Trying to understand Ryzen 3000 series boost speed variations

[lorry]

sorry, was more of a joke.
progs that can see gpu sensor info usually arent able to control fans,
the ones that can, dont see the gpu info, even paid ones.

I can set my own curve, or use the auto one using Aorus Engine, that is tied to the GPU temp

 

[Waldorf]

i dont really need "fan" but pump (rpm) control, and running a FTW ICX version, is the real prob (+10 sensors).
e.g. fan #1 info reported in SW, is from the smaller vrm/vram fan (actual fan #2), and not the rad (actual fan #1
the problem is that no software sees the other fans, and the vrm fan is controlled thru the card, not MB port (that i could use for pump control)

never had probs controlling any air cooled cards thru afterburner...

 

[lorry]

i dont really need "fan" but pump (rpm) control, and running a FTW ICX version, is the real prob (+10 sensors).
e.g. fan #1 info reported in SW, is from the smaller vrm/vram fan (actual fan #2), and not the rad (actual fan #1
the problem is that no software sees the other fans, and the vrm fan is controlled thru the card, not MB port (that i could use for pump control)

never had probs controlling any air cooled cards thru afterburner...

Has to be an easy enough solution, you Cannot be the Only person ever to have come across this surely?

 

[Waldorf]

others dont care about the pump whine (case fans are louder/they dont think its noisy)
and everyone else either swapped back to air cooler or a block integrated into a loop (which doesnt use the noisy asetek pump).

so far i got it that its not overly annoying on idle/low load and gets proper rpm under load that the card doesnt get past 60C,
and really will only impact benches, as temps need to be below 54C (nv starts to throttle boost clocks) to keep the highest clock the chip can reach.

 

[lorry]

others dont care about the pump whine (case fans are louder/they dont think its noisy)
and everyone else either swapped back to air cooler or a block integrated into a loop (which doesnt use the noisy asetek pump).

so far i got it that its not overly annoying on idle/low load and gets proper rpm under load that the card doesnt get past 60C,
and really will only impact benches, as temps need to be below 54C (nv starts to throttle boost clocks) to keep the highest clock the chip can reach.

swap the noisy pump out?

 

[Waldorf]

there are no real options. unless i swap for a block (would also require another rad),
or get something like the eiswolf, all cards with aio LC and all aftermarket gpu aio's (beside ek/alphacool)
are based on the same asetek pump, possible loss of warranty as well.
and the added cost would drop me down to a 2070(S), not something i want either.

 

[lorry]

Interesting lil bit of useless information, enabling Hyper-V (virtual machine) appears to lower my clocks speed.
I was looking into various cloning and backup software and came across Macrium Reflect 7. It can use virtual machine so that you can test that your cloned drives work with having to reboot and change the boot order. Quite handy I thought, saves time rebooting etc, and the rest of the software looks to get good reviews. During its setup it has an option to use virtual machine.
I decided to try it out in advance, so installed Hyper-V, very easy, just a simple tick box within 'Turn Windows features on/off'
After rebooting and Hyper-V installed and working, I took a look at HWinfo to see if it had used much memory, only to find that my clock speed had been reduced to around 99. I rebooted quite a few times, and the clock speed was between 98.9 - 99.2, Never the 100 as previously.

There is a small exe file that someone has created to toggle it enabled or disable but I've not as yet tried it out.

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[Waldorf]

why install hyper V?
software usually only need the stuff enabled in bios (SVM/IOMMU etc).

 

[lorry]

Didn't you read what I said @Fry178 ?
Macrium Reflect 7 uses it

 

[tabascosauz]

I think I've had C-state residency reporting on my XPS 13 9370 for a few HWInfo versions now. It's kinda nice to have that data on hand for a i7-8550U (Kaby-R), since I've been undervolting and underclocking extensively in Throttlestop to get my temps under control in that ultrabook (used to hit 96c+ regularly). For desktop though, I dunno. If you've seen the sensors available to HWInfo for Intel chips as old as Haswell, it'll quickly become apparent how cagey AMD has been regarding firmware-level transparency, especially given how advanced Matisse is as a platform on every front.

I guess the Ryzen 4000 mobile chips are imminent, so author probably wanted to roll out the monitoring capabilities to be ready for their launch. What better to test on than the already released Matisse desktop chips.

 

[lorry]

I think I've had C-state residency reporting on my XPS 13 9370 for a few HWInfo versions now. It's kinda nice to have that data on hand for a i7-8550U (Kaby-R), since I've been undervolting and underclocking extensively in Throttlestop to get my temps under control in that ultrabook (used to hit 96c+ regularly). For desktop though, I dunno. If you've seen the sensors available to HWInfo for Intel chips as old as Haswell, it'll quickly become apparent how cagey AMD has been regarding firmware-level transparency, especially given how advanced Matisse is as a platform on every front.

I guess the Ryzen 4000 mobile chips are imminent, so author probably wanted to roll out the monitoring capabilities to be ready for their launch. What better to test on than the already released Matisse desktop chips.

Maybe it needed those being reported for something else to be shown?
That's a stab in the dark at best there by me BTW

 

[lorry]

oh


"I've been thinking of retiring."

 

[tabascosauz]

"I've been thinking of retiring."

Yeah, I've been listening to the stream. It's...really strange to see him like this.

I haven't been the most devout follower of LTT since 2014/15; for a couple of years, I took a break from PC stuff and I thought most of LTT content throughout the years was generally pretty surface-level stuff. Been watching a bit more recently.

Unfortunately, I know too well a lot of what he's describing and what it feels like. It's not pretty, and not something that people really listen to (as much as they want to paint themselves as open and accepting of anything in this time). It sounds like Linus might need time, and more than just a little bit of it, to give himself the care and support he needs and deserves.

 

[lorry]

Yeah, I've been listening to the stream. It's...really strange to see him like this.

I haven't been the most devout follower of LTT since 2014/15; for a couple of years, I took a break from PC stuff and I thought most of LTT content throughout the years was generally pretty surface-level stuff. Been watching a bit more recently.

Unfortunately, I know too well a lot of what he's describing and what it feels like. It's not pretty, and not something that people really listen to (as much as they want to paint themselves as open and accepting of anything in this time). It sounds like Linus might need time, and more than just a little bit of it, to give himself the care and support he needs and deserves.

I've only heard the start of this so I need to have a good listen of it :sad:

erm

" In reality, it's actually an RTX 2060 that has a lot more performance in professional applications like Blender, SolidWorks, 3DSMax, Maya, CATIA, Siemens NX, and more. If you're looking for one of the best budget workstation video cards, this may be the new winner. "

"We discovered something that slipped past NVIDIA and EVGA alike: The RTX 2060 KO performs 26% to 47% better than a normal 2060 in some applications. "

Yeah, I've been listening to the stream. It's...really strange to see him like this.

I haven't been the most devout follower of LTT since 2014/15; for a couple of years, I took a break from PC stuff and I thought most of LTT content throughout the years was generally pretty surface-level stuff. Been watching a bit more recently.

Unfortunately, I know too well a lot of what he's describing and what it feels like. It's not pretty, and not something that people really listen to (as much as they want to paint themselves as open and accepting of anything in this time). It sounds like Linus might need time, and more than just a little bit of it, to give himself the care and support he needs and deserves.

I have done various amounts of work in mental health areas with teenagers throughout my life. I also have several friends with mental health issues, bi-polar, Asperger's, that sort of thing.
To me he sounds close to what is generally known as a 'breakdown' for whatever reason or reasons.

Basically he needs help, but until he Wants help, that won't make a blind bit of difference.

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[lorry]

Well I've got the case and if looks cavernous to me! The Alphacool 360 arrives tomorrow.
Need to check a few things, like the PSU shroud from the Coolermaster H500M Might get reused in it as the View 71 doesn't have one, and rather than the hassle of measuring up, bending aluminium etc I will see if the present one could be utilised instead. I will also need to look into how the View 71 PCI card slots are configured, as I would like to reuse the Coolermaster vertical GPU mount if at all possible - basically need to see if the mounting holes are the same And if they are strong enough on their own once the middle bar is removed, as the CM case just has empty space once the covers are removed.

This is the View 71 stripped down


The Coolermaster H500M

 

[Waldorf]

Looks cool, and lots of space (lately im more into cube cases, for bigger than midi builds)
Good luck with the build.


Swapping for a different case myself so i can mount the rad on the side.
want to see how much it helps with temps when using an air cooled gpu (the 2080 was defective and returned)...

 

[lorry]

I don't know of many cases that allow for side mounted rads, Lian Li of course, and they are milking the O11 for all that they can (and why not). This new case does although it then somewhat impacts what you can realistically easily fit in the case I think, as you are limited in what, if any, fans you can have in the front.

I like the concept of cube cases but feel that they bring more design problems to the table than they solve, if we are talking the same thing.

 

[Waldorf]

And one more that i could find (outside some Tt cubes with double the footprint),
is the S300.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0835RYQ8P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Can use three 140 front, rad with two 120 on the side, two 140 on top,
120/140 on rear, depending on gpu cooler (air/water), and probably will put two 120s on the bottom grills

The cubes are really nice when you work on the rig a lot, swapping parts and/or tweaking layout/airflow etc, or space for LC and such.

 

[lorry]

Out of interest which is considered better, and why please, for soft tubing for water cooling, 13/10 or 16/10?

 

[Waldorf]

depends usually on things like do you need to go "thru" the case (most of the time limited openings),
how many rads/blocks/pumps are you using, and related to flow/pressure.

but what numbers do you relate to? mm or fraction? material thickness or tubing overall?
usually tubing states the inner/outer diameter of it ..

 

[lorry]

Just been doing some quick research.
The Alphacool AIO came it's Tiny isn't it! I was expecting the block And the rad to be a lot bigger, even though I know their dimensions heh.

On a different note, I am picking up an EK Water Blocks Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM D-RGB Pump Reservoir - Plexi at a ridiculously cheap price! A mate has a spare one, just needs a part as that bit was damaged in transit, but he has even sourced that cheap as well, heh.

Means that with the Alphacool radiator that's here already, all I will need are fittings, tubing and a block, hence my posting about tubing size on a new thread

Soft tubing size

I'm looking to learn more about open loop water cooling with soft tubing. I have the chance of getting a D5 pump combo, have an alphacool 360 T30 rad and wondered which is better suited, 13/10 or 16/10, and why please. The case is a View 71 and AMD 3900x. I know that the thicker walls are...

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[Waldorf]

i went with the largest tubing on my last loop, as i wanted higher flow/less pressure, but i didnt have a radiator to worry about, so..
not sure what would be best with your rads/pump etc, might wanna start a different thread.

in preparation for (possibly) switching back to air cooled card, i swapped the case which mounts the cpu rad on the side,
allowing better airflow (case/gpu)..

 

[lorry]

i went with the largest tubing on my last loop, as i wanted higher flow/less pressure, but i didnt have a radiator to worry about, so..
not sure what would be best with your rads/pump etc, might wanna start a different thread.

in preparation for (possibly) switching back to air cooled card, i swapped the case which mounts the cpu rad on the side,
allowing better airflow (case/gpu)..

? I have started another thread, I said

Soft tubing size

I'm looking to learn more about open loop water cooling with soft tubing. I have the chance of getting a D5 pump combo, have an alphacool 360 T30 rad and wondered which is better suited, 13/10 or 16/10, and why please. The case is a View 71 and AMD 3900x. I know that the thicker walls are...

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Why are you going back to an air cooled GPU? Thought water cooled gave better temps?

 

[Waldorf]

Lol, sorry, only glanced over your post, had just finished the transplant.

The one I had was broken, and i still wasnt happy with pump noise anyway.
Found a Super, for basically 40$ more than i paid for the LC 2080.


One of the the setups i never had, was top/rear only case fans (no rad etc), rad still exhausting/dumping heat outside the case, possibly additional air intake on bottom, and 140s on all case openings.

This is virtually the best possible setup temp wise, to run an air cooled gpu.
And with pwm fans, can now get higher max air flow, still able to throttle fans down to "inaudible".
For now, the gtx570 with 40% min fan rpm is getting in the way of fine tuning case fans

 

[lorry]

Just out of interest @Fry178 does it state anywhere the size of the fittings on the rad of the Alphacool rad?

It says here that the tubing in the Alphacool 360 is 11/8, so presumably the fittings on their rad are G1/4 to 11/8 ?

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"Diameter: 11/8 mm"

So would these fit and be the fittings that are needed (if I was going for 16/10)

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