TN vs IPS monitors

[tigger]

just found this video, which shows imo the profound difference between IPS and TN panels. I have just got a IPS monitor, and have to say images are gorgeous. I never realised TN is so bad. Watch the video, what do you think?

start at 8 mins

 

[dirtyferret]

once you go IPS you never go back...I actually switched to IPS several years ago

 

[X71200]

A lot more to speak about these things tbf, but if you like literally just putting two random monitors that have different panels side by side, here you go... some UHD IPS left vs VA on the right side.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just switched this year from a pg278qr to a LG GN850 which is mostly just a rebranded GL850.
Although prior to that I rocked a 4k ips monitor that I ditched because I much preferred high refresh gaming.

There are definitely things I liked better about the asus and it isn't a night and day difference when it comes to color at least when sitting directly in front of the panel. Sure budget TN panels are terrible but so are their IPS equivalents.

The best monitor I've seen in person is actually a VA panel the PG35VQ I personally hate ultrawides but it was pretty incredible viewing hdr content and Destiny 2 running at over 100 fps on it.

 

[tigger]

A lot more to speak about these things tbf, but if you like literally just putting two random monitors that have different panels side by side, here you go... some UHD IPS left vs VA on the right side.

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Not much difference between ips and va, considering the thread is about ips and tn. did you watch the video? random panels or not, there is a very noticable difference in contrast and color between the essentially ips and tn panels.

 

[X71200]

That is correct, I'm not digressing. The video had the panels flickering so I couldn't watch it all. Yes, there is indeed inherited differences between TN and IPS, but as the other user tried to point out, very cheap IPS can be terrible as well. IPS for the most part is superior though indeed.

 

[mtcn77]

Not much difference between ips and va, considering the thread is about ips and tn. did you watch the video? random panels or not, there is a very noticable difference in contrast and color between the essentially ips and tn panels.

He is right, you know... IPS just has tighter tolerances. You can have TN, apply all the bells and whistles and come up with a decent monitor. The issue is, there is no chance people would take notice of its qualities.
Same with VA. Just because you don't have to apply a stricter uniformity, shouldn't stop you from it.
The qualities are differing, but the lowest is 'rubbed', then comes photopolymeric and then much higher corrective filter applications that bring full frame light output uniformity. The better it is, the glossier the display is going to get.

 

[Sandbo]

I think TN is only good if response time is the most important feature for you; otherwise the smaller view angle, higher chance of clouding and so on just made TN hard to look at.

 

[Mr Bill]

Because I'm a long ways from being the monitor guru, can someone please tell me what kind of monitor this is? Not the name I know that, but the type. HP - 25x 24.5" LED FHD Monitor - Gray/Green 1 milliseconds 144 Hz

 

[X71200]

Tbh TNs lie large time about their response times anyway, when it comes to actually calculating them with professional tools, a monitor like the GL850 beats most TNs easily while looking better. It might be more expensive, but it's also worth it for a lot of people.

Because I'm a long ways from being the monitor guru, can someone please tell me what kind of monitor this is? Not the name I know that, but the type. HP - 25x 24.5" LED FHD Monitor - Gray/Green 1 milliseconds 144 Hz

It's probably the AU Optronics 25 inch TN, but without the G-Sync module and Freesync instead. Basically the panel found in the older Omen 25, I've seen it IRL couple times down a store, it's not the worst looking TN.

 

[Mr Bill]

it's not the worst looking TN.

So my HP monitor would be considered a TN monitor? I don't even know what TN means.

 

[X71200]

Twisted Nematic, yes. I could try to make an explanation as to what it is but I'm sleepy and about to head the bed soon.

 

[Mr Bill]

I guess Tom's Hardware kind of sums this all up for me.

 

[sam_86314]

As nice as IPS displays can be, I think VA is a good all-around technology.

I switched from a TN panel to a VA one recently. Black levels on VA are significantly better (though black moving objects on a gray background smear like a passive-matrix screen). Colors look a bit better overall, and viewing angles are better.

Both of my primary laptops have IPS screens, and they both look great. But nothing beats the AMOLED screen on my phone.

 

[Caring1]

Because I'm a long ways from being the monitor guru, can someone please tell me what kind of monitor this is? Not the name I know that, but the type. HP - 25x 24.5" LED FHD Monitor - Gray/Green 1 milliseconds 144 Hz

Hard to tell without a specific model number.

 

[Batou1986]

Personally I tried IPS and VA screens over TN and I didn't like the loss in response times and the previously mentioned smearing on VA.
I think the reason a lot of people get blown away by IPS is they are generally brighter out of the box and the colors pop more because they are oversaturated and that they have been using either a cheap or old TN.
If you actually use a color calibrator with an IPS and a TN side by side with the same brightness levels there is really not that much difference, yes the IPS can display more than 100% of sRGB but what uses more than 100% of sRGB even most photographers dont use adobe RGB because its really only supported for physical printing, I also never understand the viewing angle arguments for a screen that you sit directly in front of at a desk.

Currently I use a DellS2719DGF that's been calibrated with a datacolor spyder at 120 cd/m2, unless your in direct sunlight I dont understand why or how some people deal with 350 cd/m2 or higher brightness, to get to 120 cd/m2 which is what the calibration software recommenced based on ambient light I had to turn the screen brightness down to 42%
Calibrating the screen is probably more impactful on color, brightness and contrast than the physical difference between a quality IPS VA or TN screen.

 

[Mr Bill]

Hard to tell without a specific model number.

HP 25X is the only model number on this monitor.

 

[natr0n]

Using a IPS monitor for a few months and the colors are more lively. Want to get a much fancier higer end model soon.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

Yeah, only had TN monitors until 3 years ago, got first IPS since prices came down a lot, and was blown away by difference in angles and colors, while never noticed difference in reaction time. Guess I'm not coming back to TN then.

 

[X71200]

The Tom's table is pretty much only rounding up VA right. TNs can be fast, but to compensate, the gaming monitors also use a lot of overdrive to get to those high Hz. At that point you might actually be performing worse than the other panels. Like at 165 Hz, which could be fixed by pulling back to 144. A lot of the people seem to think the higher the Hz, the monitor is always going to be better which is not true. Heck I sometimes get vibration in the top left side of my PG348 when I'm at 100 Hz.

Other panels do this too. Tom's chart is also misleading on trying to say that IPS is the most favorable for the best of most applications. TVs are a mass market and with HDR, you're looking at VA panels on the high end there. IPS is mostly left for cheaper stuff and marketing for TVs.

Then there's of course OLED. As great as its visuals are, I've seen display issues on my Samsung convertible tablet even when turning on and off. There are certain precautions inside that take care of the AMOLED and make sure it doesn't just render itself useless by freezing images on the display. Must be why you can't turn off some of the power saving options from Windows even if you want to.

 

[Mr Bill]

The Tom's table is pretty much only rounding up VA right. Tom's chart is also misleading on trying to say that IPS is the most favorable for the best of most applications.

I was just searching for a comparison chart, just to get an basic idea of what I might expect from different monitors. I probably know the least about monitors than any other PC component/hardware. I have both TN and IPS, and I'm very content with both, yes there is a little picture quality difference in my HP 25X TN and my HP 25er IPS, the IPS knocks it out of the park watching 4K videos on YouTube, but the 25X TN does a pretty decent job also. I can see a speed difference in the HP 25X TN, compared to my HP 25er, I can't speak to the VA, I've never owned one. Yes, I would like to have a Asus ProArt PQ22UC, but that would be way above my pay scale, I say whatever works best for you, is probably the one you need to get.

 

[kapone32]

Speaking as objectively as possible. A high contrast TN panel will feel great as long as you use it. Even going to (when you used to be able to do that) the store and seeing IPS panels would not sway you. Once you get an IPS screen you will be Gaming one day and realize how sharp everything looks and how rich the colors are. Once you get into high resolution (above 1080P) having an IPS screen will make you a snob.

 

[X71200]

IPS is inherit superior on those aspects, so yes. Having an IPS monitor was a bigger deal some 10+ years back though, since back then TNs actually sucked more. The really good VA panels like Odyssey 49 and those 35 inch monitors seem amazing, makes you wonder how much smearing is still there on that end.

 

[Provin915]

I'm currently running an old BenQ 27'' 1440p 144hz TN monitor. Looking for some advice on a new monitor. A 27'' 1440p 144hz IPS monitor. I have been looking at the LG Ultragear GL850 since its release. I thought I'd get this monitor however, I just found out about the Gigabyte G27Q.

Seems a like a great option and cheaper than the LG. I read that the build-in speakers are horrible, but I won't use those anyways. I like the thin bezels. Anyone with experience with that particular monitor?

edit: prefer freesync as I'll run the new AMD GPUs.

 

[X71200]

The older Gigabyte with the Innolux panel had flickering issues, not sure about that one. Check the TUF 27 too, comparable to the GL850.