trade a 1055t for a i7 860?

[LordJummy]

The original post was asking if the 860 was a good deal or not. It is a good deal, to answer your question.

Will it make a visible difference in games? No. Benchmarks? Maybe, but not much.

Good deal? yes

 

[TheMailMan78]

look i`m a gamer and i want to play with as many fps as i can get!!

No its a not a good deal for gaming.

 

[cadaveca]

I don't think it's going to make much of a difference at all with gaming.

Unfortunately, it does. Quite a large difference, I might add. It's shocking, really

Exactly. Thats all I am saying. Use the money for a better GPU.

I'd not agree here.

No its a not a good deal for gaming.

Sure it is, but you've never run Intel, so you'd have no idea just how large of a difference there really is.


This was discussed fairly extensively on TS, many months ago, when I made the change. Quite a few apps do much better on Intel, and as newer titles hit, it seems even more important. In specific laods, Thuban @ 3.3 GHz is less than half the speed of SandyBridge, and a bit more like 2/3rds of 1156.

 

[LordJummy]

Sure it is, but you've never run Intel, so you'd have no idea just how large of a difference there really is.

Exactly what I was typing. Well said.

 

[erocker]

Unfortunately, it does. Quite a large difference, I might add. It's shocking, really

I really haven't seen the proof to back that up... With a single GPU anyway.

 

[TheMailMan78]

This was discussed fairly extensively on TS, many months ago, when I made the change. Quite a few apps do much better on Intel, and as newer titles hit, it seems even more important. In specific laods, Thuban @ 3.3 GHz is less than half the speed of SandyBridge, and a bit more like 2/3rds of 1156.

What you are seeing is a placebo effect. He will MAYBE get 10 fps more at higher resolutions with the Intel. Not worth 60 euros. Crossfire is a different story.

Exactly what I was typing. Well said.

My best friend runs an i7. I have used it a great deal. My FPS tears him a new one due to my GPU. I love how people assume everything off of the system specs on the side of the forum.

 

[cadaveca]

I really haven't seen the proof to back that up... With a single GPU anyway.

F1 2010. Damn game recommends LOW settings on my Thuban rig, gets ULTRA on SB. it's comical.

Not every game matters, but there's quite a few that do show a signifigant difference. Keep in mind I review using a single GPU.

What you are seeing is a placebo effect. He will MAYBE get 10 fps more at higher resolutions with the Intel. Not worth 60 euros. Crossfire is a different story.

I wish. I dropped $200 on this 1100T, because I needed it for reviews. What a waste of cash...

10 FPS, if it pushes you over 60FPS, from just under, is, to me, worth $60, for sure. Maybe not $60 of YOUR dollars, but my wallet would have no problem with that.


Numbers will be in an upcoming review.

 

[LordJummy]

f1 2010. Damn game recommends low settings on my thuban rig, gets ultra on sb. It's comical.


Not every game matters, but there's quite a few that do such a signifigant difference.

g t a i v

 

[cadaveca]

Well, basically anything using deffered rendering, really.

 

[TheMailMan78]

F1 2010. Damn game recommends LOW settings on my Thuban rig, gets ULTRA on SB. it's comical.

Not every game matters, but there's quite a few that do show a signifigant difference. Keep in mind I review using a single GPU.



I wish. I dropped $200 on this 1100T, because I needed it for reviews. What a waste of cash...

10 FPS, if it pushes you over 60FPS, from just under, is, to me, worth $60, for sure. Maybe not $60 of YOUR dollars, but my wallet would have no problem with that.


Numbers will be in an upcoming review.

You are also running crossfire....which the OP is not. Again the CPU he has is fine. He needs a better GPU. He will see a much larger performance increase with a GPU upgrade then a trade over to Intel.

 

[cadaveca]

You are also running crossfire....which the OP is not. Again the CPU he has is fine. He needs a better GPU. He will see a much larger performance increase with a GPU upgrade then a trade over to Intel.

No, I am talking in my rewiew rig(s). Single 6950.


On the GPU front, you are most likely right, if he's running a 5770. With a 5770 there would be very little difference, sure, but that's not what he's got a potential deal for.

 

[LordJummy]

You are also running crossfire....which the OP is not. Again the CPU he has is fine. He needs a better GPU. He will see a much larger performance increase with a GPU upgrade then a trade over to Intel.

This thread isn't about a GPU upgrade man. You don't seem to understand that though. He is planning on upgrading his GPU already. He just wanted to know if it's a good deal for $60 to upgrade. The answer is YES.

 

[Dopamin3]

In the majority of games a Thuban will suffice, but single threaded performance is nowhere close to i7 chips. So if a game is poorly optimized and isn't multithreaded, you will take noticeable FPS hits. Take for example Starcraft II. Keep in mind it only utilizes two cores so the 6 core Phenom II will perform equal to the quad core or even dual core.

With the 860 you will get higher FPS with less large dips. Again Thuban is usually fine for gaming, but the 860 is better in pretty much all cases of gaming(but most of the time you're already getting way over 60 FPS anyway). In very few titles you will get big differences like SC2.

The trade is really up to you. It's not a bad deal so consider it, but either way you're on a pretty good platform.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No, I am talking in my rewiew rig(s). Single 6950.


On the GPU front, you are most likely right, if he's running a 5770. With a 5770 there would be very little difference, sure, but that's not what he's got a potential deal for.

This thread isn't about a GPU upgrade man. You don't seem to understand that though. He is planning on upgrading his GPU already. He just wanted to know if it's a good deal for $60 to upgrade. The answer is YES.

What you don't understand is he already said he could take that extra 60 euros and upgrade his potential GPU options. So no ITS NOT A GOOD DEAL to spend 60 on the CPU because that extra 60 euros will get him more FPS in gaming then the CPU will.

then i`ll think i will save the 60 euro`s for a better videocard...

 

[LordJummy]

/yawn, /unscubscribe

 

[TheMailMan78]

/yawn, /unscubscribe

Sucks when I'm right huh?

 

[cadaveca]

Sucks when I'm right huh?

Not really. I still don't agree. Truly, I think I am considering much more of this than you are. He'll probably save on power alone running Intel. With that factored in, it's still a very good option, to me.

Would be much better to spend that cash on a GPU, or SB, for sure. a 6950 would be a SUBSTANTIAL performance increase, for sure, and much more than a CPU would bring, 100%.

If it is a question of one, or the other, then sure, you are right. Noone should game on a 5770!

 

[TheMailMan78]

Not really. I still don't agree. Truly, I think I am considering much more of this than you are. He'll probably save on power alone running Intel. With that factored in, it's still a very good option, to me.

Would be much better to spend that cash on a GPU, or SB, for sure. a 6950 would be a SUBSTANTIAL performance increase, for sure, and much more than a CPU would bring, 100%.

If it is a question of one, or the other, then sure, you are right. Noone should game on a 5770!

Of course you don't agree. Your Dave. If you agreed with me I would board up my windows and prepare for the zombie apocalypse.

My comment was more to LordJummy.

 

[HUSKIE]

:d

 

[erocker]

F1 2010. Damn game recommends LOW settings on my Thuban rig, gets ULTRA on SB. it's comical.

There must of been something wrong with your config. Seriously, that isn't right.

 

[cadaveca]

There must of been something wrong with your config. Seriously, that isn't right.

Can't figure it out, TBH. The difference between SB and Thuban in F1 2010 @ Ultra is really scary...I never figured it for that much. But memory performance is enough to explain the deficit. SB @ ultra, 8xAA, I get abt 65FPS avg, Thuban with HIGH, 8xAA, 55FPS avg. The numbers are right, the recommendation in-game isn't.

All other apps behave as they should. Of course, I have my benches from before I moved to Intel to verify numbers.


Civ5, no difference. 3DM11, minor difference. SPI32M...OMG.

 

[gifted1]

what i had forgotten to mention is that the money for the upgrade is a little bit of the money i`ve reserved for the gpu upgrade so i think i`ll wont do it just because i think upgrading to a 6950 gives me more fps then switching to the i7 without one and offcourse noone should game on a 5770 but when your gtx460 HAWK is gone for repairs, believe me i was glad that a guy sold me that 5770 for 40 euros so at least i could play my games!!!! wich are bbc2(vietnam),crysis2,black opps, and cs-source.

 

[cadaveca]

Yeah, if it's money for your GPU, then Mailman IS correct, the GPU will give more FPS overall.

Better board up your doors and Windows, MM.

 

[Dopamin3]

Can't figure it out, TBH. The difference between SB and Thuban in F1 2010 @ Ultra is really scary...I never figured it for that much. But memory performance is enough to explain the deficit. SB @ ultra, 8xAA, I get abt 65FPS avg, Thuban with HIGH, 8xAA, 55FPS avg. The numbers are right, the recommendation in-game isn't.

All other apps behave as they should. Of course, I have my benches from before I moved to Intel to verify numbers.


Civ5, no difference. 3DM11, minor difference. SPI32M...OMG.

Memory performance may help a little bit, but really it's just that the CPU architecture is much, much faster on Sandy Bridge than Phenom II. Phenom II is about on par/slower than Core2Quad CPUs clock for clock like the Q9550. Since Core2Quad, Intel has released Nehalem, Lynnfield, and Sandy Bridge, all which take single threaded performance to an extreme. Since AMDs have 6 real cores, sometimes they will beat out the Intel variants (4 core with HT for 8 threads) in stuff that is 100% multithreaded like Cinebench.

F1 2010 is either a) terribly coded or b) not multithreaded or c) a combination of the two. F1 2010 would be a game similar to what I'm talking about in my last post in this thread. The vast majority of games run fine on Phenom II, but every now and then you get something that comes along that needs a faster CPU.

 

[erocker]

Can't figure it out, TBH. The difference between SB and Thuban in F1 2010 @ Ultra is really scary...I never figured it for that much. But memory performance is enough to explain the deficit. SB @ ultra, 8xAA, I get abt 65FPS avg, Thuban with HIGH, 8xAA, 55FPS avg. The numbers are right, the recommendation in-game isn't.

All other apps behave as they should. Of course, I have my benches from before I moved to Intel to verify numbers.


Civ5, no difference. 3DM11, minor difference. SPI32M...OMG.

You're numbers are way off for some reason. Besides, we really aren't talking about Sandy Bridge.