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[Greenslade]

I'd try and score the system with the Athlon 1800+ vs the Duron @Greenslade

It will be much faster and you will have a much better experience vs trying to run the Duron chip.

I'd try and score the system with the Athlon 1800+ vs the Duron @Greenslade

It will be much faster and you will have a much better experience vs trying to run the Duron chip.

Thanks for that i did look it up before on CPU world and other sites like that. I was chating to Lex in conversation on here he said that the HP one was the beter one.But he just got back to me ,saying i would get a better experance with ine if these Dell Dimensions 4500 4700 i can,t see any in the UK anyway.I should have a good enouh experaince with the HP i should think,Besides i don,t really want one of thouse big heavy old PC,s

That one will work! The Athlon 1800+ was an excellent CPU. An Athlon64 based system would be better though and should be in the same price range.


Yeah, that is a crap ton of custom config and patching stuff there and a lot of it is super janky. Not something for the average RetroPC user. Props for getting it working! However, most people are not going to have the BIOS options to make for a compatible operating environment as most OEM systems don't have many of those options.

Someone who just wants something to Plug&Play is just going to want to stick in the Windows ME CD, boot up, install and away they go.. For that, an AGP based system is the best option and the only option with Official driver support for the chipsets and CPUs.

Thats me Lex something simple Plug and play I have just sent the seller a message looking at his other PC,s he says *Tested working*all he says about this one is
*In good condition ,considering the age*
i have eyes i can see what condition it is in. I want to know if it is working how it should be, thats what i have asked him As it is a big seller rather than someone selling it for them selves proberly blown it with that email to them.Isee that when i click used on the item on eBay it says USED
*The item may have some signs of cosmetic wear, but is fully operational and functions as intended. * in that case i will put in a bid as it is not a personal seller i want get much off. I will be luckey to get a fiver off it.

 

[Keullo-e]

it works!


even found a suitable/good matching heatsink

View attachment 248257

Now, @DR4G00N would you be so kind to help me find the right replacement caps?
I usually buy this stuff here: https://www.distrelec.ch/en
Also, what's your opinion, is this a heat-gun job or it can be done with a normal solder station?

Great! That Zalman looks great on it.

 

[Greenslade]

Is it posible it upgrade the CPU in this? I cab see this *M7UIG VERY 1* is this the number of the Motherboard?ATA 133.I do prefer this one to the other one but it is lower specs.It looks a lot cleaner inside more room inside there.

 

[DR4G00N]

Is it posible it upgrade the CPU in this? I cab see this *M7UIG VERY 1* is this the number of the Motherboard?ATA 133

Absolutely, though only up to an Athlon XP (200 or 266MHz FSB). So like a 2600+ 266FSB.

Might also want to upgrade it with DDR ram if you end up getting it.

That would make a pretty decent Win 2000/XP machine.

 

[Greenslade]

Absolutely, though only up to an Athlon XP (200 or 266MHz FSB). So like a 2600+ 266FSB.

Thanks for that. I take it that is not the motherboard number i gave on here?Do you know the mptherboard it is?i know ir is Socket 462
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2.08GHz/256KB/333MHz AXDA2600DKV3D Socket 462/Socket A CPU only avaleable from Germany £10.
This is inside of the other case with the better specs do you think it looks cluctered in there thouse ide cabals.
A lot clearer on the one with the blue fan.It looks like the psu will have to removed to get the fan heat sink out.Very cramped in both cases.

 

[68Olds]

The first motherboard is a Biostar M7VIG ver. 1.0. Interesting board, it had memory slots for DDR1 or SDR RAM.

Biostar USA

The second motherboard is an MSI MS-6367, the ver. # is blocked in the image. Manuals for different versions below.

http://msi-ftp.de/Manuals/6367-englv1.0.pdf

 

[Greenslade]

The first motherboard is a Biostar M7VIG ver. 1.0. Interesting board, it had memory slots for DDR1 or SDR RAM.

Biostar USA

The second motherboard is an MSI MS-6367, the ver. # is blocked in the image. Manuals for different versions below.

http://msi-ftp.de/Manuals/6367-englv1.0.pdf

Thanks for that it is going to be hard to get to change the CPU on the Bioster one ,which one do you think is best should i go for the other one with the better cpu?Or try and put a better cpu for the Biostar one?There is very little room inside both of the cases

 

[stinger608]

Is it posible it upgrade the CPU in this?

Absolutely, though only up to an Athlon XP (200 or 266MHz FSB). So like a 2600+ 266FSB.

Yes @Greenslade , as @DR4G00N stated, however, he stated that you would only be able to upgrade to a 2600+ chip. If my memory isn't failing, I think that is false. I had an early 133FSB motherboard (266) and had no issues upgrading to a 3200+ 133FSB chip.

Heck, I've even used a 200FSB (400) 3200+ chip on some later motherboards. You can also find some amazing 2800+ mobile chips from time to time. They overclock insanely.

 

[68Olds]

I can't get the Biostar manual to download from the ftp link (anyone else have any luck?). I'm guessing it is the better choice between the two because it should have a Biostar BIOS.
The MSI MS-6367 is an HP board & will have very limited BIOS options.

 

[stinger608]

The MSI MS-6367 is an HP board & will have very limited BIOS options.

I have to agree on this one! Go with the system that has the Biostar motherboard.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Biostar board is VIA chipset. You can mod any chip you want to run in it.
Use bigger multi because FSB will be limited by no PCI lock.

 

[stinger608]

Biostar board is VIA chipset. You can mod any chip you want to run in it.
Use bigger multi because FSB will be limited by no PCI lock.

Oh hell, I forgot that the Biostar's ran the VIA chipset! Great pointing that out brother!!!!!

 

[Mussels]

There is no AGP slot on that system. Avoid it.

Please post that on every motherboard review TPU ever does

 

[lexluthermiester]

Use bigger multi because FSB will be limited by no PCI lock.

This. It was a real problem BITD for OCing.

Please post that on every motherboard review TPU ever does

Right? In all seriousness, older systems that have the pinholes for an AGP slot but didn't actually have one should be avoided at all costs. The reason is simple, you'd be stuck with IGP or PCI based GPU's and both of those choices are lame-duck compared to AGP on systems of that time.

 

[Greenslade]

Yes @Greenslade , as @DR4G00N stated, however, he stated that you would only be able to upgrade to a 2600+ chip. If my memory isn't failing, I think that is false. I had an early 133FSB motherboard (266) and had no issues upgrading to a 3200+ 133FSB chip.

Heck, I've even used a 200FSB (400) 3200+ chip on some later motherboards. You can also find some amazing 2800+ mobile chips from time to time. They overclock insanely.

This is what it says. M7VIG is an all-in-one Micro ATX motherboard supports up to Athlon XP 2600+ processor with 266 MHz front side bus. M7VIG is powered by the VIA KM266 chipset, with its integrated S3 Graphics,I understand that AMD CPUS are fitted in the socket a different way to intel ones.Unforunatly the Athlon XP 2600+is as far as it goes for this board.If i went this route 10,50 for the cpu and with having to get more ram that would put the price of the PC way over the ready to go HP 432 that is max price of 50 pounds.The Midi Tower AMD Duron 1.3Ghz 128MB Ram price 65 plus 10,50 the extra for the ram.How much better would the Athlon XP 2600+be to the Athlon XP 1800 ? And would the extra price be justefied?The guy who is selling the Hp 432 got back to me after i sent him this message *
You say *In good condation considering the age* but nothing about it wotking?
On some of your PC,s you say tested wotking.Has it been tested .and Is it working?
Reply from seller
*Yes, I forgot to clarify , but the PC workign well, boot without trouble.
I wiped the HDD ,and installed a freedos.
All components tested and working as well.*
Question to peiple on here what is *Freedos*?
And also bearing in mind all the info on here, is it worth the extra money to get the other PC up par ,with the HP432 ready ro go our of the box?

I like this guys very informative videos,

 

[Trekkie4]

Please post that on every motherboard review TPU ever does

Seriously, I told someone very similar thing recently. I believe we were discussing floppy drives & IDE/ATA ports, and I mentioned that it's best to avoid motherboards without them. Or in worst case scenario, have the two optical drives routed through SATA.

Yes, yes, I know ... none of modern boards no longer have IDE controllers, and some people don't even use optical drives to begin with. Which is a mystery of its own, how you guys can manage without CDs and DVDs is beyond me!

 

[Greenslade]

Seriously, I told someone very similar thing recently. I believe we were discussing floppy drives & IDE/ATA ports, and I mentioned that it's best to avoid motherboards without them. Or in worst case scenario, have the two optical drives routed through SATA.

Yes, yes, I know ... none of modern boards no longer have IDE controllers, and some people don't even use optical drives to begin with. Which is a mystery of its own, how you guys can manage without CDs and DVDs is beyond me!

I am there with you about CD,s and DVD,s

 

[lexluthermiester]

how you guys can manage without CDs and DVDs is beyond me!

Right? I don't get it either. How the hell do people do backups?

 

[Audioave10]

I move a lot of game files with USB, but even with cutting the cable some years ago I might want to stick in an old movie to watch. I don't hardly use my TV anymore.
Plus I own hundreds of games on disc. I hate the idea that "online" means someone else can cancel your ownership. NOPE!
That's why this case still sets in the box new...

 

[Trekkie4]

Right? I don't get it either. How the hell do people do backups?

Backups, games, DVD movies, CD (digital audio) music, etc, etc... The list goes on & on!

I mean, it's not like I'm expecting a compact cassette player or a turntable, just your good ol' CD or DVD drive.

Edit
@Audioave10 My point exactly... It's as if everyone threw their CDs and DVDs out through the window & are now streaming/downloading everything online... *shrug*

 

[Greenslade]

Right? I don't get it either. How the hell do people do backups?

My backup s atr done on a HDD,s on a Seagatre Backup+Plus Hub 6tb.With four Partition,s.So LEX what should i do buy the ready to go Hp 432 ,or go with the other one *upgrade the cpu 10,50 plus more memery i don,t know how much that will cost but i would say anout 10 pounds so thats 65 for the PC Plus say 20 so that would be 85 all together as opossed to 50 , i will make an offer of 40 so i am guessing i would be able to get it for 45,Is it worth 30 pounds for the other one?Would it be that much better than the Athlon x 1800+?

 

[Trekkie4]

Plus I own hundreds of games on disc. I hate the idea that "online" means someone else can cancel your ownership. NOPE!

That's the idea... What most people don't seem to understand is that you don't legally "own" streamed/downloaded content. Where on the other hand, you /do/ own physical media, such as CDs and DVDs.

So, when you buy audio CD, DVD movie, cassette tape or even vinyl LP, it is yours ... and will be yours for as long as you own it. For a month, a year or even 30 years from now - doesn't matter.

 

[Greenslade]

I move a lot of game files with USB, but even with cutting the cable some years ago I might want to stick in an old movie to watch. I don't hardly use my TV anymore.
Plus I own hundreds of games on disc. I hate the idea that "online" means someone else can cancel your ownership. NOPE!
That's why this case still sets in the box new...

I don,t own or want a TV , and have not had one for for over 30 years.I watch you tube and DVD,s on my 27 inch Imac thats big enough for me plus it os a loverly screen. I have about 80 PC games on Discs I am with you on that online stuff ,i like Physical
stuff like vinyl records you can,t beat them.

That's the idea... What most people don't seem to understand is that you don't legally "own" streamed/downloaded content. Where on the other hand, you /do/ own physical media, such as CDs and DVDs.

So, when you buy audio CD, DVD movie, cassette tape or even vinyl LP, it is yours ... and will be yours for as long as you own it. For a month, a year or even 30 years from now - doesn't matter.

You can,t beat vinyl records I have not had cassettes for years i don,t miss them ,no love for them at all.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You can,t beat vinyl records I have not had cassettes for years i don,t miss them ,no love for them at all.

I'm completely the opposite. I miss tapes and never liked vinyl.

 

[Greenslade]

I'm completely the opposite. I miss tapes and never liked vinyl.

Wow you must be the only person who has never liked vinyl I have only bought lp.sApart from the odd single here and there .