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So current rig
8320 @4ghz
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I want to toss most of this rig into my media server and just underclock the cpu and voltage for low power/ heat

Heres what im considering for my upgrade, want to upgrade mainly for gaming and M.2 support.

CPU - Ryzen 1700 or i3 8350k or i5 8400
Ram - 2 x 8gb 3200 C14 samsung b-die
If i go with the R7 1700 - ASrock x370 Taichi or recommend me something else but I like the fact that it was wifi and great VR's
If I go the Coffee lake route - ASrock z370 killer sli/ac
I have a pm951 M.2 256gb nvme drive that I pulled from nuc6i5 when I upgraded it to a 960 evo 500gb
I have an EVGA 1000w Gold PSU that I plan on using (overkill but why not its just sitting in a box)
Keep the GTX970, it is still a beast of a video card and can upgrade that a year or 2 from now.

So the hardest decision is
1. I'm and AMD Fanboy from way way back and never owned an Intel besides my nuc so that makes me want to get the R7 1700 plus all the extra cores I will need for a while
2. The i3 8350k has some insane raw power when OC'ed and from what I read is killer for gaming
3. The i5 8400 seems to be the best of 1 and 2 but do I really want to go intel?
4. Is my 8320 really that out dated and in need of an upgrade
 
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I'd wait for the ryzen 2.0 stuff coming out in like 2 months personally. Also i game on a ryzen 1700 and an i7 4790k and gaming 1440p I only notice more fps on the 1700 and that's in pubg. Other wise I can't tell a difference. For gaming it depends on res, refresh rate targeted, and the games you play.
 

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get a 8600k if you wanna buy a z370 board, the 8400 is good too, but no H or B chipset yet so you'll have to wait.
 
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RyZen platform would be best for you. For a relative low price you can get really good high core count CPU (compared to Intel's similar priced offering), as well as quite decent IPC even comparing to Intel's latest offerings. Most importantly you will have a clear path of upgrade to RyZen+ and RyZen2 down the road.

I would highly recommend a RyZen platform. Get the Taichi from Asrock or the Gigabyte X370 board.

I see you mentioned VR as potential interest. Most of modern CPUs can handle VR perfectly. It is the GPU that affect VR experience most.

I'd say 8320 is definitely showing its age. The IPC is just not gonna cut it.

RyZen all the way man. You will definitely enjoy it!
 
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4. Is my 8320 really that out dated and in need of an upgrade
I have 6300 and honestly I am yet to play a game that doesn't run at 60fps the vast majority of the time. I'd hold on till Zen+.

2. The i3 8350k has some insane raw power when OC'ed and from what I read is killer for gaming
3. The i5 8400 seems to be the best of 1 and 2 but do I really want to go intel?
Don't downgrade on core count. Higher core count => less stutter , way more relevant than a 10 fps difference when a game is already pushing 100fps.
 
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I'm not a big fan of waiting for new tech, if that was the case I will always be waiting.
I'm set on putting my current rig in my media server, it currently has an athlon x3 445 in it with 6gb or ram or something like that and with plex and everything thing else running off it, it is really showing its age. Everyone says intel is the way to go for gaming and thats all this rig does besides right reviews for my associates at work. I love AMD but the intel really has me swaying towards it.
 

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So current rig
8320 @4ghz
Sabertooth 990fx r2.0
4 x 4gb samsung wonder ram
GTX 970 running at 1500mhz core /1873 ram
Samsung 840 pro 256gb
Corsair AX850

I want to toss most of this rig into my media server and just underclock the cpu and voltage for low power/ heat

Heres what im considering for my upgrade, want to upgrade mainly for gaming and M.2 support.

CPU - Ryzen 1700 or i3 8350k or i5 8400
Ram - 2 x 8gb 3200 C14 samsung b-die
If i go with the R7 1700 - ASrock x370 Taichi or recommend me something else but I like the fact that it was wifi and great VR's
If I go the Coffee lake route - ASrock z370 killer sli/ac
I have a pm951 M.2 256gb nvme drive that I pulled from nuc6i5 when I upgraded it to a 960 evo 500gb
I have an EVGA 1000w Gold PSU that I plan on using (overkill but why not its just sitting in a box)
Keep the GTX970, it is still a beast of a video card and can upgrade that a year or 2 from now.

So the hardest decision is
1. I'm and AMD Fanboy from way way back and never owned an Intel besides my nuc so that makes me want to get the R7 1700 plus all the extra cores I will need for a while
2. The i3 8350k has some insane raw power when OC'ed and from what I read is killer for gaming
3. The i5 8400 seems to be the best of 1 and 2 but do I really want to go intel?
4. Is my 8320 really that out dated and in need of an upgrade
Your board should be able to push that cpu to 4.5-4.8GHz easily with proper cooling, if you really need to upgrade, the AM4 route will have multiple cpu generations on it, no need to constantly change board and cpu every 2 years.

There is Threadripper which has an upgrade path too.
 

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If you are willing to pay for a 1700, why not be willing to spend the $30 more for an 8600K?
 
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I'm not a big fan of waiting for new tech, if that was the case I will always be waiting.
The timeframe from FX series to Ryzen was like 4 years so it's not like there pumping out CPU"s every 6 months and waiting will cause to always be trapped between generations........ (lets be real here).

If your staying AMD then there's literally no reason NOT to wait. By the time you pick out your CPU, order it, and install it, it's sucessor will be out like 6 weeks later. Not only that but it's not like your sitting here today with no computer, you have a decent computer that will run games and waiting won't kill you

Not only is it right down the corner but Ryzen 2 is literally going to fix the ONLY 2 issues people had with Ryzen 1 which was slightly behind on IPC and moderate clockrates (rumors are pointing towards a 7 to 10% increase in both IPC and clock speeds).

If you decide AMD then Zen 2 will be solid investment
 

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The timeframe from FX series to Ryzen was like 4 years so it's not like there pumping out CPU"s every 6 months and waiting will cause to always be trapped between generations........ (lets be real here).

If your staying AMD then there's literally no reason NOT to wait. By the time you pick out your CPU, order it, and install it, it's sucessor will be out like 6 weeks later. Not only that but it's not like your sitting here today with no computer, you have a decent computer that will run games and waiting won't kill you

Not only is it right down the corner but Ryzen 2 is literally going to fix the ONLY 2 issues people had with Ryzen 1 which was slightly behind on IPC and moderate clockrates (rumors are pointing towards a 7 to 10% increase in both IPC and clock speeds).

If you decide AMD then Zen 2 will be solid investment
He has a few options, Keep his current rig till Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2, or Upgrade to a Lower Ryzen 4 or 6 core then go to Upper Ryzen+/2, or upgrade to a 1700/1800 and upgrade when Ryzen 2/2+(Tentative)/3 appear
 
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I would be getting the 1700 through my works purchasing power program so I wont be paying alot up front out of pocket(its the only processor they carry). If im gonna pay strait up im going with the 1600

Purchasing plan is save up till I get enough for board and ram (two to three weeks )and then order the cpu through purchasing power. Or wait and save for the intel route which will take a little longer. The family might help out with some of the upgrade for christmas.

Original plan was to get a 1600 and asrock ab350 pro4 and sam b-die ram. But then I saw the taichi and kinda fell in love with it.

Ive never been one to buy the best but always got a 2 or 3 steps down from the best.
 
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Your board should be able to push that cpu to 4.5-4.8GHz easily with proper cooling, if you really need to upgrade, the AM4 route will have multiple cpu generations on it, no need to constantly change board and cpu every 2 years.

There is Threadripper which has an upgrade path too.
never had very good luck with overclocking this cpu. I had it stable at 4.5ghz at one point but it and the vr's just ran way too hot.
Threadripper is way out of my budget.
 
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Ryzen 1700 would be my pick. Well, it actually is, since i have it. :)
 
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I had it stable at 4.5ghz at one point but it and the vr's just ran way too hot.
Place a little fan on the VRMs , like the one that came with the stock cooler and run it at ~2500 RPM. It will make a huge difference and with that board you can probably push 1.5V easily.
 
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The i5 8400 seems to be the best of 1 and 2 but do I really want to go intel?
pretty much, wise decision, ill setup this:
intel i5 + Gigabyte motherboard + CM hyper 212 budget cooler, call it done!


4. Is my 8320 really that out dated and in need of an upgrade
still a decent rig, but if you have the penny just get the best possible, intel indeed,

1. I'm and AMD Fanboy from way way back and never owned an Intel besides my nuc so that makes me want to get the R7 1700 plus all the extra cores I will need for a while
Have seen here several people that lost the faith a few weeks with new hardware... so if really want to go rizen or amd, you better look for reviews and comments from owners, avoid comments from intel owners, mostly we hate amd :laugh:

8320 @4ghz
Sabertooth 990fx r2.0
4 x 4gb samsung wonder ram
GTX 970 running at 1500mhz core /1873 ram
Samsung 840 pro 256gb
Corsair AX850

I want to toss most of this rig into my media server and just underclock the cpu and voltage for low power/ heat
leave it stock, if possible undervolt processor, media server / rig with 3.0GHZ speed and 4 cores is moar than enough for a little setup in home for 3 + users! so you might be done with that,

Don't downgrade on core count. Higher core count => less stutter , way more relevant than a 10 fps difference when a game is already pushing 100fps.
core count is useless for gaming, moar than 4 cores arent getting you that big numbers over the efficiency and FPS count, so ... having a 10C20T processor does not warranty nothing moar than a high energy bill every month, :wtf:
 
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core count is useless for gaming, moar than 4 cores arent getting you that big numbers over the efficiency and FPS count
Like I said in my comment , it's not about getting the maximum fps , as far as I am concerned that's totally useless at the end of the day since most new CPUs will give you perfectly adequate performance with headroom to spare if you don't run at least 144hz .

What higher core count can give you however is more consistent frame times and it ensures you're not going to have to upgrade anytime soon.

There are games that already hammer every core/thread you have available.

 
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For me me it's not all about specs but quality and stability. I've seen too many HP type machines with great specs that are glitchy AF. AMD has allot to prove
 

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What higher core count can give you however is more consistent frame times and it ensures you're not going to have to upgrade anytime soon.
pointless...
 

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There are games that already hammer every core/thread you have available.
That's the reason I will upgrade to an i7. (Looking at modded GTA V)
 
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Like I said in my comment , it's not about getting the maximum fps , as far as I am concerned that's totally useless at the end of the day since most new CPUs will give you perfectly adequate performance with headroom to spare if you don't run at least 144hz .

What higher core count can give you however is more consistent frame times and it ensures you're not going to have to upgrade anytime soon.

There are games that already hammer every core/thread you have available.

Bad example because its proven this game eats CPU cycles separate from the game threads, in the shape of DRM protection tied to movement of the in-game character. These things run on separate threads, which is very clear from the graph - once you add in HT beyond 4 cores, boom 10 fps gained, go higher, and its negligible. You can also see that Intel's 6 core at 4 Ghz is at the exact same performance level as the 8c/16t at 4 Ghz - if all those extra threads really did result in higher FPS, that is still way too much overhead since more cores also limits clocks.

Those 8 cores give you what, 2-4 min. fps. Now start increasing core clocks and watch what happens ;)

The benefits of HT still are rare, and minimal, in gaming. Don't fool yourselves. And even physical cores don't scale well beyond 4, still. Given this example graph, the real question would be 'do I want to pay for HT/extra cores so I can run the DRM smoothly'.

I think at this point in time, best advice would be: get the extra cores as long as they don't curb your achievable clockspeeds and don't break the bank. This makes the Intel i5 non-K 6-core feasible, and it makes Ryzen very attractive. Above that, there is only Intel on mainstream with the i5/i7 K Coffeelakes, which is the current optimal balance of clocks+core counts (but not of budget).
 
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Bad example because its proven this game eats CPU cycles separate from the game threads, in the shape of DRM protection tied to movement of the in-game character.

It still hasn't been confirmed that the DRM has anything to do with that and it was just meant to be a recent example , there are other games that show clear scaling with more cores/ thread.

It would be strange that the DRM would be multithreaded and the game not. :)
It certainly can't be more pointless than sticking with quad cores in 2017. Don't know if you noticed but single thread performance has been incremental at best in the last few years while core count skyrocketed , there's a reason for that. Bad advice to make new builds limited like that , just my opinion.
 
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It still hasn't been confirmed that the DRM has anything to do with that and it was just meant to be a recent example , there are other games that show clear scaling with more cores/ thread.



It certainly can't be more pointless than sticking with quad cores in 2017. Don't know if you noticed but single thread performance has been incremental at best in the last few years while core count skyrocketed , there's a reason for that ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/c...igins_uses_vmprotect/?st=jasjw674&sh=c8af02f7

There are other reasons AC Origins doesn't run that well and is heavy on the CPU, but the above doesn't help.

And you're right for a blanket statement. I never said stick to a quad - there are better options now - but 'get all the cores you can' still doesn't make sense. Its a balancing act, not only of performance, but budget.

EDIT: have added to my previous post to clarify :)
 
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And you're right for a blanket statement. I never said stick to a quad - there are better options now - but 'get all the cores you can' still doesn't make sense. Its a balancing act, not only of performance, but budget.
I never said get the most cores , actually my advice to OP was to wait for Zen+ , same core count , higher clocks and probably same price too.