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It certainly can't be more pointless than sticking with quad cores in 2017. Don't know if you noticed but single thread performance has been incremental at best in the last few years while core count skyrocketed , there's a reason for that. Bad advice to make new builds limited like that , just my opinion.
not gonna start a war, but its pointless to look for the moar cores possible when a decent 4ad core, 16gb ram, SSD and video card could make a decent system, if you plan to un modded games, higher resolutions and so, that might justify bigger inversion, but for most games 1080 or even 1440 with a decent video card, for example GTX 970-980-1060-1070 games will run smooth, decent frame rate and no coil wine, just cuz you have older 6core processor does not mean that 4ad cores are lower or worse than yours, so....

 
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just cuz you have older 6core processor does not mean that 4ad cores are lower or worse than yours, so....
What does my half decade old CPU have to do with anything at all ? I think I already mentioned I'm speaking strictly about new CPU's and my only point toward OP is , if you have the means go for higher core count and let go of antiquated mantras.
 
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What does my half decade old CPU have to do with anything at all ? I think I already mentioned I'm speaking strictly about new CPU's and my only point toward OP is , if you have the means go for higher core count and let go of antiquated mantras.
That was my thought when i originally purchased the 8320.

The i5-8350 is already forgotten about. 4 cores no extra threads
Overclocking my already overclocked 8320 isnt gonna give me the performance of an i5-8400/r5 1600 or better. Its still lags way behind.
If the i5-8400 was overclockable it would be the hands down winner. Its already the winner for all around gaming cpu.
The r7 1700 is still a turn on because of the cores/threads and because its still amd and not the dark side.
I would still want to do my part to help amd gain/keep market share, they deserve it.
The min fps loss in gaming by going with a r7 over i5 isnt that big to really stress on the difference.
Whats gonna make my final decention for me is wha5s gonna be available when it comes time to purchase. If zen 2 isnt out yet then i prolly wont get it. If the i5's are still out of stock....same.
 

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#29
It looks like you know around, and can answer your questions yourself.
However keep in mind that that B-die costs a lot. It is the best memory. Since you know this, and I know this, and all other know this - it only ranks up the demand, thus prices. It can cost as much as a motherboard.
Is Taichi + lower Ryzen + lower ram and option? Could upgrade to a better Ryzen2 in the future, hoping Asrock update the firmware.
 

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It looks like you know around, and can answer your questions yourself.
However keep in mind that that B-die costs a lot. It is the best memory. Since you know this, and I know this, and all other know this - it only ranks up the demand, thus prices. It can cost as much as a motherboard.
Is Taichi + lower Ryzen + lower ram and option? Could upgrade to a better Ryzen2 in the future, hoping Asrock update the firmware.
Where are your system specs?
 
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If zen 2 isnt out yet then i prolly wont get it.
It's Zen+ that is around the corner (February). It's said to be at least 10% faster per core due to higher clocks ( and maybe more overclocking headroom too) , although I can't guarantee any of that.

Zen 2 is supposed to arrive in 2019 , a long time into the future although don't expect something revolutionary from Intel as well during this time.

Overclocking my already overclocked 8320 isnt gonna give me the performance of an i5-8400/r5 1600 or better. Its still lags way behind.
It wont , but is it really that bad so that you can't wait another 2 months ? Do keep in mind that with the 970 you're still mostly GPU bound , so upgrading to a new CPU might make a big difference here and there but overall don't expect that it'll be a night and day difference.
 
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I wont be upgrading my video card for atleast another year. I tend to skip a gen or two when i upgrade my gpu. I havent seen any proof that zen+/2 will be here in a month or two or even three. Usually you wilk see a review -or preview a month becore its released.
 
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Is the taichi worth the extra 50 bucks over the killer sli/ac? I know the vrm'S are better but is that the main difference. Specially if im gonna use my own sound card?

And after readig what you guys said, is the 3200 c14 that big of a difference over say 2400 c15?

Im getting closer to getting all the funds together. Saving a couple bucks here and there will speed up the process.

I can save about 100 bucks if i got killer sli/ac and 2400c15. With that i could get a corair 100i v2 or is that needed?
 
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Is the taichi worth the extra 50 bucks over the killer sli/ac? I know the vrm'S are better but is that the main difference. Specially if im gonna use my own sound card?

And after readig what you guys said, is the 3200 c14 that big of a difference over say 2400 c15?

Im getting closer to getting all the funds together. Saving a couple bucks here and there will speed up the process.

I can save about 100 bucks if i got killer sli/ac and 2400c15. With that i could get a corair 100i v2 or is that needed?
Hang on now, what CPU are you going to mix this with?

For memory, on Intel I'd say price/perf is optimal at 3000c16, 3000c15. 3200c14 is expensive mode for negligible gains most of the time. I would never pay more than 10% premium on faster memory compared to what is 'mainstream'. It just won't pay off unless you're benching/OCing primarily.

Generally, about the Taichi, its in the top row of high end boards in terms of VRM, features and quality. That said, nobody needs it, unless again, you're in the enthusiast bench/OC crowd. Out of the high-midrange boards for Intel CFL I would opt for the Fatality K6, or the Asus Prime-A.

Go lower (midrange), and the Extreme4 is a nobrainer - dont even consider the other brands unless they have something specific you really want because most of them cheap out on features or quality or are priced too high.

In the lowest segment, say around 100-120 EUR/dollar mark, get anything - just don't go for more than a mild OC on these boards.

AsRock has a really strong line up this year, on either AMD or Intel. MSI does not, Asus is hit or miss (and almost all boards above low end carry the Asus premium), same for Gigabyte, though they are more competitive on price vs features.
 
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Most likely getting the r7 1700

So Newegg has a sale right now and I can get the ASRock ab350 fatality and g.skill 2400 forte for under $275 shipped. Should I jump on that or hold off and get the ac/sli or Taichi and 3200?
 
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The faster memory is not worth it in my opinion. RAM it's already expensive enough as it is anyway.
 
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If you can hold off like 3 more months (like i am) then I would decide on your upgrade then, always wait for second gen ;)
 
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Yeah I think im gonna hold out till I get enough for at least the taichi and 3200 c14 ram. Even if it isnt that much of an upgrade, it will hold off the upgrade bug later and I wont regret not buying it later.
 
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So Taichi and 1700 got ordered. Ram will get ordered next. Just have to do some digging
 
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What higher core count can give you however is more consistent frame times and it ensures you're not going to have to upgrade anytime soon.

There are games that already hammer every core/thread you have available.
You've cherry picked your "evidence". One single-poorly optimized game, Assassins Creed, and the graph you posted is comparing a current gen AMD CPU to a two generation old Intel CPU isn't solid evidence. Go look at some benchmarks of more than one game with current gen AMD and Intel CPU's. Ryzen is not better for gaming than Intel. There are plenty of unbiased benchmarks to support that statement without cherry picking specific scenarios.

...if you really need to upgrade, the AM4 route will have multiple cpu generations on it, no need to constantly change board and cpu every 2 years.

There is Threadripper which has an upgrade path too.
Just because AMD said they would support AM4 until at least 2020, doesn't mean their latest and best performing CPU's will be fully supported by the motherboard you bought this year. Everyone who wanted a Ryzen CPU had to buy a new motherboard, too. Unless you plan on buying a new CPU in less than two years they both, Intel and AMD, have the same "upgrade path". Buy the best CPU you can afford and keep it for at least three years instead of wasting money buying the latest CPU when it comes out.
Threadripper is great for programs that can take advantage of high core and thread counts, but not for gaming. When more games take advantage of high core and threat counts that will change, but for today and the near future more games benefit from 4 higher clocked cores than 6+ lower clocked cores.

...actually my advice to OP was to wait for Zen+ , same core count , higher clocks and probably same price too
No consumer really knows what Zen+ is going to be and you don't have enough data to speculate on the specs, performance, or price. Furthermore if a person always waits for the next best thing they will always wait. There is no telling when Zen+ will be released or when it will be widely available at advertised prices. Zen+ could have the same price and availability issues as 8th Gen Intel CPU's and AMD RX Vega GPU's.
 
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There are plenty of unbiased benchmarks to support that statement without cherry picking specific scenarios.
Yep , like this one. If you would have read the comments properly instead of going full throttle on FUD you would have realized that benchmark was simply meant to show core scaling rather than Intel vs AMD.

Threadripper is great for programs that can take advantage of high core and thread counts, but not for gaming.
And who exactly cares and why would that be relevant at all ?

There is no telling when Zen+ will be released or when it will be widely available at advertised prices.
Mate give it up , there's even an article on TPU about it's release. And if you would read my comments (which you don't seem too keen on) you would have seen that I already said there are no guarantees with regards to the improvements Zen+ will bring.
 

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@eidairaman1 ..... @BobbyPDue this is not your own private chatroom, so the both of you will go away now and not come back here, take it to PM's rather than hijacking someone else's thread.
 
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Hey OP I also have an FX chip paired with the GTX 970 but few months ago I sold my FX&mobo and then switch on oldish X58 platform so like that I could keep also my memory,disks and GPU and it didn´t cost me nothing(I even earn few bucks:eek:)....to cut the chase yes FX bottlenecking that yours GTX 970 if you playing games in 1080p(or lower)and you probably know that,It´s nothing drastic but could go in range from 10%-30% in lost frames with the GTX 970...here bellow is my 3Dmark FireStrike result with the same GPU and different CPU´s

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I guess with the Ryzen 1700 maybe you can gain even few frames more......
 
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