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I'm sorry, but this is coming from a guy that bought TWO Titans back in the day? Seriously?!

And umm you do realise it's a 120Hz monitor I have, right (which overclocks to 140Hz by the way)? Now go take a look at the review and tell me how many of those games render at above my refresh rate (to which I can always add DSR/extra AA anyway). Now add 3D Vision, which performs at around half the 2D rendered framerate. Now come back and tell it's a "waste".

As for the Titan X having 'too much VRAM', I will just leave this here:


That's last year's game at 1080p, eating over 6GB of VRAM...as I said, enjoy your higher clocks and a few extra FPS from aftermarket versions of the 980 Ti in older games -- I'd rather have the extra VRAM headroom, since looking at the amount of VRAM games are gobbling up these days, the £130 extra on the Titan X will pay for itself, and since the VRAM gap between the two cards is way too high (980 Ti should have launched with at least 8GB).
You do realize that GPUs cache data much like system memory does? I've read that a number of people have played Shadow of Morodor on 970s or 980s with the Ultra texture pack without too much issue and that the 6GB is actually a highballed number. In fact it seems that most people don't seem to think it uses more than 3-4GB on Ultra. Granted, I'm sure you watched the single video and took it for fact. AFAICT there aren't any games that utilize 6GB of VRAM unless you're using some insane number of huge and uncompressed textures or something dumb like that.
 

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You do realize that GPUs cache data much like system memory does? I've read that a number of people have played Shadow of Morodor on 970s or 980s with the Ultra texture pack without too much issue and that the 6GB is actually a highballed number. In fact it seems that most people don't seem to think it uses more than 3-4GB on Ultra. Granted, I'm sure you watched the single video and took it for fact. AFAICT there aren't any games that utilize 6GB of VRAM unless you're using some insane number of huge and uncompressed textures or something dumb like that.

I'm well aware of that. As I said before, I bought this rig to last me a good while - at least 5 years from now and I can't see a 6GB card being sufficient 'til then. Feel free to come back here in a few years' time and tell me how well 6GB VRAM has worked out for you - I'd rather buy an overkill card now than regret later on (like I have with the last few GPUs I've had) and end up replacing it with another £500+ pound card down the road.
 
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You do realize that GPUs cache data much like system memory does? I've read that a number of people have played Shadow of Morodor on 970s or 980s with the Ultra texture pack without too much issue and that the 6GB is actually a highballed number. In fact it seems that most people don't seem to think it uses more than 3-4GB on Ultra. Granted, I'm sure you watched the single video and took it for fact. AFAICT there aren't any games that utilize 6GB of VRAM unless you're using some insane number of huge and uncompressed textures or something dumb like that.
So your saying extreme texture packs are dumb? Lol. I'd rather have extreme texture packs and 4x4 AA than 400 fps.

And you do realize titan x and 980 and 970 all use different amounts of ram for almost every game?.

Why does titan x use excessive of 5gb of vram in some games that 980 uses 3-4gb? At same settings?. Games these days use programming to prevent crashes because
 
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So your saying extreme texture packs are dumb? Lol.
No, if you read my entire post instead of selectively picking parts out, you would see that I said:
there aren't any games that utilize 6GB of VRAM unless you're using some insane number of huge and uncompressed textures or something dumb like that.
You must have missed the conditional "and" meaning that texture packs with uncompressed textures are dumb, not all texture packs. I think texture packs with compressed textures, like every other game, is the way to do it.
I'm well aware of that. As I said before, I bought this rig to last me a good while - at least 5 years from now and I can't see a 6GB card being sufficient 'til then. Feel free to come back here in a few years' time and tell me how well 6GB VRAM has worked out for you - I'd rather buy an overkill card now than regret later on (like I have with the last few GPUs I've had) and end up replacing it with another £500+ pound card down the road.
1GB lasted me 5-6 years and I'm only looking into it now. While I understand that sentiment, don't you think that you might need more GPU power to use all of that VRAM? There comes a point when memory is no longer your bottleneck. Also, I suspect you probably will buy a new GPU down the road. The question is will you buy another Titan X before that occurs or will you get a modern GPU? Considering you're still limited by GPU power, I suspect by the time you really start using most of that VRAM, you would at least need a second GPU.

For example, you very well might end up with the opposite problem I have where I have too much GPU power for too little VRAM. I suspect the power of the Titan X is the opposite where you have a lot more VRAM than GPU power where I suspect games will start to slow down in the future because of something other than VRAM capacity.

Either way, you already have the GPU so it's not like this is going to be a fruitful discussion. Maybe we should just check back in a few years to see if we're using more than 6GB regularly.
And you do realize titan x and 980 and 970 all use different amounts of ram for almost every game?.
Yes, but not when you're loading the same textures up. Same game on different cards are bound to use the same amount unless some caching is going on. Different games will use different amounts, sure, but my point is there isn't currently anything that utilizes 6GB, at least not to my knowledge.
 

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Yes better going value, better to not buy that titan today and get a Fury \ 980 TI and save 3-400$ and buy another card 4-5 years later = NEW TOYS :).
 
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(980 Ti should have launched with at least 8GB).
Unfortunately, due to the architecture of the GPU, there's no possible RAM configuration between 6GB and 12GB so 8GB isn't possible, hence making it an all or nothing situation. Basically, the amount of possible RAM always doubles, so you'd get 3, 6, 12, 24, 48GB etc. Similarly with a GTX 980, you'd get 2, 4, 8, 16, 32GB etc with no inbetween values.
 
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No, if you read my entire post instead of selectively picking parts out, you would see that I said:

You must have missed the conditional "and" meaning that texture packs with uncompressed textures are dumb, not all texture packs. I think texture packs with compressed textures, like every other game, is the way to do it.

1GB lasted me 5-6 years and I'm only looking into it now. While I understand that sentiment, don't you think that you might need more GPU power to use all of that VRAM? There comes a point when memory is no longer your bottleneck. Also, I suspect you probably will buy a new GPU down the road. The question is will you buy another Titan X before that occurs or will you get a modern GPU? Considering you're still limited by GPU power, I suspect by the time you really start using most of that VRAM, you would at least need a second GPU.

For example, you very well might end up with the opposite problem I have where I have too much GPU power for too little VRAM. I suspect the power of the Titan X is the opposite where you have a lot more VRAM than GPU power where I suspect games will start to slow down in the future because of something other than VRAM capacity.

Either way, you already have the GPU so it's not like this is going to be a fruitful discussion. Maybe we should just check back in a few years to see if we're using more than 6GB regularly.

Yes, but not when you're loading the same textures up. Same game on different cards are bound to use the same amount unless some caching is going on. Different games will use different amounts, sure, but my point is there isn't currently anything that utilizes 6GB, at least not to my knowledge.
Yeah I'll probbably replace my titan x when I buy 4k monitor end of summer
 
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ive just installed my titan x and im pretty amazed by the performance... still glad I spent the extra money. see how I feel in a couple of weeks.. :toast:
 

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I'm sorry, but this is coming from a guy that bought TWO Titans back in the day? Seriously?!

And umm you do realise it's a 120Hz monitor I have, right (which overclocks to 140Hz by the way)? Now go take a look at the review and tell me how many of those games render at above my refresh rate (to which I can always add DSR/extra AA anyway). Now add 3D Vision, which performs at around half the 2D rendered framerate. Now come back and tell it's a "waste".

As for the Titan X having 'too much VRAM', I will just leave this here:


That's last year's game at 1080p, eating over 6GB of VRAM...as I said, enjoy your higher clocks and a few extra FPS from aftermarket versions of the 980 Ti in older games -- I'd rather have the extra VRAM headroom, since looking at the amount of VRAM games are gobbling up these days, the £130 extra on the Titan X will pay for itself, and since the VRAM gap between the two cards is way too high (980 Ti should have launched with at least 8GB).

I didn't have 2. Just one. And SoM is not a great example of Vram usage.

Coding is everything. Funny at 1440p SoM stated to use 6Gb of Vram on my system.


FWIW, I've nothing against owning Titan's. But I still don't believe the Vram usage at 1080p is helpful but as OP says, the VR aspect makes it useful, so I happily retract my comment.
 

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Well, so far so good. Finally testing the card under Furmark and I can't hear the fan or any coil whine, even with the case wide open. Though this thing throws out a LOT of heat with that cooler, I almost forgot how much heat high end GPUs generate these days after using my rusty old GTX 460 for so long...

I am slightly worried that it boosts all the way to 1392MHz without me touching Afterburner (or even installing it, for that matter). I will try some games and see if it holds the clocks.
 

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Have you seriously got an HDD just hanging there over that card?


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Have you seriously got an HDD just hanging there over that card?


I hope my tired eyes are wrong.......
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Have you seriously got an HDD just hanging there over that card?


I hope my tired eyes are wrong.......
Afraid so... All this stuff is going to be cleaned and remounted tomorrow and I was just too lazy yesterday... And I have a brand new RM750i sitting in the box ready to replace my old Be Quiet PSU.
 
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Thats kinda besides the point.

Your careless actions will (its just a matter of time! 3 seconds or 3 months...) cost you that shiny new Titan X.... then, itll be drastically slower than the 980Ti you probably should have got instead lol



Fix up man and stop being lazy.... get your rig correctly put together and you wont be balling tears when its cost you a wedge of £$€.
 

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Thats kinda besides the point.

Your careless actions will (its just a matter of time! 3 seconds or 3 months...) cost you that shiny new Titan X.... then, itll be drastically slower than the 980Ti you probably should have got instead lol



Fix up man and stop being lazy.... get your rig correctly put together and you wont be balling tears when its cost you a wedge of £$€.

LOL I know, I know. Will sort it out tonight, I promise. :toast:
 
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Interesting thread. I am currently deciding between a 980ti Strix or a Titan X. The most frustrating thing for me has been reading the benches of a 980ti with high boost clock or overclocked against a stock Titan X. I'm starting to feel like all the advice/comments from people recommending 980ti are not telling the whole story. Yes the 980ti is better value, a superb card, great overclocker and so close to a Titan X that it almost makes it obsolete. BUT what if I put a Titan X under water and over clock it? Surely even the best 980ti wont be beating the Titan in this scenario? And as I am going to be getting a 4k monitor at the same time, and not going SLI then I'm going to need any extra fps I can get.

With only having one card. If I can't run a game at reasonable settings and get good fps I will just run the game at 2k. And I'm hoping that DX12 will help a bit as I have 6 cores and 12 threads. I am pretty much decided, I am going to need a Titan X. Which is a shame in a way because I really fancy that Strix 980ti.

P.s I am not at all interested in the 12gig of vram. It has no influence on my choice of cards. I just want the fastest card I can get because I wont be getting a second card for a while.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
BUT what if I put a Titan X under water and over clock it? Surely even the best 980ti wont be beating the Titan in this scenario? And as I am going to be getting a 4k monitor at the same time, and not going SLI then I'm going to need any extra fps I can get.
Like when dealing with fractions in mathematics, do to one side what you do to the other!!!

What I mean by that is, compare like to like. If you compare a TitanX under water, compare it with a 980Ti under water. THe difference between the cards is meager, what, a couple of % according to TPU? So then it simply comes down to how well will it overclock? And the answer to that question, is.......... it depends. You could get a Titan X that is a dud overclocker on water and a 980ti could end up beating it. Or, the other way around. So, how I personally choose, is to not worry too much about overclocking, since that is up to the Silicon lottery.

For your situation, it comes down to this... Is the 3% difference at stock speeds worth the extra $350 or 50%+ cost difference over a 980ti? I would most certainly say no (for me).
 
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Interesting thread. I am currently deciding between a 980ti Strix or a Titan X. The most frustrating thing for me has been reading the benches of a 980ti with high boost clock or overclocked against a stock Titan X. I'm starting to feel like all the advice/comments from people recommending 980ti are not telling the whole story. Yes the 980ti is better value, a superb card, great overclocker and so close to a Titan X that it almost makes it obsolete. BUT what if I put a Titan X under water and over clock it? Surely even the best 980ti wont be beating the Titan in this scenario? And as I am going to be getting a 4k monitor at the same time, and not going SLI then I'm going to need any extra fps I can get.

With only having one card. If I can't run a game at reasonable settings and get good fps I will just run the game at 2k. And I'm hoping that DX12 will help a bit as I have 6 cores and 12 threads. I am pretty much decided, I am going to need a Titan X. Which is a shame in a way because I really fancy that Strix 980ti.

P.s I am not at all interested in the 12gig of vram. It has no influence on my choice of cards. I just want the fastest card I can get because I wont be getting a second card for a while.

The Titan X is no slouch - that's for sure and if you overclock it it will be clock for clock faster than a 980ti.

BUT (I like big buts :D) the 12 GB of VRam takes up some of the limited power allowance of a Titan X which removes some overclock headroom due to throttling against the TDP. Also, board partners for the 980ti have increased that TDP on the 980ti's so you have more overclock headroom before hitting the power limit.

It's all down to choice, FWIW, I'm due a delivery of a 980ti Kingpin on Tuesday :rockout:
 
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Interesting thread. I am currently deciding between a 980ti Strix or a Titan X. The most frustrating thing for me has been reading the benches of a 980ti with high boost clock or overclocked against a stock Titan X. I'm starting to feel like all the advice/comments from people recommending 980ti are not telling the whole story. Yes the 980ti is better value, a superb card, great overclocker and so close to a Titan X that it almost makes it obsolete. BUT what if I put a Titan X under water and over clock it? Surely even the best 980ti wont be beating the Titan in this scenario? And as I am going to be getting a 4k monitor at the same time, and not going SLI then I'm going to need any extra fps I can get.

With only having one card. If I can't run a game at reasonable settings and get good fps I will just run the game at 2k. And I'm hoping that DX12 will help a bit as I have 6 cores and 12 threads. I am pretty much decided, I am going to need a Titan X. Which is a shame in a way because I really fancy that Strix 980ti.

P.s I am not at all interested in the 12gig of vram. It has no influence on my choice of cards. I just want the fastest card I can get because I wont be getting a second card for a while.
Well I think @the54thvoid hit the nail on the head along with @EarthDog. I will add my take which is most 980ti's will overclock further than the Titan X (on average) from what I have seen. Sure silicon lottery plays into the mix but when you calculate the fact that the extra 6gb of ram adds to the power usage, the small number of cores disabled adds to the extra power leftover for the 980ti on top of meaning less chance for instability when overclocking, and the after market board partners allowing for a higher TDP along with better VRM brings the 980ti to Titan X levels and beyond.

FWIW, if I were buying right now I would not hesitate to buy a 980ti any day of the week over a GTX Titan X. Even if I won one or got one for free I would sell it and buy two GTX 980ti's.
 
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@EarthDog and @the54thvoid I left this out of my post to keep from rambling on to much and because I guessed both these things would still leave me in front if only by a even smaller margin. But you two are complicating things lol. My Titan arrives tomorrow from Amazon prime (Asus Titan X £800, great price for UK) but waterblock doesn't arrive until monday. I can still change my mind and send the titan back, the waterblock will be a pain in the ass as it is from OCUK and the Strix is obviously not reference and 980ti Strix waterblocks are not on sale yet. I'll sleep on it tonight.

I have read about those Kingpin cards. Not on sale yet but if I can find out when they will be available I mite hold out for one. They are amazing! I just hope I can get one soon because I can't wait to fire up the Asus 4k monitor.
Oh the stress of deciding.
Mite scrap my plans to get this http://www.scan.co.uk/products/40-p...dmi-vga-3840x2160-300cd-m2-500m1-3ms-speakers as a second 4k monitor and just get a second GPU. I won't be sleeping on it tonight, I wont be sleeping at all. First world problems eh, I should feel bad.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Don't get the Kinpin card... that is really made for sub ambient overclocking.... you are paying a premium for things you really wont use.


You already dropped the cash and THEN asked the question? Oh my...
 

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Don't get the Kinpin card... that is really made for sub ambient overclocking.... you are paying a premium for things you really wont use.


You already dropped the cash and THEN asked the question? Oh my...

What @EarthDog says. I know I've bought a rarity but it wont clock better than a good 980ti on air or water. I simply wanted one, plain and simple. I did not buy it for awesomeness, I bought it because it's just a sexy freaking card, with some bells and whistles but useless to most (myself included). But you never know, I might try some exotic cooling down the line.

FTR, I don't believe their is a proper warranty on the Kingpin card. Stick to a good solid 980ti.
 
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Not really, ordered it a couple of hours ago. Hit post reply after returning to techpowerup (typed earlier). I'll get to play with the Titan a bit tomorrow, mite help me decide. If I can rank up the voltage on the kingpin and get better OC then it'l be a good card for me. OC'ing is half the fun of these non ref cards right. If only Nvidia had let board partners play with the Titan X.
 

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Not really, ordered it a couple of hours ago. Hit post reply after returning to techpowerup (typed earlier). I'll get to play with the Titan a bit tomorrow, mite help me decide. If I can rank up the voltage on the kingpin and get better OC then it'l be a good card for me. OC'ing is half the fun of these non ref cards right. If only Nvidia had let board partners play with the Titan X.

Wont work. Maxwell architecture does not scale well with voltage at ambient temps. Mr Kingpin himself has looked into and told people NOT to waste money on a Kingpin unless you are going to use LN2 or Dry Ice. You need the core are <20 degrees IIRC, and that requires more than water. On LN2 with voltage it flys but it needs to be really cold.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
You posted this less than 2 hours ago..... I digress though.

BIOS Mod what you have... even though its a Kingpin, its still up to the Silicon lottery as to how far it clocks.
 
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