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I sent a message to a seller from CHINA i got an adapter from them and told them it did not work.I said to them it is not worth returning it as it only cost five pounds.I would give them a negative feedback saying it did not work.They sent this message back to me
*Dear buyer, What‘s wrong with the item? please tell me more details, could you please do me a little favor to send me a clear photo of the item and Package?I will do my best to solve it for u after checking it, ok?It’s really my honor to serve you*
I was not asking for any money back ,Something can look all right and still not work it looks fine but does not work.You can,t explain to them they don,t understand. o_O
Ebay or Amazon. Stop buying from China direct.

Can you give me a link to download FDisk?
FDisk is on the Windows setup boot floppy.
 
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Ebay or Amazon. Stop buying from China direct.
There is nothing wrong with buying from China, and I've done so countless times myself. But you need to buy from respectable stores/sellers, with good reputation. I remember the time (before Covid 19, back in 2018/2019) when things from China, sold on Ali Express used to be dirt cheap. For example, Audio Technica phono cartridges, used on turntables. Some folks suggested that it may be fake, but what they didn't realize at the time is that Audio Technica (which is a Japanese corporation) also have a factory in China for their lower-end (read: cheaper) products. You could get a complete cartridge assembly for as low as 10$ ... complete with free shipping to Europe.

Just to put things into perspective, you can buy the same stylus (but without the cartridge & mounting gear) at the HiFi store for approx. 25$, while the British corporation Rega used to re-sell that same 10$ cartridge under their own brand name, and charged $60 for it.
 
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There is nothing wrong with buying from China, and I've done so countless times myself. But you need to buy from respectable stores/sellers, with good reputation. I remember the time (before Covid 19, back in 2018/2019) when things from China, sold on Ali Express used to be dirt cheap. For example, Audio Technica phono cartridges, used on turntables. Some folks suggested that it may be fake, but what they didn't realize at the time is that Audio Technica (which is a Japanese corporation) also have a factory in China for their lower-end (read: cheaper) products. You could get a complete cartridge assembly for as low as 10$ ... complete with free shipping to Europe.

Just to put things into perspective, you can buy the same stylus (but without the cartridge & mounting gear) at the HiFi store for approx. 25$, while the British corporation Rega used to re-sell that same 10$ cartridge under their own brand name, and charged $60 for it.
This is what i bought ,this is not the exact one i recived,they Just put it in an Jiffey bag the caps were bending towards the IDE connection.As phil says in his videos they are tempremental.Things can look fine and still not work.I don,t know what a picture would prove plus they asked to see the packet it came in i can,t find it.I just thought i would let them know the situation before i gave them bad feedbck.If this was a UK seller they would have given me the money back it was only £5.It is not worth me sending it back for £5. o_O Of course if it was from Amazon you would get your money back where ever it was from.1559/60 is my one the system is turned on no light.It is a hell of a job getting the Molex cable out of the socket. :(1564 the other one i have that is working Red light on.

There is nothing wrong with buying from China, and I've done so countless times myself. But you need to buy from respectable stores/sellers, with good reputation. I remember the time (before Covid 19, back in 2018/2019) when things from China, sold on Ali Express used to be dirt cheap. For example, Audio Technica phono cartridges, used on turntables. Some folks suggested that it may be fake, but what they didn't realize at the time is that Audio Technica (which is a Japanese corporation) also have a factory in China for their lower-end (read: cheaper) products. You could get a complete cartridge assembly for as low as 10$ ... complete with free shipping to Europe.

Just to put things into perspective, you can buy the same stylus (but without the cartridge & mounting gear) at the HiFi store for approx. 25$, while the British corporation Rega used to re-sell that same 10$ cartridge under their own brand name, and charged $60 for it.
This is only the second time i had a problem from buying something from China one was when the seller sent me the wrong irem .They gave me there address but not a pre paid one that was only £7 which would not be worth sending it back because of the postage i would have to pay to send it back which i might not have got back ,and when i looked them up it looked like they had stoped trading.Or if it was a UK seller they would more than likely just give me a refund because £5 is such a small amount.I doubt if the seller in China will do that.I would have thought it would be in there intrest to do that, as no seller wants negative feedback.1563 is my one with the caps leaning over to the IDE connection it was just put in one of those packets with bubble material on the packet.
 

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This is what i bought ,this is not the exact one i recived,they Just put it in an Jiffey bag the caps were bending towards the IDE connection.As phil says in his videos they are tempremental.Things can look fine and still not work.I don,t know what a picture would prove plus they asked to see the packet it came in i can,t find it.I just thought i would let them know the situation before i gave them bad feedbck.If this was a UK seller they would have given me the money back it was only £5.It is not worth me sending it back for £5. o_O Of course if it was from Amazon you would get your money back where ever it was from.1559/60 is my one the system is turned on no light.It is a hell of a job getting the Molex cable out of the socket. :(1564 the other one i have that is working Red light on.


This is only the second time i had a problem from buying something from China one was when the seller sent me the wrong irem .They gave me there address but not a pre paid one that was only £7 which would not be worth sending it back because of the postage i would have to pay to send it back which i might not have got back ,and when i looked them up it looked like they had stoped trading.Or if it was a UK seller they would more than likely just give me a refund because £5 is such a small amount.I doubt if the seller in China will do that.I would have thought it would be in there intrest to do that, as no seller wants negative feedback.1563 is my one with the caps leaning over to the IDE connection it was just put in one of those packets with bubble material on the packet.
It looks as if the caps had been pulled aside (or torn off?) in transport. Either way, you should be able to solder them back in.

On a side note, would you mind if I ask you how come you are assembling computer hardware on (what it appears to be) kitchen counter & either a cooker or the sink? If any of the oils, liquids or food gets inside the electronics, it could ... and probably will short the circuitry, resulting with permanent damage to your hardware. And I'm not even going to talk about live electricity within the power supply box, that thing is a fire hazard.
 
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It looks as if the caps had been pulled aside (or torn off?) in transport. Either way, you should be able to solder them back in.

On a side note, would you mind if I ask you how come you are assembling computer hardware on (what it appears to be) kitchen counter & either a cooker or the sink? If any of the oils, liquids or food gets inside the electronics, it could ... and probably will short the circuitry, resulting with permanent damage to your hardware. And I'm not even going to talk about live electricity within the power supply box, that thing is a fire hazard.It is

It looks as if the caps had been pulled aside (or torn off?) in transport. Either way, you should be able to solder them back in.

On a side note, would you mind if I ask you how come you are assembling computer hardware on (what it appears to be) kitchen counter & either a cooker or the sink? If any of the oils, liquids or food gets inside the electronics, it could ... and probably will short the circuitry, resulting with permanent damage to your hardware. And I'm not even going to talk about live electricity within the power supply box, that thing is a fire hazard.
It is on the cooker i never use it i use a slow cooker.The power supply is working fine ,i tested it with a PSU tester.
 
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It is on the cooker i never use it i use a slow cooker.The power supply is working fine ,i tested it with a PSU tester.
I understand that the power supply is working fine, but I hope you understand that if any of the liquids ends up inside that box, it is going to spark and/or short. In worst case scenario cause the fire or electrical shock. We are talking 230 volts AC after all, not 12V DC. Something to keep in mind.
 
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I understand that the power supply is working fine, but I hope you understand that if any of the liquids ends up inside that box, it is going to spark and/or short. In worst case scenario cause the fire or electrical shock. We are talking 230 volts AC after all, not 12V DC. Something to keep in mind.
I get your point there, but i don,t use the cooker i use a slow cooker.I have rearranged it .And and screwed the PSU in the case, i use the case for testing :)
i could not see his part one o_O
 

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There is nothing wrong with buying from China
Nonsense. Buying from China direct is a crap-shoot. People need to buy from their local markets where the local consumer protection laws apply.

This is what i bought ,this is not the exact one i recived,they Just put it in an Jiffey bag the caps were bending towards the IDE connection.
And this is why. Buy locally my friend, you will save yourself a lot of headaches.
 
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Nonsense. Buying from China direct is a crap-shoot. People need to buy from their local markets where the local consumer protection laws apply.


And this is why. Buy locally my friend, you will save yourself a lot of headaches.
Fair enough, everyone's entitled to have their own political opinion. But I will tell you this - if I had bought all those items locally, I would have paid them two, three times the asking price. In other words, yes - it is definitely worth buying locally if you can find it for about the same price. Otherwise it is a risk that I'm willing to pay ... but that's just me & my opinion.
 
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Fair enough, everyone's entitled to have their own political opinion.
This has NOTHING to do with politics. It has everything to do with quality of service, the ability for a customer to return defective products and protections afforded by local laws. I don't appreciate you twisting my words and intentions out of context so you can attempt to justify your position. Buying locally is ALWAYS good advice and a good idea. It faster, it's easier and it DOESN'T involve severely risky transactions.
 
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Could be a location thing. China don't treat the US very good.
I agree with Lex.
I'll pay a little more for it. No problem.
 
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Not everyone lives in a country that has quality of service or any kind of laws protecting the customer for real. Most people live in a shitty countries, where buying locally means paying 3x or more than it's worth, and dealing with the same monopoly companies (read making the same bastards utterly rich) that charge you for VAT, but not paying it themselves to the government. Keep that in mind. That's why people like to buy far away from their own yard.
And btw this is a Nostalgic hardware club, don't spoil it with arguing off topic stuff.
 
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This has NOTHING to do with politics. It has everything to do with quality of service, the ability for a customer to return defective products and protections afforded by local laws. I don't appreciate you twisting my words and intentions out of context so you can attempt to justify your position. Buying locally is ALWAYS good advice and a good idea. It faster, it's easier and it DOESN'T involve severely risky transactions.
I'm not twisting your words, but if you still want me to elaborate my previous post, please let me know and I'll send you a PM some time tomorrow when I get the chance to discuss things in private & outside this thread.

Not everyone lives in a country that has quality of service or any kind of laws protecting the customer for real. Most people live in a shitty countries, where buying locally means paying 3x or more than it's worth, and dealing with the same monopoly companies (read making the same bastards utterly rich) that charge you for VAT, but not paying it themselves to the government. Keep that in mind. That's why people like to buy far away from their own yard.
And btw this is a Nostalgic hardware club, don't spoil it with arguing off topic stuff.
This... Absolutely agreed on everything that's been said.

Back on topic ... sorta. I just wanted to share this video here, regarding the phono pickup which I mentioned before. Audio Technica AT-3600L (10$) vs Rega Carbon (60$). And of course, we all know VWestLife in this thread, so no additional or special explanations are necessary:
 

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Alright, quit frigging trying to start an argument about this guys!!!

Let's just agree to disagree and all get along in here...........Please.
 
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Alright, quit frigging trying to start an argument about this guys!!!

Let's just agree to disagree and all get along in here...........Please.
 

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Nonsense. Buying from China direct is a crap-shoot. People need to buy from their local markets where the local consumer protection laws apply.


And this is why. Buy locally my friend, you will save yourself a lot of headaches.
Nonsense. Buying from China direct is a crap-shoot. People need to buy from their local markets where the local consumer protection laws apply.


And this is why. Buy locally my friend, you will save yourself a lot of headaches.
I agree with that you are saying ,i would never buy anything over £10 from China.As Trekkie4says the prices in the uk are a lot more than China.i can,t comment on the EU as we left some years ago . Prices in the US for electrical goods seem to be a lot cheaper than the UK.And you are right when you buy from China.you have less protection rights.Yes it is good to buy localy :)
 
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I'm not twisting your words, but if you still want me to elaborate my previous post, please let me know and I'll send you a PM some time tomorrow when I get the chance to discuss things in private & outside this thread.


This... Absolutely agreed on everything that's been said.

Back on topic ... sorta. I just wanted to share this video here, regarding the phono pickup which I mentioned before.Audio Technica AT-3600L (10$) vs Rega Carbon (60$). And of course, we all know VWestLife in this thread, so no additional or special explanations are necessary:
Audio Technica catriges are very good value and sound good to.even the cheapesr ones:)I have an Audio Technica turmtable they make good stuff at a reasonable. prices:).As far as i am concered Rega are overtated.But then again i prefer Direct drive turntables.:)
 
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Stanton/Pickering used to do the same thing with their cartridges. The Stanton's went to the professional market, Pickering to regular home consumers. They'd also sell unbranded Pickering cartridges dirt cheap to various companies for use in their own labeled store brands. They were excellent cartridges sold on trash turntables. I was doing Pro audio back in those days and we sold Stanton's high-end models. I have a nice collection of them including some NOS Stereohedron stylii still in the original unopened plastic boxes. Those bring insane prices on Ebay these days. China can't come anywhere near reproducing them (or anyplace else either so far).

I'll put my KABUSA modded Technics M3D with a Stanton 881S and a NOS D81S Stereohedron stylus up against just about anything today. When J&R Music in NYC was blowing out the Stanton 680 V3 cartridges for $29 I bought several of them. With a D6800SL Stereohedron stylus (the most rare of any Stanton/Pickering stylus I know of) the results are mind blowing. I lucked into running across somebody who had a stash of NOS D6800SL's and snapped every one up. Here's a picture of an unopened one:
 

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Yeah, sorry for derailing folks. Struck a nerve. @Trekkie4, You make a good points about some of the world not having great access to technology. Didn't mean to offend.
All good, I'm not offended. Was merely stating my opinion, which I probably should have explained in greater detail, but at the same time didn't want to go too far from topic.

Audio Technica catriges are very good value and sound good to.even the cheapesr ones:)I have an Audio Technica turmtable they make good stuff at a reasonable. prices:).As far as i am concered Rega are overtated.But then again i prefer Direct drive turntables.:)
Yeah, Audio Technica sure knows how to make a great sounding cart, I can tell you that much. Usually when you have a product ... doesn't matter which one, the company behind it try their best, sometimes even lie about its capabilities & specs, making it seem better than it actually is. But ironically, in this particular situation we got the opposite effect - AT-3600L seems cheap & mediocre on paper, but when you actually plug it in you get blown away by its performance. In fact, VWestlife pointed out that the real specs are indeed much better than the ones mentioned on their website or packaging, leaving you puzzled to why would anyone do such a thing?!

I did some research, and (eventually) found out that 3600L is OEM cartridge, that was never meant to be sold to general public. In other words, it was strictly designed to be used on brand new turntables sold by others (including AT themselves), and the initial design goes way, way back in to mid 80-s. In fact, I have a Dual turntable at home that's been manufactured in late 80s, which had one of these on its tonearm. This particular model was ... and to this day still is great sounding cart, which happens to be dirt cheap & easy to manufacture.


Stanton/Pickering used to do the same thing with their cartridges. The Stanton's went to the professional market, Pickering to regular home consumers. They'd also sell unbranded Pickering cartridges dirt cheap to various companies for use in their own labeled store brands. They were excellent cartridges sold on trash turntables. I was doing Pro audio back in those days and we sold Stanton's high-end models. I have a nice collection of them including some NOS Stereohedron stylii still in the original unopened plastic boxes. Those bring insane prices on Ebay these days. China can't come anywhere near reproducing them (or anyplace else either so far).

I'll put my KABUSA modded Technics M3D with a Stanton 881S and a NOS D81S Stereohedron stylus up against just about anything today. When J&R Music in NYC was blowing out the Stanton 680 V3 cartridges for $29 I bought several of them. With a D6800SL Stereohedron stylus (the most rare of any Stanton/Pickering stylus I know of) the results are mind blowing. I lucked into running across somebody who had a stash of NOS D6800SL's and snapped every one up. Here's a picture of an unopened one:
Oh yeah, Stantons are very nice! I had the opportunity to listen 500 (MK1), and immediately wanted to grab one of those for myself. Unfortunately, there was always the issue of price & costs piling up. Same thing with Shure, I absolutely love M91. I was actually on a lookout for M91 ED or even GD for years ... and ultimately found one (in addition to M75), but the generic replacement stylus didn't really do it much justice so to speak, and eventually I had to sell both of them.

Regarding AT3600, yes I would have to agree. It really & truly makes "trash" & cheaper turntables sound incredibly good. Which is a good selling point, and I keep seeing more & more cheaper tables with 3600 either integrated into the tonearm, or being included in some way or form.

I own Hanpin turntable, myself. Audio Technica AT-LP140XP, a very nice table that's probably as close to Technics as you can get. What I wanted ... and was hoping to buy someday was genuine SL-1210, but unfortunately you can't seem to find one for under $700. Lots of cheaper ones being offered are beaten up, used in various gigs & night clubs. So by the time you fully rebuild everything from top to bottom you end up with the same amount as you'd pay for a brand new mk7 ... or in worst case scenario GR series.
 
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Ebay or Amazon. Stop buying from China direct.


FDisk is on the Windows setup boot floppy.
I got a better version takes next to no time ro do.Thanks to our Aussie friend Phil
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Yeah, sorry for derailing folks. Struck a nerve. @Trekkie4, You make a good points about some of the world not having great access to technology. Didn't mean to offend.
As regards how this subject came about ,The seller got back to me and said
*To make thing better, we can offer partial money.
You can keep the item, no need to return,
Return will take much time and money
Is that okay?*
£3.72
I paid £5.17 What there not paying is the VAT and postage.Postage aparently 58p
I accepted it anyway.

All good, I'm not offended. Was merely stating my opinion, which I probably should have explained in greater detail, but at the same time didn't want to go too far from topic.


Yeah, Audio Technica sure knows how to make a great sounding cart, I can tell you that much. Usually when you have a product ... doesn't matter which one, the company behind it try their best, sometimes even lie about its capabilities & specs, making it seem better than it actually is. But ironically, in this particular situation we got the opposite effect - AT-3600L seems cheap & mediocre on paper, but when you actually plug it in you get blown away by its performance. In fact, VWestlife pointed out that the real specs are indeed much better than the ones mentioned on their website or packaging, leaving you puzzled to why would anyone do such a thing?!

I did some research, and (eventually) found out that 3600L is OEM cartridge, that was never meant to be sold to general public. In other words, it was strictly designed to be used on brand new turntables sold by others (including AT themselves), and the initial design goes way, way back in to mid 80-s. In fact, I have a Dual turntable at home that's been manufactured in late 80s, which had one of these on its tonearm. This particular model was ... and to this day still is great sounding cart, which happens to be dirt cheap & easy to manufacture.



Oh yeah, Stantons are very nice! I had the opportunity to listen 500 (MK1), and immediately wanted to grab one of those for myself. Unfortunately, there was always the issue of price & costs piling up. Same thing with Shure, I absolutely love M91. I was actually on a lookout for M91 ED or even GD for years ... and ultimately found one (in addition to M75), but the generic replacement stylus didn't really do it much justice so to speak, and eventually I had to sell both of them.

Regarding AT3600, yes I would have to agree. It really & truly makes "trash" & cheaper turntables sound incredibly good. Which is a good selling point, and I keep seeing more & more cheaper tables with 3600 either integrated into the tonearm, or being included in some way or form.

I own Hanpin turntable, myself. Audio Technica AT-LP140XP, a very nice table that's probably as close to Technics as you can get. What I wanted ... and was hoping to buy someday was genuine SL-1210, but unfortunately you can't seem to find one for under $700. Lots of cheaper ones being offered are beaten up, used in various gigs & night clubs. So by the time you fully rebuild everything from top to bottom you end up with the same amount as you'd pay for a brand new mk7 ... or in worst case scenario GR series.
The thing is a lot of brands have put up there prices massively ,but not Audio Technica i am talking about the 80,s prices.If you live in the UK Cambridge Audio is good value for money and well made check out there amps and there other stuff all all though i would not rewcommed there top modal record deck.Of course most of electrical goods are made in China.
 

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The thing is a lot of brands have put up there prices massively ,but not Audio Technica i am talking about the 80,s prices.If you live in the UK Cambridge Audio is good value for money and well made check out there amps and there other stuff all all though i would not rewcommed there top modal record deck.Of course most of electrical goods are made in China.
Well I suppose the HiFi enthusiasm always came with hefty price tag, especially for higher-end components. Even decades ago, back in the 80s and 90s... But yeah, Audio Technica keeps their audio gear reasonably "cheap" due to the fact it is being mass-produced and made out of generic (off the shelf) components. Mind you, there's nothing wrong about that and it keeps the prices from skyrocketing. My LP140XP cost me approx. $500 which put me right in the zone where I wanted to be.

As far as I'm concerned, it was always going to be either used SL1210, brand new LP140 or Fluance RT85. Unfortunately, Fluance wasn't available in my location (guess I would have to buy it online, potentially risking with long-distance delivery) so in the end I've decided to play it safe & opted for 140. And I absolutely love it, the best turntable I've had so far! I actually posted few pics a while ago, in this very thread ... in case you want to check them out?
 
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Nonsense. Buying from China direct is a crap-shoot. People need to buy from their local markets where the local consumer protection laws apply.


And this is why. Buy locally my friend, you will save yourself a lot of headaches.
I got a message from this seller

Hi,dear friend.​

I can give you a partial refund of 30%,is it ok for you?​

Looking forward your answer.Best Wishes​


30%is enough considering it does not work ,,the cap on the end is loose.there takeing the pee :rockout:This is the message i sent ro them
*Hello considering it does not work rthe cap on the end is loose.see photo.Really i should get a full refund, 30% is to little, make me a more realistic offer.*
At the end of the day it was only just over £5.I am not botherd wheather i get the money back but they are takring the pee.They should really give me a full refund.The item is faulty.:rockout:
 

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I got a message from this seller

Hi,dear friend.​

I can give you a partial refund of 30%,is it ok for you?​

Looking forward your answer.Best Wishes​


30%is enough considering it does not work ,,the cap on the end is loose.there takeing the pee :rockout:This is the message i sent ro them
*Hello considering it does not work rthe cap on the end is loose.see photo.Really i should get a full refund, 30% is to little, make me a more realistic offer.*
At the end of the day it was only just over £5.I am not botherd wheather i get the money back but they are takring the pee.They should really give me a full refund.The item is faulty.:rockout:
Better than nothing! And I agree, they should give you a full refund.
 
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