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Toshiba Announces Availability of 19 nm NAND SSDs

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Toshiba Electronics Europe (TEE) has announced that solid state drives (SSDs) built on the company's 19nm Multi-Level Cell (MLC) NAND flash technology are now readily available across Europe. Toshiba was the first company to develop 19nm NAND SSDs and the family includes the world's smallest and highest density NAND flash drives.

Toshiba's THNSNH family addresses the storage, performance and power efficiency demands of even the most data-intensive and energy-sensitive systems. The drives are ideal for high-end notebooks, tablets, PCs, all-in-one desktop computers and industrial PCs. Capacities of 512GB1, 256GB, 128GB and 60GB are all now available in 2.5-inch form factors with a choice of 7.0 mm and 9.5 mm profiles. mSATA modules with capacities of 256GB, 128GB and 60GB are also available.

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The perfection will happen when you won't need idiotic TRIM, the cells won't have to be cleared and when cells won't degrade regardless of writes. Basically that would be a non-volatile RAM.
Until then, all the SSD's are some half ass middle thing thats not really the real deal. Plus with smaller manufacturing processes, they will get even less reliable.
 

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The perfection will happen when you won't need idiotic TRIM, the cells won't have to be cleared and when cells won't degrade regardless of writes. Basically that would be a non-volatile RAM.
Until then, all the SSD's are some half ass middle thing thats not really the real deal. Plus with smaller manufacturing processes, they will get even less reliable.
By these definitions most hardware is halfassed.
 
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No. They introduced TRIM just because the SSD techniology was flawed to begin with. And the whole idea of drives constantly shuffling data around is just plain stupid. And its happening just because all drives are incapable of deleting individual bits. And main problem is that everyone are just sticking to it. There is no innovation being done anywhere. They all just cram more of the same under a different brand.

Because when a single vendor will make a SSD technology that can clear individual bits and won't even need idiotic TRIM, then i'll be the first one to praise that company or tech. But until then they are all the same.
 

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So why use a HDD as they are just as flawed even more so with the larger sized drives. And lets face it. it's not logical to sell some thing that is not flawed in some way.

The part i was always puzzled by was the fact that SSD's did not have trim in the 1st place as they are nothing new.
 
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Plus with smaller manufacturing processes, they will get even less reliable.
Agree. I know this is a serious problem, since the wearing is so much faster. I wonder how are they overcoming this...

So why use a HDD as they are just as flawed even more so with the larger sized drives.
HDD wearing is definitely NOT the same thing as SSD wearing. I have working HDD from more than 10 years ago, and except for noise, they have the same performance as day 1. You cannot tell the same thing for an SSD even after 1 year of usage... ;)
 
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HDD wearing is definitely NOT the same thing as SSD wearing. I have working HDD from more than 10 years ago, and except for noise, they have the same performance as day 1. You cannot tell the same thing for an SSD even after 1 year of usage...
It's not the same thing but it's a bit different, they both have strong and weak points.
SSD does slow down but it's not prone to mechanical wearing, it's not sensitive to shock (laptops), lower power usage and it's much faster.

And who's to say that today's SSD won't be working in 10 years time?

The HDD/SSD comparison is almost the same as CRT/LCD comparison so by that definition everyone should still be using CRT displays?
 
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Don't get me wrong, I love SSD because of speed and such, but on the same time I know in a couple of months/years, it wont be as fast as the day I bough it. I hope it will last me 10 years this time, I really do, but after 2 SSDs that died on my in less than 1 year I kinda lost my faith.
 

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An SSD without TRIM is still better than an HDD.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I love SSD because of speed and such, but on the same time I know in a couple of months/years, it wont be as fast as the day I bough it. I hope it will last me 10 years this time, I really do, but after 2 SSDs that died on my in less than 1 year I kinda lost my faith.
I hear ya, I keep seeing all these people losing data with ocz drive. I'm about to pull the trigger on a samsung 840 pro so I don't have to worry about backing up and restoring windows.
 

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Agree. I know this is a serious problem, since the wearing is so much faster. I wonder how are they overcoming this...



HDD wearing is definitely NOT the same thing as SSD wearing. I have working HDD from more than 10 years ago, and except for noise, they have the same performance as day 1. You cannot tell the same thing for an SSD even after 1 year of usage... ;)
But the same goes with HDD's as well, i have had a fair few WD and SG HDD''s and every seagate has failed in one or more ways were i have only had 2 WD's fail on my and i started to use WD's when they were 850MB.

And my 2 intel SSD"s are still going strong which i believe are at there 3 year mark now and still doing the same speeds as day one.. All 3 of my SSD's are working like day one and in spec.

Anyways point is you can have bad luck with any thing were some have more failing WD than SG.Anyways when you get another Good Luck! ;)
 
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I more like the idea of an SSD gradually approaching predictable failure, rather than an HDD suddenly doing the clicks of death one morning, destroying your porn collection.
 
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The perfection will happen when you won't need idiotic TRIM, the cells won't have to be cleared and when cells won't degrade regardless of writes. Basically that would be a non-volatile RAM.
Until then, all the SSD's are some half ass middle thing thats not really the real deal. Plus with smaller manufacturing processes, they will get even less reliable.
This is something I can see Toshiba fixing. Can you imagin no more TRIM needed, that would be great.