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[Retrorockit]

You might try a pinmod E7500. For single thread gaming it's a solid choice. 3.67Ghz.
The Opti 745 came with Pentium4 and 130W PentiumD so they couldn't have the 95W limit. It's just about the only one that can run them.

 

[Durkhead]

You might try a pinmod E7500. For single thread gaming it's a solid choice. 3.67Ghz.
The Opti 745 came with Pentium4 and 130W PentiumD so they couldn't have the 95W limit. It's just about the only one that can run them.

So I have a e5300 and a e6400 can those be pin moded and would either be better than pin modded q6600

 

[Mr.Scott]

Hi at all.

I think I had a big fortune to find this baby:

I'm so so so happy!

Awesome!
The box is worth more than the board.

 

[Bones]

Working on a project here, trying to revive a dead Powercolor HD 3850 AGP card.


This is one of the things I'm doing to it for making sure it has a chance.
Not wanting to get it too hot since all I'm doing here is a reflow like when you pop it into an oven.

ATM the GPU itself and RAM chips are warming up when testing but the MOSFET's at the back of the card are remaining cold - The heatsink for these has no heat to it at all after checking that so I know for now those are either dead or just not getting power to operate. I don't see any evidence of one being blown at least. However I really can't tell because the heatsink is stuck onto them and so far I haven't been able to remove it. Once I do I'll be able to check those as they should be checked and see.

If it lives in the end that would be great.

 

[Schmuckley]

In b4 MrScott..err..or not. O wow, Nvidia DFI, nice!

I've had some DFIs, not many phases but strong!

Wow! Is that Team DDR2? That's a new one on me.
I had 2 DFI boards, both the same. Were they AMD?
Yes! 790fx.
DFI Inc. LP DK 790FXB-M2RS

 

[Bones]

Can't be DDR2 if it's for the board, 939 is DDR only.

 

[Schmuckley]

Can't be DDR2 if it's for the board, 939 is DDR only.

Good point.

So I have a e5300 and a e6400 can those be pin moded and would either be better than pin modded q6600

No.

 

[E-Bear]

So I have a e5300 and a e6400 can those be pin moded and would either be better than pin modded q6600

What part of the world you live in ?

 

[Schmuckley]

The day I beat Mr. Scott's buddy: (MrPaco) El Bori

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with a DFI

Okay, so we went round and round many times. MrPaco can bench!
He beat me a lot, too. With his RAM drive McGimmick.

Working on a project here, trying to revive a dead Powercolor HD 3850 AGP card.
View attachment 145953

This is one of the things I'm doing to it for making sure it has a chance.
Not wanting to get it too hot since all I'm doing here is a reflow like when you pop it into an oven.

ATM the GPU itself and RAM chips are warming up when testing but the MOSFET's at the back of the card are remaining cold - The heatsink for these has no heat to it at all after checking that so I know for now those are either dead or just not getting power to operate. I don't see any evidence of one being blown at least. However I really can't tell because the heatsink is stuck onto them and so far I haven't been able to remove it. Once I do I'll be able to check those as they should be checked and see.

If it lives in the end that would be great.

3 words.
Hot air station. Focus on the areas that need reflow.
You have one, obviously. That's nice stuff. I gotta toaster oven..lol!
Have melted things in the name of reflowing before.

 

[Durkhead]

What part of the world you live in ?

Florida I just have a bunch of PC parts from various projects trying to put something together for my friend he wants something that can play Roblox I have to buy cheap gpu an case so don't Wana spend money on anything else I'm just Gona leave q6600 in it seems to work well just found it odd that dg41rq motherboard wouldn't work with qx6800

 

[Bones]

3 words.
Hot air station. Focus on the areas that need reflow.
You have one, obviously. That's nice stuff. I gotta toaster oven..lol!
Have melted things in the name of reflowing before.

Yes I have one.
I'm not looking to blow the itty-bitty pieces off the card, those tiny little parts will "Jump" suddenly with a desoldering wand as experience has taught me so using the IR station for reflowing is the better choice.
I also noticed what appears to be a missing piece from the card, pics of others like it show those having a component where this one doesn't have it, plus the solder looks "Off" in that I believe the piece was knocked/ripped off the board.
Need to find some good, large pics of this card so I can check those out to compare and possibly get some part numbers from.
BTW I did get the heatsink off (Finally) and the MOSFETs look perfect, doesn't seem they've been replaced before.

 

[E-Bear]

Florida I just have a bunch of PC parts from various projects trying to put something together for my friend he wants something that can play Roblox I have to buy cheap gpu an case so don't Wana spend money on anything else I'm just Gona leave q6600 in it seems to work well just found it odd that dg41rq motherboard wouldn't work with qx6800

Ok then. I had some parts but you are too far. Still keep us informed if you miss something.

 

[Retrorockit]

So I have a e5300 and a e6400 can those be pin moded and would either be better than pin modded q6600

The E5300 should go 3.45 or so but it will be a different pinmod from 200fsb to 266fsb.
The 8x multiplier and 65nm makes the E6400 a waste of time.
E7500 sell for $6.
The pinmod Q6600 is about 10% slower than a Q9650 at the same speed, An X5470 is 10% faster than that, and the E7500 pinmod single core speed is another 10% faster.
The QX6800 is a good match for the Opti 745. It's the only CPU that makes sense for that system. A Zotac GTX 1050 Mini drops right in. OC it to 3.45Ghz and it's a decent old box. ( I am assuming it's the tower and not the smaller ones.)
If you have the budget for a GTX1060 I can help you with that also.

 

[TOMCAT]

...
Need to find some good, large pics of this card so I can check those out to compare and possibly get some part numbers from.

I can offer you to make pics from a Powercolor AG3850 512MD-P (LF R67CG V1.0), european Version.
Max res ~4.000x3.000 Pixels.
Backside is easy, front is tricky because of glued heat sinks.

These are only previews with 1280x960 Pixels!

 

[Bones]

@TOMCAT Thank you so much for these pics!
Now I can see the value of the missing crystal and know what goes there on this one. Went ahead and grabbed a copy of these for reference, I do believe these are either identical or so close it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Retrorockit]

Florida I just have a bunch of PC parts from various projects trying to put something together for my friend he wants something that can play Roblox I have to buy cheap gpu an case so don't Wana spend money on anything else I'm just Gona leave q6600 in it seems to work well just found it odd that dg41rq motherboard wouldn't work with qx6800

Since you seem to be willing to part with the QX6800 why not build the Opti 745 for him?
A built out Opti 745 would look like this.
QX6800 Throttlestop overclocked to 3.45GHz. D9729 heatpipe cooler ( you may already have that).
8GB DDR2-800 RAM x64 low density.
Optional mod.
AFC1512DG fan. 150x50mm. Precision 390 fan Dell# NC466,or DG168. can be found $10. Drop in to replace whole fan and housing. Velcro it in, 2 sided tape ,whatever. Quiet fan. On my Opti 380 I just stuck a piece of packing foam on it and the side cover holds it in place
Zotac GTX1050 Mini. 2 or 4GB version. The Zotac is 2 slots wide but has a single wide bracket. No mod required.
Vented expansion slot blanking plates help with GPU temps. Or a Cyclone expansion slot blower.

Optional GTX1060 mod. requires PSU swap. Dell 375W from any BTX Mid tower will work (PrecisionT3400 is a good one). Or aftermarket 450W.
MSI GTX1060 3GB OCV1 can be modded to fit. Remove bracket and cut in 1/2 to make 1 slot card. Trim plastic at other end to length of circuit board and it fits.
I don't put 6GB GPUs in 8GB systems. The 3GB works for me with no issues. 4GB is pushing it a little IMO.

 

[havli]

It is time to take a short brake from pci-e GPU testing and try some older stuff.

Radeon 7500 vs GeForce2 Ultra

 

[Durkhead]

Since you seem to be willing to part with the QX6800 why not build the Opti 745 for him?
A built out Opti 745 would look like this.
QX6800 Throttlestop overclocked to 3.45GHz. D9729 heatpipe cooler ( you may already have that).
8GB DDR2-800 RAM x64 low density.
Optional mod.
AFC1512DG fan. 150x50mm. Precision 390 fan Dell# NC466,or DG168. can be found $10. Drop in to replace whole fan and housing. Velcro it in, 2 sided tape ,whatever. Quiet fan. On my Opti 380 I just stuck a piece of packing foam on it and the side cover holds it in place
Zotac GTX1050 Mini. 2 or 4GB version. The Zotac is 2 slots wide but has a single wide bracket. No mod required.
Vented expansion slot blanking plates help with GPU temps. Or a Cyclone expansion slot blower.

Optional GTX1060 mod. requires PSU swap. Dell 375W from any BTX Mid tower will work (PrecisionT3400 is a good one). Or aftermarket 450W.
MSI GTX1060 3GB OCV1 can be modded to fit. Remove bracket and cut in 1/2 to make 1 slot card. Trim plastic at other end to length of circuit board and it fits.
I don't put 6GB GPUs in 8GB systems. The 3GB works for me with no issues. 4GB is pushing it a little IMO.

I basically did that for my son I used a gt 1030 an qx6800 I messed around with throttle stop an got it to 3.7 ghz but it didn't seem to make a diff except in benchmarks and how hot it got the ram is only 667 and I didn't want to put any more money in it. The dg41rq board let me change the ram speed to 800 and with the pin moded q6600 ran a little better

The E5300 should go 3.45 or so but it will be a different pinmod from 200fsb to 266fsb.
The 8x multiplier and 65nm makes the E6400 a waste of time.
E7500 sell for $6.
The pinmod Q6600 is about 10% slower than a Q9650 at the same speed, An X5470 is 10% faster than that, and the E7500 pinmod single core speed is another 10% faster.
The QX6800 is a good match for the Opti 745. It's the only CPU that makes sense for that system. A Zotac GTX 1050 Mini drops right in. OC it to 3.45Ghz and it's a decent old box. ( I am assuming it's the tower and not the smaller ones.)
If you have the budget for a GTX1060 I can help you with that also.

I don't see the point in putting in 1050 or higher gt 1030 is plenty an doesn't use as much power

 

[Retrorockit]

I basically did that for my son I used a gt 1030 an qx6800 I messed around with throttle stop an got it to 3.7 ghz but it didn't seem to make a diff except in benchmarks and how hot it got the ram is only 667 and I didn't want to put any more money in it. The dg41rq board let me change the ram speed to 800 and with the pin moded q6600 ran a little better


I don't see the point in putting in 1050 or higher gt 1030 is plenty an doesn't use as much power

3.7GHz is maybe a step too far for the 3 phase VRM in that. I guess the 945 chipset does stop at 667 RAM, The 965 chiset in the same era E520 goes 800.
If the GT1030 is enough for you then I guess the rest really doesn't matter. The Gt1030 is a 720P card at best.
GTX750 is better but barely 1080P, and the GTX1050 much better than that.
The fan mod above with the correct P4 heatsink will cool it at 3.72Ghz. I would heatsink the VRM MOSFETS at that speed.

UserBenchmark: Dell OptiPlex 380 Compatible Builds

You can see the difference the GPU makes here.
GTX1060 56%
GTX1050 31%
GTX750Ti 21%
GT1030 15%
The GPU and PSU are 2 places that I do spend money on these because they aren't tied to the old BTX architecture.
But a pinmod Q6600 is more than enough for a GT1030 level machine. Since you're giving these away the budget route may make sense. A CPU or overclock isn't going to lift up a GT1030 computer.

 

[micropage7]

Hi at all.

I think I had a big fortune to find this baby:

I'm so so so happy!

Iconic sticker

 

[Durkhead]

3.7GHz is maybe a step too far for the 3 phase VRM in that. I guess the 945 chipset does stop at 667 RAM, The 965 chiset in the same era E520 goes 800.
If the GT1030 is enough for you then I guess the rest really doesn't matter. The Gt1030 is a 720P card at best.
GTX750 is better but barely 1080P, and the GTX1050 much better than that.
The fan mod above with the correct P4 heatsink will cool it at 3.72Ghz. I would heatsink the VRM MOSFETS at that speed.

UserBenchmark: Dell OptiPlex 380 Compatible Builds

You can see the difference the GPU makes here.
GTX1060 56%
GTX1050 31%
GTX750Ti 21%
GT1030 15%
The GPU and PSU are 2 places that I do spend money on these because they aren't tied to the old BTX architecture.
But a pinmod Q6600 is more than enough for a GT1030 level machine. Since you're giving these away the budget route may make sense. A CPU or overclock isn't going to lift up a GT1030 computer.

The optiplex 745 I bought refurbished from Walmart I guess they did a good job cause when I went to look at the mosfets they were all ready heatsinked and the games I played need for speed and burnout paradise and some others from Xbox game pass all played fine in 1080p high settings with gt 1030 the usage mostly at 70% and u can't play newer games like Forza 4 cause the lack of instructions in the CPU that's why I would say for most core 2 systems anything over gt 1030 is overkill

 

[Retrorockit]

The G41 with an E5450 Xeon 80W swap may be the thing for you. My X5470 has enough instructions to run Unigine Superposition. The Q6600,QX6800 are much older. The only LGA775/771 systems I saw there are Xeons and one E8400. CPU world lists the instruction sets for each CPU.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%20E5450%20-%20EU80574KJ080N%20-%20AT80574KJ080N%20%28BX80574E5450A%29.html

It's possible that the Intel BIOS is even more locked down than the Dell for Xeon swaps.
But here are a couple Superposition Core2 Xeon benchmarks to show what difference the GPU can make,
QX9770 3.4Ghz LGA775 Xeon with GTX960 at Superposition scoring just under 5000 points.

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

benchmark.unigine.com

Opti 380 X5470 3.33GHz with GTX1060 scoring just over 8000 points.

UNIGINE Superposition benchmark score

UNIGINE Superpsition detailed score page

benchmark.unigine.com

The GTX960 struggles to stay above 30fps and never gets to 50fps.
The GTX 1060 3GB barely goes below 50fps and averages about 60fps.
The Q6600 pinmod vs QX6800 discussion is probably right for this thread, but the modern GPU/game question should probably go in the Throttlestop Overclocking thread.
Anyway G41/Xeon/modern GPU has some potential. Even if it's a low end Dell BTX office computer.
These scores ARE at the low end of the leaderboard for 1080P Medium settings for this benchmark.
Delidded.com shows that Xeon swap as confirmed.

LGA 771 to 775 Adapter (MOD) - Run faster Xeon CPUs in a Core 2 Quad motherboard - Page 3 of 5

Learn how to MOD your LGA 775 motherboard to support faster LGA 771 Xeon CPUs. Also covers: the adapter, motherboard compatibility, and troubleshooting.

www.delidded.com

Here's an interesting CPU X5270 Xeon LGA771 3.5Ghz 2 core.

Intel Xeon X5270 SLBAQ CPU | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Intel Xeon X5270 SLBAQ CPU at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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[Keullo-e]

I can offer you to make pics from a Powercolor AG3850 512MD-P (LF R67CG V1.0), european Version.
Max res ~4.000x3.000 Pixels.
Backside is easy, front is tricky because of glued heat sinks.
View attachment 146004View attachment 146005
These are only previews with 1280x960 Pixels!

Is that better than my Sapphire?

 

[TOMCAT]

Is that better than my Sapphire?

Let me say quite different, but not "better".
The sapphire is a little bit faster than this powercolor, but needs 8-pin PCIe power. The powercolor needs only 6-pin PCIe power an is a better choice for passiv cooled silent GPU.
Never tried OC'ing on this cards. Kept the powercolor for a red MSI board, my sapphire HD3850 AGP is reserved for a blue Gigabyte or AsRock board.

 

[biffzinker]

It's one thing to install linux on a virtual machine, but to install it on a 30 year old computer is another. So join me on this journey back in the past, to the beginning of 1994 when Slackware 1.1.2 was released, and the entire kernel source tree could still fit on a single 1.44MB 3.5 inch floppy.