Tight Squeeze Below $350 as Price of GTX 1660 Ti Revealed

[happy medium]

GTX1660ti ( MSRP $279: 12nm ,190 tensor cores) vs GTX1060 6gb MSRP $249 16nm
Performance (Full HD): +31% for GTX1660ti costing $30 more

Gtx 1660ti MSRP $279 vs GTX1070 MSRP $380
Performance 1660ti +2% for $100 less

GTX1660ti $279 vs rx590 $270
Performance 1660ti +20% for $10 more

1660ti $279 vs rx 580 $200
Performance 1660ti 30% faster for $80 more or ~30% more money , about the same price performance.

So whats the problem?

 

[bug]

This crap is not worth more than 250$ but we like your style ngridia.

Yes, because AMD totally offers GTX 1070 level performance for $250

GTX1660ti ( MSRP $279: 12nm ,190 tensor cores) vs GTX1060 6gb MSRP $249 16nm
Performance (Full HD): +31% for GTX1660ti costing $30 more

1060 6GB was also $279 when released

 

[happy medium]

Yes, because AMD totally offers GTX 1070 level performance for $250


1060 6GB was also $279 when released

Actually it was $249 and $299 for the FE cards.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10474/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-july-19

 

[Robcostyle]

Lol, dumping turing’s bits and pieces for almost 300$. What are they thinking of - that people are worse than totally dumb? This is just ridiculous...

 

[happy medium]

Lol, dumping turing’s bits and pieces for almost 300$. What are they thinking of - that people are worse than totally dumb? This is just ridiculous...

GTX1660ti ( MSRP $279: 12nm ,190 tensor cores) vs GTX1060 6gb MSRP $249 16nm
Performance (Full HD): +31% for GTX1660ti costing $30 more

Gtx 1660ti MSRP $279 vs GTX1070 MSRP $380
Performance 1660ti +2% for $100 less

GTX1660ti $279 vs rx590 $270
Performance 1660ti +20% for $10 more

1660ti $279 vs rx 580 $200
Performance 1660ti 30% faster for $80 more or ~30% more money , about the same price performance.

So whats the problem?!!!!

Slot the 1660ti at 168% on this chart.

 

[bug]

Actually it was $249 and $299 for the FE cards.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10474/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-july-19

Correct. But Pascal FE cards carried a price premium. Custom 1060 designs were $279.
It's rather irrelevant, that's not the price anymore, so you're buying today you're comparing to $249.

 

[happy medium]

Correct. But Pascal FE cards carried a price premium. Custom 1060 designs were $279.
It's rather irrelevant, that's not the price anymore, so you're buying today you're comparing to $249.

The MSRP for the custom cards was $249, if online retailers sold them for more (and yes initially at newegg they were about $280)
that's still not the MSRP. After a month or 2 they will go down to their respected MSRP.

And I quote from AnandTech review....
"For the July 19th launch, much like their higher end cards NVIDIA is going to be launching with two designs and two price points. Officially the GTX 1060 starts at $249; this will be for partner custom cards,"

And quote
"Meanwhile at $299 NVIDIA is launching a Founders Edition card, which implements a full blower."

just to be accurate.

 

[Robcostyle]

So whats the problem?!!!!
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People imaginating things before those get released.

 

[EarthDog]

It leaves more room for those variants Nvidia likes to put out slower memory and the 3GB variant.

They will only be 6GB.

 

[happy medium]

People imaginating things before those get released.

I have some confirmed facts for you .
the 1660ti 's MSRP will be $279
the 1660ti performance is right where I said it is and will only improve with better drivers.
the 1660ti's price /performance will be best in its class.
the 1660ti will come with a free game.

Not disagreeing with you but how do you know this? Didn't Nvidia also plan a RTX 2060 version with 3 GB? Now that would truly be absurd if they really mean to do that.

So far, no one has confirmed a gtx 1660 with 3gb of memory.
If they did release such a card it would be good for 1080p med textures /high detail at 60+ fps for the next 2 years.
I actually think they will release a 1650 3gb.

 

[unikin]

We got nearly ZERO price/performance progress in 3 years! GTX 1660 Ti = GTX 1070 for $300. Where is value in that? So I guess GTX 10660 will be RX 590 for $250? Fuck, we need Navi to be fast and cheap real bad right now. I don't know why I have a feeling we'll be once again utterly disappointed by AMD's GPU division on July the 7th.

RTX 2080TI is priced out of this World -> the worst price/performance ratio of any titanium GPU to date
RTX 2080 is priced exactly as GTX 1080 TI -> no price/performance gain
RTX 2070 is priced at GTX 1080 price -> no price/performance gain
RTX 2060 is priced at GTX 1070 price -> modest price/performance gain
GTX 1660 TI is priced between GTX1060/GTX 1070 -> small price/performance gain
GTX 1660 is priced at GTX 1060 price -> minimal price/performance gain

Conclusion: The only GPU semi worth buying in Turing series is RTX 2060. Turing offers no to very modest price/performance ratio improvement and it's starting to shows on NVidia's gaming division balance sheet. NVidia hasn't given gamers any real reason to upgrade from Pascal.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

RX590 will be competing in performance with GTX1660Ti? RX 590 is nowhere near GTX1070 in performance and this card should be very close to It.

Doubtful. It'll be between GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 which is exactly where the RX 590 is. If it does end up performing closer to GTX 1070, then the $350 price is correct and it competes with Vega 56.

We got nearly ZERO price/performance progress in 3 years! GTX 1660 Ti = GTX 1070 for $300. Where is value in that? So I guess GTX 10660 will be RX 590 for $250? Fuck, we need Navi to be fast and cheap real bad right now. I don't know why I have a feeling we'll be once again utterly disappointed by AMD's GPU division on 7th July.

Right, you are. Lack of competition sucks, don't it?

 

[happy medium]

Doubtful. It'll be between GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 which is exactly where the RX 590 is. If it does end up performing closer to GTX 1070, then the $350 price is correct and it competes with Vega 56.

in case you are being misinformed.

I have some confirmed facts for you .
the 1660ti 's MSRP will be $279
the 1660ti performance is 2% slower on average than a gtx1070 and will only improve with better drivers.
the 1660ti's price /performance will be best in its class and better than the gtx 2060 which is # 4 of all gpu's today and the fastest gpu with the best price /performance..
the 1660ti will come with a free game.

While I agree with you that lack of competition made prices worse, the die sizes of this round of Nvidia gpu's are huge and cost way more money to produce than usual.
The 2060 chip is 445mm vs the gtx 1060's 200mm. more than 2x the size.
the gtx 1080 was only 312mm and the gtx 1080ti was only 471mm.
a $350 rtx 2060 is about the same size chip as a $700 gtx 1080ti.

 

[EarthDog]

Nobody is happy about it... really. I think we all get that. But, IMO, after the 8800GTX came out (and everyone's head exploded at that price), we were all spoiled. Then after spinning the wheels of incremental feature improvements (notable performance) from both camps, NV comes out with something that, in theory, brings IQ improvements through hardware acceleration (more to it than that obviously, but just saying RT/TC). DLSS falls flat, but RT IQ does show improvements. Now the performance hit is a kick in the pants, but, at least we have innovation of some sort. If it catches on and ends up looking better, only time will tell. But yes, because of these innovations + larger die sizes, and better performance /W = significant price increases.

 

[THANATOS]

Doubtful. It'll be between GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 which is exactly where the RX 590 is. If it does end up performing closer to GTX 1070, then the $350 price is correct and it competes with Vega 56.

There is already enough clues to estimate It's performance pretty accurately so I don't understand what is so doubtful about It.
Did you read the review for RTX2060? If you did, then you should know RTX2060 is 17.6% faster in FullHD than GTX1070 and they have pretty much the same specs!
GTX1160 with 1280cuda should be ~17% faster than GTX1060 and also faster than RX590 which is ~10% faster than GTX1060.
GTX1160Ti with 1536cuda should be very close to GTX1070 or perform the same.
The launch price for GTX1160Ti is $279.

 

[ironwolf]

There is already enough clues to estimate It's performance pretty accurately so I don't understand what is so doubtful about It.
Did you read the review for RTX2060? If you did, then you should know RTX2060 is 17.6% faster in FullHD than GTX1070 and they have pretty much the same specs!
GTX1160 with 1280cuda should be ~17% faster than GTX1060 and also faster than RX590 which is ~10% faster than GTX1060.
GTX1160Ti with 1536cuda should be very close to GTX1070 or perform the same.
The launch price for GTX1160Ti is $279.

Don't forget it comes with a free game as well.

 

[happy medium]

350 - 279 = 71
where is the market for this card ?

Any one that wants to upgrade their rx470,rx480 that they paid $230 for 2 years ago will get a 35/40% boost.
gtx1060 3gb, gtx 970 owners will get a 35/40% boost. those that bought a 4gb gtx 960/1050ti for $200 2 or 3 years ago should see a 90% boost. gtx 1060/rx580 owners will see a 30% boost for about the same price they paid 18 months ago.

That's plenty of market! like 50% of the market.

Don't forget it comes with a free game as well.

but do you know which one?

 

[Prince Valiant]

Nobody is happy about it... really. I think we all get that. But, IMO, after the 8800GTX came out (and everyone's head exploded at that price), we were all spoiled. Then after spinning the wheels of incremental feature improvements (notable performance) from both camps, NV comes out with something that, in theory, brings IQ improvements through hardware acceleration (more to it than that obviously, but just saying RT/TC). DLSS falls flat, but RT IQ does show improvements. Now the performance hit is a kick in the pants, but, at least we have innovation of some sort. If it catches on and ends up looking better, only time will tell. But yes, because of these innovations + larger die sizes, and better performance /W = significant price increases.

I don't have a problem with increasing pricing when costs go up, it's a logical thing to do, but they'll have to reduce costs or ditch it eventually if they want to maintain profit.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't have a problem with increasing pricing when costs go up, it's a logical thing to do, but they'll have to reduce costs or ditch it eventually if they want to maintain profit.

I'd imagine die shrinks may help with that. But, it seems to be doing OK currently... and its price was, sadly, validated due to how AMD (really had to) price Radeon VII.

 

[OneMoar]

Any one that wants to upgrade their rx470,rx480 that they paid $230 for 2 years ago will get a 35/40% boost.
gtx1060 3gb, gtx 970 owners will get a 35/40% boost. those that bought a 4gb gtx 960/1050ti for $200 2 or 3 years ago should see a 90% boost. gtx 1060/rx580 owners will see a 30% boost for about the same price they paid 18 months ago.

That's plenty of market! like 50% of the market.


but do you know which one?

I doubt it will be anything close to 40% maby 20% - 25% @ 1440
considering that the 2060 IS 50% faster then the 1060 6gb

AMD is pretty much out of the game completely now at anything under 500.00

 

[cucker tarlson]

Doubtful. It'll be between GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 which is exactly where the RX 590 is. If it does end up performing closer to GTX 1070, then the $350 price is correct and it competes with Vega 56.


Right, you are. Lack of competition sucks, don't it?

leaks show it at 1070 performance

it'd be weird if 1500 turing shaders with ddr6 end up being slower than 1070 with 1900 pacal shaders and ddr5. 2060 has 1900 and trades blows with gtx 1080 that has 2500 shaders and g5x.I'm assuming it'll outperform 1070 slightly,by a few percent.I mean,next gen x60Ti card slower than last gen x70 card ? Not how nvidia has been doing it lately,despite the performance jump being lower this gen,

also,rx590 is between 1060 and 1070,that's a technically true statement. but 1070 is still a lot faster and rx590 is closer to 1060,much closer to 1060 than 1070.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-VII-Grafikkarte-268194/Tests/Benchmark-Review-1274185/2/ (scroll down to overall performance,1070 is 25% faster than 590, in 21 games across 3 resolutions). So yeah,probably +20% faster than 590 at same msrp. Let's not kid ourselves, rx590 is a slightly higher clocked 580,they should never have raised the msrp by $50 for that.

 

[happy medium]

I doubt it will be anything close to 40% maby 20% - 25% @ 1440
considering that the 2060 IS 50% faster then the 1060 6gb

AMD is pretty much out of the game completely now at anything under 500.00

the 1660ti will be 30% faster than a gtx 1060.

 

[OneMoar]

the 1660ti will be 30% faster than a gtx 1060.

my math is telling me a avg of 26.5%

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/16.html

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/percentage-difference

take the 1060 vs 1070 values average them out then do a difference between the two

and remember the 1660ti is probly going to loose a bit more then the 1070 at higher res

 

[happy medium]

my math is telling me a avg of 26.5%

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/16.html

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/percentage-difference

take the 1060 vs 1070 values average them out then do a difference between the two

and remember the 1660ti is probly going to loose a bit more then the 1070 at higher res

You are close but remember the gtx1060 has 192 gb/s vs 1660ti's 288 gb/s of memory bandwidth.. The gtx 1070 only has 256gb/s.
That should help the 1660ti to 30% faster.

 

[OneMoar]

You are close but remember the gtx1060 has 192 gb/s vs 1660ti's 288 gb/s of memory bandwidth.. The gtx 1070 only has 256gb/s.
That should help the 1660ti to 30% faster.

we still dont have the rop/tmu count and if they keep the cut back ratio they have been using on turning