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110nm R430 was used also in X800 XL which has 16 pipelines :)
Yeah I guess I was wrong, hopefully I can unlock this bad boys. But that have to wait for two weeks since I'm on holiday :D
 
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Now that gives hella lot flashbacks, I had a P6N SLI Platinum with an E6400 back in the day. OC'd pretty fine for a nForce 650i SLI board.
 

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Today at the flea market, I found an ASUS P5K/EPU motherboard with a E2200 CPU(meh CPU but good as a pin protector :D) and a DeepCool cooler (cheap but I think a little better than the stock cooler). I paid around 7 EUROS for the kit as it looked minty fresh. :D

When I got home I checked the motherboard again and I saw that something wasn't. A light brown color was visible in the WINBOND chip area, bottom left corner. On close inspection I saw that a transistor was looking kind of bad and the top cover vanished in thin air when I touched it with my hand. I didn't power up the board yet. The board looks great besides this problem and there is a great chance that it is still okay.

If someone has this motherboard I need some help identifying that transistor. Ideally I would need a clear picture or what are the markings on the transistor. I might save this board. :D The missing transistor has a SOT-23 package.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Today at the flea market, I found an ASUS P5K/EPU motherboard with a E2200 CPU(meh CPU but good as a pin protector :D) and a DeepCool cooler (cheap but I think a little better than the stock cooler). I paid around 7 EUROS for the kit as it looked minty fresh. :D

When I got home I checked the motherboard again and I saw that something wasn't. A light brown color was visible in the WINBOND chip area, bottom left corner. On close inspection I saw that a transistor was looking kind of bad and the top cover vanished in thin air when I touched it with my hand. I didn't power up the board yet. The board looks great besides this problem and there is a great chance that it is still okay.

If someone has this motherboard I need some help identifying that transistor. Ideally I would need a clear picture or what are the markings on the transistor. I might save this board. :D The missing transistor has a SOT-23 package.

Thanks in advance!

That is a really small one. I checked my P5 boards but I don't have a P5K/EPU and all of my boards are a different layout in that area.

You can try the same type as the two further low and to the right. They have the same package and knowing manufacturers they like to use the same part everywhere plausible. I'd try that as a last resort if no one shows up to give you a pic of the part.
 
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By deduction I also came to the conclusion that it might be a A1P transistor like the other two around the ALC883 chip but ideally I would need a confirmation. If this will not be possible I'll solder a A1P transistor or an equivalent and if the sound works then I'll consider the motherboard fixed.

Thanks for the advice Dinnercore. I couldn't leave the motherboard to rot at the flea market and now I have a project on my hands. :D
 
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When I got home I checked the motherboard again and I saw that something wasn't. A light brown color was visible in the WINBOND chip area, bottom left corner. On close inspection I saw that a transistor was looking kind of bad and the top cover vanished in thin air when I touched it with my hand. I didn't power up the board yet. The board looks great besides this problem and there is a great chance that it is still okay.
That missing transistor is like the others around it, an A1P. If you can find a supplier(or have spares) then you are good to go. However, that part serves the built-on audio. If you disable it in the BIOS and use a sound card, you'll be fine. As a precaution, I would take a soldering iron and clean off those pad contacts to remove any of the broken part.
 
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Hi,
Doubt it's nostalgic but it's pushing 11 years old and still alive
2009 Acer Aspire AX3800 with WG43M mother board and came with E5200 dual core upgraded to Q9550 core 2 quad and 2x4gb crucial memory came with Vista
Was my first jump into modifying and upgrading first was transplanting into a D450 case for a real gpu yes a evga 980 hybird lol worked well

For the lack of another gpu for x99 rig to be used woke this old thing up from hibernation and added it to my entertainment center on my new China clone hwbot test bench
Works pretty good still win-7 fired right up off an old system image and updated too
Win-10 has been on this machine but I haven't reinstalled it yet probably will self activate :)

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I've got a few pics. up of the XPS 420 4.32GHz project in the Throttlestop Overclocking thread.
Some CPUZ shots also. post#947 there.
 

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I received some free HW that has some problems. Two motherbaords and three graphic cards.

An ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe REV.1.02A that has problems with the PCI-E slots but works great with a PCI graphic card. RIP. It was embalmed and it is just a showpiece just like another Abit KN8 Ultra. Flaky 939 boards or it is just my luck ...

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2. Leadtek 7800 GTX MyVIVO Extreme PCI-E 256MB *** 900-10347-0002-300 D
3. 600-10348-0023-401 *** 900-10348-0100-001 *** 180-10348-0000-A04 *** NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 PCI-E 512MB / 7900 GTX

I also found a mighty SX835 Pentium 60MHz sk 4. It has a shaved head but who cares!

And la piece de resistance! A great motherboard just like the one I used to have! The RAM was found by a twist of fate just when I found my "lost" Abit. :D

I had to pay some $$$ for the kit bellow but I had to have it!

Abit NF7-S v2.0 + Athlon XP 2500 AXDA2500DKV4D + Corsair Platinum DDR 400 CL2 - 2x512MB, CMX512-3200C2PT, XMS3200, XMS3202 v5.2. PROMOS 5ns Rev A
I love seeing your posts @Robert B and I see you've found an NF7-S!! Oh I hope it's working like a dream!! :D :D Plus with that legionary XP 2500.... I thought it might have been the mobile version??....

Such love in this thread, I love looking through here, it's amazing :D :D
 

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I love seeing your posts @Robert B and I see you've found an NF7-S!! Oh I hope it's working like a dream!! :D :D Plus with that legionary XP 2500.... I thought it might have been the mobile version??....


I actually have an NF7-S sporting a 2500 mobile chip. Picked it up from an awesome member here on TPU a few years ago. Kind of thinking of parting with that combo. Hard to make a decision though on selling LOL
 
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Kind of thinking of parting with that combo. Hard to make a decision though on selling LOL
Unless you plan on using it sometime in the future or are a hardware collector there’s not much point to hanging on to it.
 

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I actually have an NF7-S sporting a 2500 mobile chip. Picked it up from an awesome member here on TPU a few years ago. Kind of thinking of parting with that combo. Hard to make a decision though on selling LOL
Make sure you don't get rid and then wish you hadn't!! :laugh: I used to do it and it drove me mad.. Wasted so much money trying to get hold of things I'd previously sold and wished I'd kept.. Drives me nuts I tell you !! :laugh:
 

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Same here, also with older console games. Hella more expensive than 10-15 years ago.
 
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I actually have an NF7-S sporting a 2500 mobile chip. Picked it up from an awesome member here on TPU a few years ago. Kind of thinking of parting with that combo. Hard to make a decision though on selling LOL
Let me know when you're ready. I can always use another.
 
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I love seeing your posts @Robert B and I see you've found an NF7-S!! Oh I hope it's working like a dream!! :D :D Plus with that legionary XP 2500.... I thought it might have been the mobile version??....

Such love in this thread, I love looking through here, it's amazing :D :D

Yeah I FOUND ONE! By a twist of fate my retro HW supplier found this gem and I was quick to snatch it. It is working well.

I never saw an AXP mobile version in the flesh. :D Anyway that AXP 2500+ AQXDA 0322SPEW should be pretty good. :D

I'm still waiting for my cousin to retire my original NF7-S. In the end I might have two of these babies. :D

Today I wasn't planing to go at the flea market again but I went there and I found a Pentium II 266MHz SL2HE CPU complete with a Cooler Master heatsink. The Ultimate Thermal Solution. Wicked!
 

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Rear shot showing the 2nd water block with 4x Peltier chips, and their finsinks. The pump has a pressurized resrvoir to compensate for any expansion, or loss to weepage. Picked this up for $20 on Ebay.

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I apologize for the large images. I tried to edit them out and lost the first image not only in the post but from my computer also. I'll have set up the tripod and neutral background again to post it later.

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For you fans of exotic old junk. Here is the Dell H2C,BTX,AIO,Peltier water loop. This shows the pump with pressurized reservoir to allow for expansion and weepage. The 2nd water block with 4x Peltier chis, and their finsinks.
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The 45* cranked CPU area makes this the only BTX water block ASFAIK. The radiator is not that thick,but it "could" be.
The Delta 120x38mm 1.6A. fan is a pretty potent piece already. Proprietary connector for the fan, water loop, and RGB light show. it only cools down to ambient to avoid condensation, and the radiator would start actually adding heat to loop below that.
The more I try to fix this the worse it gets.
 
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By deduction I also came to the conclusion that it might be a A1P transistor like the other two around the ALC883 chip but ideally I would need a confirmation. If this will not be possible I'll solder a A1P transistor or an equivalent and if the sound works then I'll consider the motherboard fixed.

If you have a soldering station worth 160$ at least, you may have some chances of success.
I would clean these pads and test the motherboard first.
 
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When I have MB sound issues I just stuff a USB sound card in it and get on with my life.
Sound Blaster Xfi Go Pro if I can find them cheap.
 
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The more I try to fix this the worse it gets.
Unsuccessful product design this is to blame.
Just add this valuable experience in good storage for improved future judgements.
 
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