TPU's WCG/BOINC Team

[phill]

Hey @manofthem

I hope you're doing well and ok??

I see your still putting up some great numbers, which system did you have to retire??

Things not going too badly this side of the pond, I've got all of my crunchers on at the moment, I'm just testing the water to see how much it costs me to run them and to see what sort of numbers they put out with them all on So far, I'm kinda impressed Got some data to put up in the 'How efficient is your cruncher' in a mo, so I hope that doesn't bore people to sleep!!

 

[manofthem]

Hey @manofthem

I hope you're doing well and ok??

I see your still putting up some great numbers, which system did you have to retire??

Everything is going well enough, just super busy tired, family, blah blah... Same old same old, 5oo many real life things keeping me occupied.

Crunch wise, I shut off the 4790; still crunching on the 4770k and the 1600x. I haven't been paying attention to my output other than checking to make sure they're running occasionally. But today, I looked at the pcs and got the sense that the 1600x is under performing, averaging only about 7k, which is almost what my 4770k is averaging.

Maybe it has to do with Ryzen running MIP but not too sure. I changed it to a different project so I'll check in on it after a week when the queued work is done and it has a few days to work through some new stuff.

Things not going too badly this side of the pond, I've got all of my crunchers on at the moment, I'm just testing the water to see how much it costs me to run them and to see what sort of numbers they put out with them all on So far, I'm kinda impressed Got some data to put up in the 'How efficient is your cruncher' in a mo, so I hope that doesn't bore people to sleep!!

That's excellent. I love seeing people rigs, power usage, output, and how they all jive together.

On a different note @phill, it's awesome how you've been rocking these threads and keeping them going, updated, interactive. Good job!

 

[thebluebumblebee]

the 1600x is under performing

What OS?

On a different note @phill, it's awesome how you've been rocking these threads and keeping them going, updated, interactive. Good job!

Hip Hip

 

[manofthem]

What OS?

Hip Hip

Hey bbb, nice to be chatting with you again. Windows 10 still. Never brave enough to have dabbled into Linux.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Ryzen does not like MIP, especially on Linus.

Never brave enough to have dabbled into Linux.

Pick up a spare HDD, like a laptop drive and experiment on that. Newegg sells refurbished drives cheap as well.

But I also understand how busy your life is.

 

[manofthem]

Ryzen does not like MIP, especially on Linus.

Pick up a spare HDD, like a laptop drive and experiment on that. Newegg sells refurbished drives cheap as well.

But I also understand how busy your life is.

I actually have a spare drive around here somewhere, just need to locate it; I think I have that ssd that was with the rig that got out down.

I've been saying this for years and never got around to it, and I doubt I'll be doing it immediately...but I may down the road.


Now I recall you alwsys being up to date with what projects run well on which systems. May I ask, which projects do well with Ryzen/windows?

I wanted to work in MIP to get my 10 yr badge but the low ppd really got me down hearted enough to want to try a different project. Will be running SCC for a bit after the MIP clears out.



Edit:
Side note for Ryzen and MIP that caught my attention. BOINC shows it running 12 tasks, task manager shows cpu usage at 100%, but my cpu temp is a full 11-12*c cooler than it used to be when it was averaging much better ppd. Used to crunch at 53, not averaging 41-42*. Hmm, weird.

 

[phill]

Everything is going well enough, just super busy tired, family, blah blah... Same old same old, 5oo many real life things keeping me occupied.

Crunch wise, I shut off the 4790; still crunching on the 4770k and the 1600x. I haven't been paying attention to my output other than checking to make sure they're running occasionally. But today, I looked at the pcs and got the sense that the 1600x is under performing, averaging only about 7k, which is almost what my 4770k is averaging.

Maybe it has to do with Ryzen running MIP but not too sure. I changed it to a different project so I'll check in on it after a week when the queued work is done and it has a few days to work through some new stuff.

That's excellent. I love seeing people rigs, power usage, output, and how they all jive together.

On a different note @phill, it's awesome how you've been rocking these threads and keeping them going, updated, interactive. Good job!

I was nearly about tempted in buying a couple 1700X's for my girl friend and daughter, but when I looked at pulling the plug, it said only one per customer and it was on pre order, so I guess I'll be waiting on the newer 2700 or 2700X.. We'll see It would be nice to retire some of my more older crunchers really, I think the amount of power they pull for what they produce is a little more than I'd hope/like but that said, it was a lot cheaper to run them than to buy all new shiny hardware I wish I could...

I believe I could run different projects to what I'm running currently and I'd have a better score than what I'm getting currently, but I think it's been doing pretty well

It's a pleasure to be part of such an amazing community so it's my pleasure to help out First few days I needed a bit more time to do the reporting bits, but now it's all done in 5 minutes, so I don't mind at all I just wish we had some more users to come and help get us into the top ten of the daily list If I'm missing things out that others do, please let me know!! I do miss seeing the pictures in some of the threads, so I might need some help there
There was something else that was brought to my attention, I'll get that typed up when I get home and have a giggle when I post it

 

[thebluebumblebee]

May I ask, which projects do well with Ryzen/windows?
I wanted to work in MIP to get my 10 yr badge but the low ppd really got me down hearted enough to want to try a different project. Will be running SCC for a bit after the MIP clears out.

Not sure, but I believe that SCC is one of the better ones for W10/Ryzen. Fun fact: I've never used anything but Linux on my Ryzen!

If you had 3 Ryzen 1700/2700 setups, I believe it might be as fast or faster.. But that's not too bad from a single CPU but I was expecting a little more if I'm honest... 1700X was averaging about 20 to 25k a day, so I'd have hoped to have seen 80k to 100k Not sure if the price of one system would be cheaper than three systems mind... lol
Just realised it's running Windows so that might be why the performance is a little shall I say slower....

Thanks for pointing out the W10 fact. Getting 50K PPD on W10 does make one hope that there's 80K+ PPD in that chip when running it "properly".
*That same user has stats for a 1950X on W10 and got 50K+ with it.

If anyone is thinking about a TR system, I recommend that you do some poking around over at phoronix.com , especially A Look At The Windows 10 vs. Linux Performance On AMD Threadripper 2990WX. The important bits:

Long story short, the Linux performance in a majority of these CPU-focused benchmarks were running much faster on the AMD Threadripper 2990WX than Windows 10 Pro when tested with the same hardware in the same configuration. Then again, we usually see better performance with Linux over Windows on most hardware but not always to some of the extremes encountered. It will certainly be interesting to run more Windows vs. Linux tests on the 2990WX Threadripper platform moving forward.

What did also come as a bit of a surprise was the openSUSE Tumbleweed performance often being the front-runner. Intel's Clear Linux tends to always perform the best out-of-the-box even with most AMD platforms, but this time around the rolling-release Tumbleweed was really shining. Though it is worth noting that historically SUSE/openSUSE has always worked well on AMD hardware. SUSE and AMD have a long working relationship from SUSE developers often being responsible for the GCC optimizations/enablement of new AMD microarchitectues, AMD originally funding SUSE to develop the "RadeonHD" open-source AMD Linux graphics driver, SUSE having done the HSA/compute work on LibreOffice, and many other collaborative projects over the years.

This doesn't have a favorable rating, but from what I saw, most users are not understanding that the 2000 series will not work without a BIOS update.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...38450&cm_re=X370GT5-NF-_-13-138-450-_-Product

 

[HammerON]

Now that I have departed with the underwhelming AMD EPYC 7401P, I have been contemplating what I might purchase next for a cruncher. I have been thinking about a TR or TR 2; however, from these two examples I am not that impressed. They are both using Windows 10 instead of Linux and we do not know what projects they were/are crunching on, but the low PPD compared to my current i9 7980XE as well as almost on par with my current E5-2683 V3 CPU makes me really wonder if AMD CPU's (besides the Ryzen CPUs) are just not that competitive crunching wise compared to Intel's HDET/Xeon CPUs.

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4052002/lastDays

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4894774/lastDays

If anyone has other examples of the 1950X or 2990WX, please post the links.

Thanks!!!

 

[Norton]

A pair of 1700 w/B350 boards would get you near 50k ppd for a reasonable ppd/$

 

[Arjai]

Let's do some math.
17,850,961,157.69/49502=360,610.90 credits per Linux box

8,850,003,590.66/47698=185,542.45 credits per Win7 x64

8,319,001,291.15/12938=642,989.72 credits per Win10 Pro x64

My guess is, there are more modern CPU's running Win10 pro than are running Linux.

3,770,399,473.71/8019=470,183.25 CP Win10 x64

7955803096.02/12964=626,737.29 Win7 pro x64

2,162,636,998.76/4193=515,773.19 CP OSX 17.7.0

OSX, if I am correct, is Linux based. No?

So, adding the Linux and OSX TC / Linux and OSX box numbers...
20,013,598,156.45/53695=372,727.41 Credits per box.

Linux appears to be way better than Win7 but, not win7 pro and 10 and 10 pro or OSX.

Not sure that this is a good analogy, since the Averages (in that chart) are such the the Linux group is best.

What I do know? Linux outperformed on my 13's and my i5. The Xeon x5670 has only been on Linux, because of that. My only Win cruncher is this lappytop, on Win8.1. I prefer it to linux as my everyday OS. Mostly since I am so used to windows. I am learning about Linux, and know just enough to set them up crunching. I will be digging in more, using Terminal, to lock the clocks on the Xeon, in the coming weeks.

 

[phill]

Lots of numbers there

I have found that Linux is a little better for the numbers but then I guess some work units might not work as well in Windows as they do with Linux?? Swings and roundabouts all the time But I suppose the best thing is that Linux is free where Windows you should pay for, but....

I have started to run everything now rather than just one of the work units..

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I don't recall that Linux was ever a detriment. I don't know if MIP on Ryzen is worse on Linux or Windows.

 

[Arjai]

MIP is the only WU I don't run on my Linux boxes. If I remember, they run OK but the points are lower per result. Not sure about that.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Great price on a CPU: i5-7500T for $100. I run an i3-3220T (2c4t), which is also a 35 watt TDP CPU and the whole rig uses ~44 watts. I also have an i5-6500T in a HP micro desktop that only pulls 38 watts. These low power Intel chips are great "set and forget"

 

[mstenholm]

Now that I have departed with the underwhelming AMD EPYC 7401P, I have been contemplating what I might purchase next for a cruncher. I have been thinking about a TR or TR 2; however, from these two examples I am not that impressed. They are both using Windows 10 instead of Linux and we do not know what projects they were/are crunching on, but the low PPD compared to my current i9 7980XE as well as almost on par with my current E5-2683 V3 CPU makes me really wonder if AMD CPU's (besides the Ryzen CPUs) are just not that competitive crunching wise compared to Intel's HDET/Xeon CPUs.

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4052002/lastDays

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/15/host/detail/4894774/lastDays

If anyone has other examples of the 1950X or 2990WX, please post the links.

Thanks!!!

W2990WX on WIn10 50k PPD W2990WX

 

[thebluebumblebee]

And now @cdawall has a couple of i7-6700’s for $150. Same 35 watt rating as the i5-7500T above but with 8 threads. I’m mobile, so not comfortable with linking, but look in BST

 

[cdawall]

If you want one for WCG let me know I will kick the price down. I have more than two as well if someone needs a few...

 

[phill]

If only I lived in the USA!! Very decent CPUs.. Currently have a E3-1246 V3 in my Z97 rig.. Not too bad

 

[Arjai]

Finally got some TIM. Went to Best Buy in Rosedale. What a PITA, the bus has to go past the State Fair grounds...Took forever to get there and the bus was stuffed overfull. I get there, after a half mile walk from the Transit station, and they have only ONE kind of "Thermal Compound", 1.

It's called "Insignia". That's it. Never heard of the stuff and I am non-plussed that Best Buy has a selection of ONE! Had to get it though, hope it works. I am going to google it and see what it is....Well, it is a Best Buy brand. I found some reviews and nobody seems to be complaining about it.

I am gonna use it to seat the HS on the HP8300, I need to diagnose what went wrong with it, about a 1 1/2 ago. It stopped crunching and I just set it aside, until now. I found out my 3770 won't work in the Dell Opti, but it is listed to work on the HP 8300 board. It has an i3 or an i5 in it now, I forget. I took the HS off to bring to work and blow out, it was nasty. Then discovered I was out of TIM.

So, off to work on it. Hopefully it is something simple, like a PSU, or maybe a memory stick...wish me luck!!

edit, it's an i3 2120

OK, it turns on. Then gives me a Beep and displays an error message 161-Real-Time Clock Power Loss.

I have now replaced the MB battery twice. With old batteries that might be dead, also. I tried to enter a MEBX setup menu but, it just hangs.

I cannot get into bios at this point, the error code precludes it. I am unsure what a MEBX setup menu is. I am also unsure if either of the batteries I found are any good.

It says to press escape for the Startup menu but, it does nothing, when I press it.

From this screen, I can make it say, " Entering MEBX setup menu" or, hit F1 and boot...Just cycles off and then beeps and this message...

OK, weird, it just asked me for a setup password. I entered "admin" but it did not work. ESC'ed out and it re-booted to the same beep and screen

 

[Caring1]

OK, it turns on. Then gives me a Beep and displays an error message 161-Real-Time Clock Power Loss.

I have now replaced the MB battery twice. With old batteries that might be dead, also. I tried to enter a MEBX setup menu but, it just hangs.

I cannot get into bios at this point, the error code precludes it. I am unsure what a MEBX setup menu is. I am also unsure if either of the batteries I found are any good.

RTC error is the CR 2032 CMOS Battery.
And for the MEBx message:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...000005897/boards-and-kits/desktop-boards.html

 

[Arjai]

Thanks, I replaced the battery, again, from a newer board. Now, it won't spin the fans. I heard a slight tick, from the PSU. I think that has been the issue from the start, and the batteries were just old.

It may restart tomorrow, I will try, but I am also going to find a proper sized cheap PSU for it. I found an adapter online and it is in the office, at my apt building. I cannot get it out until Wed. morning. I have to leave for work Tue. before they open and will return after they have closed.

 

[phill]

I'm hoping to get these two crunching away at some point....

So, here's hoping

 

[Arjai]

I'm hoping you do, as well! @phill

I am in the process of completing the boxes I have. I am working on the HP 8300, just bought a PSU and adapter cables for it. I also have a 3770 for it once the thing is stable. Then, I have an AMD A10 APU build, I need to finish. Just got a deal from @cdawall on a PowerColor 580 for it!!

Once that is all settled, I will set my sights on a ddr4 box with a Zen sump'tin. It will be piecemeal, since I don't have such a good paying job, yet, but I am planning a mid summer completion (next year). We'll see how it goes. If I can swing it, I might be able to use some school money to help buy parts for that build.

Then, I might sell off some of this, focus on fewer boxes, more cores per box.

Or, in other words, plug in fewer power cords but, more cores per power cord!

All for the love of WCG, and THIS Team, of course!!

 

[Arjai]

Oops, I went to pick up some stuff in the office. No adapter cables for the 8300...checked Amazon and, I hadn't actually bought them!! So, they will be here Friday, PSU will be here tomorrow.

Sometimes it feels like I have already lost my mind!