Tkpenalty's X1950~HD4k Clubhouse

[Widjaja]

I seriously have to start bashing AGP users upgrading to the HD4/3k series soon, because of the bottlenecks that such users are subject to.

With the 4850s, keep dreaming guys in all my seriousness the 4850 AGP will never perform faster than what, a X1950PRO on an AGP Prescott system. Its a serious waste of money with the price premium such users are subject to!

AGP Users are better off purchasing NEW hardware, such as CPUs, mobo, RAM, and possibly a GPU around the range of a 8600GT. Okay so maybe it will end up more expensive, but you can still sell the old hardware.


Sidenote; When i get the HD4850, i wonder where my X1950PRO is going to go....

I do have to admit, it the AGP GPUs should hve stopped at the X1950pro.
This extra added price to AGP is stupid since they are getting lower performance due to the rest of their hardware.

If you are stuck in the AGP situation it will probably be wiser to get a mid range setup which is futureproofed than get a HD4850 AGP.
Which I hope ATi doesn't release.

 

[wolf]

last time i was here i was on a X1950Pro AGP.... now i'd love to rejoin the ranks with 4870CF

for a while i was Nv all the way, then i defected to the dark side, then after much compemplation i decided nvidia was actually way more evil, thus i have been shown the light, and am now back to the light side

rock on ATi for making the 48xx series, you have done well.

 

[Widjaja]

i decided nvidia was actually way more evil, thus i have been shown the light, and am now back to the light side

I think the same after the 8800GT.
Ran fast when it did but I experienced driver issues.

Back with AMD/ATi things feel umm stable?

 

[NeilV]

New X1950 PRO Owner

Hi All,
I've just decided that I need to upgrade my 7600GS (AGP) with something a little beefier. I currently am running a P4 650 @ 4.08 Ghz, 1.5 Gb of Corsair 400Mhz RAM SATAII HDD and XP (32 bit). So, I thought, looking at Good AGP cards, New N/A so ebay provided me with a Club 3D X1950 PRO for £40 including postage, which I was very happy with. However, when it arrived, I discovered that I didn't have a 6 pin PCI-e power cable from my PSU which is 500W but not a well known brand. I have since ordered a 2 Molex to 6pin converter cable from a seller on ebay but when it arrived it didn't fit.

Could anyone help me and tell me if they have had similar problems with power to their X1950's and if a standard 2 Molex to 6 pin should fit it or whether I need to get the one originally supplied with the card?

I stand here completely surrounded by NO wonderful graphics, listening to all you lucky people with X1950's and am rapt with anticipation.

Thanks in advance

Neil V

 

[Widjaja]

Hi, NielV welcome to TPU.
I don't understand how the Club 3D X1950pro didn't come packaged with a two 4-pin molex to one 6-pin PCI-E adaptor.

How is this adaptor not fitting?
6 pin and 4 pin are all the same, there's no way it could not fit unless you have them upside down.

 

[NeilV]

Hi, NielV welcome to TPU.
I don't understand how the Club 3D X1950pro didn't come packaged with a two 4-pin molex to one 6-pin PCI-E adaptor.

How is this adaptor not fitting?
6 pin and 4 pin are all the same, there's no way it could not fit unless you have them upside down.

Sorry, I obviously didn't explain myself very well. The card is a 2nd hand one from ebay as new ones are not available in the UK. The seller did say make sure you have a 6 pin plug which I thought I did have but was mistaken. the converter from a separate ebay seller seems to have a square lug where a shaped one should be and therefore with a bit of force it goes in some way but not enuff I think, because the PC boots up with a "your graphics card is not plugged in to the PSU" message. I blame no-one but myself for not checking the plug situation but was not sure if the connetor on the Club 3D X1950pro might be non-standard.

Thanks for the quick reply.
Neil V

 

[Widjaja]

Odd.
Did not expect the adpators teeth to be any other shapes.

Something doesn't sound right, they should be all one fit.

I personally would not have forced the 6Pin adaptor in.
Reason being the square tooth might be a + instead of a - which could possibly short the GPU.

You should have contacted the seller of the adaptor and said the adaptor you sent me has different shaped teeth to the connection on my GPU instead and looked for another adaptor which fitted.

Look at some pics of 6-pin PCI-E conectors and compare them with the oneon the X1950pro to see if it is indeed non-standard.

 

[snuif09]

can i be in the club too

 

[NeilV]

Further Update & Question

Hi All,
After careful study of the 6 pin connectors on line I decided that the top-middle pin should have a rounded bottom but on my cable was square, so a little CAREFUL slicing with a pallet knife & I had a connector that fitted in to the slot. I plugged it all together and powered up, my post was OK. I went in to windows, waited for all my startup programs to load (cos I can't remember how to stop that happening) got a message that new hardware was installed, I had already inserted the CD with the drivers on but I was a created disk by the ebay seller & I couldn't install from it so I pressed cancel & POP the monitor goes in to power save, the PC is still running but no Video output.

I've tried going in to safe mode to remove the drivers but I never get enough time in windows before it GOES. It will sit in the bios screen for as long as you like but windows just kills it, I have a 500W PSU, I've even tried removing all non-essentials like 2nd HDD, DVD Player, Interior Case lights but no good. I have re-seated all connectors making sure all pins were straight.

If it happened in game I could see that it might be PSU but in windows???? my previous card was a 7600GS should I remove the drivers whilst I still have that card in (so I can see what I'm doing!!)

HELP!!!!!

 

[Wile E]

Hi All,
After careful study of the 6 pin connectors on line I decided that the top-middle pin should have a rounded bottom but on my cable was square, so a little CAREFUL slicing with a pallet knife & I had a connector that fitted in to the slot. I plugged it all together and powered up, my post was OK. I went in to windows, waited for all my startup programs to load (cos I can't remember how to stop that happening) got a message that new hardware was installed, I had already inserted the CD with the drivers on but I was a created disk by the ebay seller & I couldn't install from it so I pressed cancel & POP the monitor goes in to power save, the PC is still running but no Video output.

I've tried going in to safe mode to remove the drivers but I never get enough time in windows before it GOES. It will sit in the bios screen for as long as you like but windows just kills it, I have a 500W PSU, I've even tried removing all non-essentials like 2nd HDD, DVD Player, Interior Case lights but no good. I have re-seated all connectors making sure all pins were straight.

If it happened in game I could see that it might be PSU but in windows???? my previous card was a 7600GS should I remove the drivers whilst I still have that card in (so I can see what I'm doing!!)

HELP!!!!!

Yeah, you should definitely remove the nVidia drivers first.

 

[NeilV]

More info

So.... I should remove the nVidia drivers before I remove the card? and could this cause the problems I described?

Thanks for the rapid response by the way!!

 

[Wile E]

So.... I should remove the nVidia drivers before I remove the card? and could this cause the problems I described?

Thanks for the rapid response by the way!!

Yeah, all kinds of weird things can happen if you don't remove the drivers prior to installing a card from a different manufacturer. Makes sure you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling as well.

 

[NeilV]

Thank You

Yeah, all kinds of weird things can happen if you don't remove the drivers prior to installing a card from a different manufacturer. Makes sure you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling as well.

Thank you V.much Wile E.

I thought it would work long enuff for me to remove them with the new card in. One question though, when I boot in to safe mode surely it's not using the nVidia Drivers. Or am I incorrect in that assumption. I thought if I could boot into safe mode I could remove all the drivers cos non would be in use. Am I thick or what.

 

[Wile E]

Thank you V.much Wile E.

I thought it would work long enuff for me to remove them with the new card in. One question though, when I boot in to safe mode surely it's not using the nVidia Drivers. Or am I incorrect in that assumption. I thought if I could boot into safe mode I could remove all the drivers cos non would be in use. Am I thick or what.

It's not using the NV drivers, but it can still be enough to cause conflicts. On my AMD rig, I just get a blue screen if I don't remove my NV drivers before installing my 2900XT. Even in safe mode.

It may not be your problem at all, but it's worth trying.

 

[NeilV]

It's not using the NV drivers, but it can still be enough to cause conflicts. On my AMD rig, I just get a blue screen if I don't remove my NV drivers before installing my 2900XT. Even in safe mode.

It may not be your problem at all, but it's worth trying.

You are correct of course. It is better to try that than buy a new PSU or send the card back to the ebay'er I bought it from.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Widjaja]

Oh jeez, the nVidia drivers stick in your systems registry like s**t to a baby's daiper.

I find the nv4disp.dll will still be in the Windows folder regardless of what you do.
I uninstalled the nVidia drivers from one of my OS's and found there was still enough reminants to cause weird things in desktop with the HD4850 and ATi drivers installed.
So I installed the ATi drivers on my other OS which has no nVidia drivers and it runs flawless.

 

[eidairaman1]

known as a marketing ploy to get you to stick with one company over the other

 

[kebabs]

About 25 days ago, I RMA'ed my 2900XT and I just recieved a 3870x2 back . Shame I've got my eyes open for the 4870x2's so I'll be selling it.

 

[mitsirfishi]

ordered my hd4870+ arctic s1 tonite whoop ill get benching when i recevie it

 

[imperialreign]

planning on 2 4870x2s by the end of the year . . . still working on breaking in these 2 3870s

man, though, I'm still kicking myself that I didn't hold out another month. But, at the time, I was able to get these two for $260, which was too good a deal to pass up . . .

if I had known that amonth later the 4850s were going to rock as hard as they would, and the price of the 3870 was going to drop to $130 anyway, I would've waited . . .



well, I can't complain too much.

I'll be running an ass-load of benchmarks this weekend. I should be able to run this Q6600 at 4GHz on air, and MEM at 1900MHz; I intend to run my two 3870s as high as I can get them and will be posting results early next week here and at hwbot.

I'll also run my pair of 1950 PROs at the same CPU speeds as well, and will be posting those results.

If things are going well, I might even dig out my X1300 512MB and have it run the gauntlet, as well as my X700 PRO.

This weekend should be fun

 

[Widjaja]

if I had known that amonth later the 4850s were going to rock as hard as they would, and the price of the 3870 was going to drop to $130 anyway, I would've waited . . .

Yeah well thats it.
Not knowing.

Looking at the the futuremark website seems the HD4850s are the most popular.

I was only fortunate the distributor had run out of 8800GTs and gave me the option to get a HD4850 as a replacement.

 

[Wile E]

About 25 days ago, I RMA'ed my 2900XT and I just recieved a 3870x2 back . Shame I've got my eyes open for the 4870x2's so I'll be selling it.

Damn. Looks like I need to blow up my 2900. Maybe they'll send me a 4870. lol.

Slap that bad boy in my slowly coming together LAN rig, and have a nice little setup. With the 1440x900 monitor, it should last quite a while to boot.

 

[tkpenalty]

someone killed the club

 

[Widjaja]

I guess the fanbois are dieing out at TPU.
nVidia Clubhouse is only a little bit more active than here.

 

[imperialreign]

well, I hit 4GHz on this quad last weekend (4050MHz); and everything seemed electronically stable - I didn't end up with any BSoD or OC related crashes . . .

but, unfortunantely, I just couldn't keep the cores cool enough for extended benching. I was running into thermal crashes At one point, running wPrime1024, Core 2 reached 103C before shutting down and the inevitable black screen of failure. So, I wasn't able to run long benchmarks.

But, I do have the CPU-Z screenie and a bench result from running SuperPi1M to show 4G was running . . . I know this system will run it now, and am 70% certain my config will prove to be stable once I can keep temps under control.

now to keep my fingers crossed that stoopid stuff won't crop up and suck my frivolous savings dry over the next couple of months that I can get a liquid setup together . . .