a customer...but need advice to do so? What kind of company are you running?

Anyway, we need to know the uses for this machine. As was pointed out earlier, unless your buyer can use all the cores and threads, it's a waste of money. It doesnt game as well as their much cheaper counterparts. With sli you want a fast cpu with high clockspeeds....TR isnt that.

Why are you assuming this build is intended for gaming?
Because it's a fair assumption considering how many people game versus uses gpus to crunch at home. I mean, you are right, there are other uses...but there isnt a need to look crooked at someone who suggests gaming...its a primary use.
 
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"As per customers demand" guys.

Just build it and profit. Fools and money will be parted...

Fool or not, that's not the OP's problem - The customer as it's said is always right so if they have the money, just build it.

But really, this should be going back to the drawing board, it reads as that typical uninformed rich kid PC.

Could well be but again, it's not the OP's problem.
If the customer specifically said "I want this and that" they should get it as long as they pony up for the parts.

The following however would be a gray area:
If the customer said "I want it to do this and that" but the actual parts selection was left up to the OP based on what they expect from the build then I'd have to say once the OP has a list of components for the build go over the parts list with the customer, explain things and the options available per cost of it all and let them make the final decision on what's purchased. In that case the research of it all is on the OP and they should come up with a few variants parts-wise and price-wise of the final build to present to the customer for going over.

This way the OP isn't at fault for what was chosen for it, cost to build or whatever else related to purchasing it all.
 
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Fool or not, that's not the OP's problem - The customer as it's said is always right so if they have the money, just build it.



Could well be but again, it's not the OP's problem.
If the customer specifically said "I want this and that" they should get it as long as they pony up for the parts.

The following however would be a gray area:
If the customer said "I want it to do this and that" but the actual parts selection was left up to the OP based on what they expect from the build then I'd have to say once the OP has a list of components for the build go over the parts list with the customer, explain things and the options available per cost of it all and let them make the final decision on what's purchased. In that case the research of it all is on the OP and they should come up with a few variants parts-wise and price-wise of the final build to present to the customer for going over.

This way the OP isn't at fault for what was chosen for it, cost to build or whatever else related to purchasing it all.

Absolutely 100% agree but there are examples where good advice is valued highly by customers and is reason to come back. That would certainly apply here if we consider the CPU choice, unless the customer has a very specific use case for it. Its the worst possible choice really at the highest possible cost.
 
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Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
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Absolutely 100% agree but there are examples where good advice is valued highly by customers and is reason to come back. That would certainly apply here if we consider the CPU choice, unless the customer has a very specific use case for it. Its the worst possible choice really at the highest possible cost.

That's why I also said what was below - If the customer themselves dropped the parts list into the OP's lap and said "Build it" that's certainly not on the OP, he would be doing the job as requested.

If the customer said they had a certain use in mind and wanted it to be something based on a TR build running a 2990 or something similar then that does open up options.

I learned a long time ago that if you present things to the customer and just go over it with them, showing them options that may not be quite as expensive most will at least listen and consider. I also agree to say some of the things may be/are overkill for a given useage then you present something cheaper and not as extreme, again most of the time they will listen.

However you will eventually get the one that will tell you "If I wanted a 24 core I would have said 24 core - I said 32 core and that's what I expect" so.....
If that's the case chances are they already know it's gonna cost and don't really care about the rest as long as they get what they want. That's been my experience with it, some folks just don't care about the cost as long as they get what they want.
That goes right back to "The customer is always right" if so.

You still want to present them with the cost of it all to make sure they understand so you're not blamed if it's not what the customer expected cost-wise.

Since this has kinda gone off topic I'll make these two suggestions.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119186
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119026
The Strix is certainly cheaper yet still gives plenty of features to use.
The Alpha is really more of an overclocker's board, fully capable of pushing one yet still has alot of features itself.

If the customer wants it just for features and useability then the Strix is the one.
If they plan on pushing the chip along the way then the Alpha would be it if anything.
 
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There are better options than Asus for threadripper especially when it comes to the 2990WX. Would suggest the MSI MEG over it as the VRM is substantially better.
 

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Okay now that i have read all the post i will definitely want to tell i never built an amd system and there is no channel or distributers over here in my country. Intel is dominant and is always recommended.
Regardless still people buy either used or import hardware.
This build is put forward by a realiable customer Basically deals in H265 encoding. File server and casual gaming.

I have put forward some options but he is not interested iv also wanted him to consider Asus Dominus Extreme+Xeon W3175X for better results over Threadripper. But no he says he wants to settle with it.

This morning i got a call for quad SLI recomendation although Two 2080ti were more then enough to handle his 4k gaming.

I need to know more about the boards ? Asus Zenith Extreme is a better option no ?
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I don't think Quad-SLI exists anymore unless it is two (old) dual GPU video cards.

Is the Zenith Extm a better option as in what? What does your customer NEED? You as the seller, need to be asking the person these questions and looking up boards that fit his needs. This is a waste of time for us being a intermediary right now as we have no idea what the client's requirements are. We are 17 posts in and just now know he does encoding and casual gaming. How many SATA ports? M.2? USB 3.1 G2? etc...

Hard to help with such little information...
 
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I don't think Quad-SLI exists anymore unless it is two (old) dual GPU video cards.

Better option as in what? What does your customer NEED? You as the seller, need to be asking the person these questions and looking up boards that fit his needs. This is a waste of time for us being a intermediary right now as we have no idea what the client's requirements are. We are 17 posts in and NOW know he does encoding and casual gaming. How many SATA ports? M.2? USB 3.1 G2? etc...

Hard to help without any information...

Even back in the day when Quad SLI was supported it was a big hassle to get working properly. These days even 2 cards in SLI is questionable as a lot of Developers have stopped supporting SLI. Too few gamers use it for Developers to consider it worth their time to bother with anymore.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
No doubt. Scaling was typically terrible when it was en vogue. Now... no way would I do that even if it worked. :p

But yeah, OP needs to get himself together here and see what the heck his customer wants. Just buying the highest of high end motherboards isn't the answer... though this is clearly a more money than sense build so that needs to be kept in mind.
 
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Okay now that i have read all the post i will definitely want to tell i never built an amd system and there is no channel or distributers over here in my country. Intel is dominant and is always recommended.
Regardless still people buy either used or import hardware.
This build is put forward by a realiable customer Basically deals in H265 encoding. File server and casual gaming.

I have put forward some options but he is not interested iv also wanted him to consider Asus Dominus Extreme+Xeon W3175X for better results over Threadripper. But no he says he wants to settle with it.

This morning i got a call for quad SLI recomendation although Two 2080ti were more then enough to handle his 4k gaming.

I need to know more about the boards ? Asus Zenith Extreme is a better option no ?

Quad SLI for gaming? Good luck even enabling dual SLI for current games, been waiting for SLI profiles for multiple current games, with no real support from major studios, SLI is going the way of the dodo.

As a 2080 Ti owner, I can tell you one card is enough for maxed out settings gaming at 4K. I wish I could recommend SLI, I've been an advocate for it for many years, but yeah, from personal experience I can't vouch for it anymore.

All my SLI systems run non supported games way worse when I enable two cards, as opposed to using a single card.

Unless you're going for Max profit from this build for your client, you should really do him a favor and advise him against SLI....
 
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Better yet, direct him to this forum topic and I'll slap him in the face for you. :rolleyes:
 
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Better yet, direct him to this forum topic and I'll slap him in the face for you. :rolleyes:
Hush, hush, you don't want his customer to find out that his pro pc builder gets build advice on TPU. You might put Aqeel out of business.
 
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Hush, hush, you don't want his customer to find out that his pro pc builder gets build advice on TPU. You might put Aqeel out of business.

They call that 'a company backed by a powerful community' :p
 
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It depends what for is this potential customer going to use such PC.

I suspect (if this story is somehow real) that it's some spoiled and rich brat with no hardware knowledge spending dad's or mom's money for a "gaming" PC. Despite this might sound awful to some, but if this is the case, rip him/her off as much as possible. Vayra86 mentioned famous proverb about fool and his money. :D The thing is that usually such individuals don't inform properly prior to purchase and base their knowledge on the most expensive products they can find. Even more, if you try recommending them that eg. TR 2950X + single RTX 2080TI + 32GB RAM or i9 9900X + single RTX 2080 Ti + 32 GB RAM (both of which would be a monster 4K gaming machines) are better and much cheaper solutions, they might think that you want to sc**w them up and you'll have a very hard time convincing them otherwise.
In such case I would recommend Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 1000W PSU and Asus ROG Zenith Extreme MOBO.

However, if this is someone who wants a proper 4K gaming PC and if such individual isn't spoiled like some "famous" YT/insta "influencers", be reasonable and suggest Ryzen TR 2950X (cheaper and faster than i9 9900X), Asrock X399 Phantom Gaming 6, iGame/MSI/Gainward/Palit RTX 2080 Ti, 32 GB G.Skill DDR4 and FSP Hydro G 750W PSU.
 
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Fool or not, that's not the OP's problem - The customer as it's said is always right so if they have the money, just build it.

Could well be but again, it's not the OP's problem.
If the customer specifically said "I want this and that" they should get it as long as they pony up for the parts.

Wrong. As a business you have to inform the customer what will not work and why, it's part of the service you provide.

Example: If you go with 4 spare tires (doughnuts) to the tire shop and tell them to install them on your car, they are required to tell you that's a bad idea and if it is even legal (most places is not). After that, they will do what you want, but they informed you. Sometimes they even make you initial a piece of paper that they did so.

This build is put forward by a realiable customer Basically deals in H265 encoding. File server and casual gaming.
I have put forward some options but he is not interested iv also wanted him to consider Asus Dominus Extreme+Xeon W3175X for better results over Threadripper. But no he says he wants to settle with it.
H265 encoding cannot use multiple video cards. SLI or not, the encoding will use either the CPU (in which case a dual socket Intel Xeon will be a better option, Intel just works faster in video encoding) or, if he has a software that can do encoding in GPU, will use the hardware nvenc SIP core inside of ONE of those video cards. That SIP core is the same over the whole range of cards, has nothing to do with the other CUDA or RTX cores, so a 2080TI won't encode faster than a 2060 or even a 1660. However, not all video encoding software supports hardware encoding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC#Sixth_generation,_Turing_TU10x/TU11x

Mixing "file server" with "casual gaming" is a bad idea. Is that file server working just intermittently?
Also, "casual gaming" does not require one 2080Ti. More less 2 or 4 of those.

I think is just a case of spoiled kid spending other people money (parents).
 
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