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No matter what the arguments are I can't help but think that this was done with the exclusive intention of driving Huawei out of business for the benefit of some of them competitors. After all they have seen one of the most rapid growths in the last 2-3 years that no one else could match, that must have annoyed one or two companies. Shitty anti-competitive practices are all alive and well it seems.

That's just collateral really. Consider it bonus. We don't benefit a whole lot from Huawei apart from perhaps a little discount on a phone.
 
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The recent fleet movements towards Iran
I'm not sure where the US is going with Iran but any war involving that country will be worse than Iraq+Afghanistan combined. Secondly ~ how can the US let murderous SA spread their Wahhabi ideology & then go after Iran, who btw kept their part of the bargain with the previous admin! For all their mistakes in this century, this will Trump them all :rolleyes:
 
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I'm not sure where the US is going with Iran but any war involving that country will be worse than Iraq+Afghanistan combined. Secondly ~ how can the US let murderous SA spread their Wahhabi ideology & then go after Iran, who btw kept their part of the bargain with the previous admin!

You can look towards John Bolton for answers. The man has a nice little history, its Powell v2. The man looks like a rat, talks like a rat, and acts like one.
 

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No matter what the arguments are I can't help but think that this was done with the exclusive intention of driving Huawei out of business for the benefit of some of them competitors. After all they have seen one of the most rapid growths in the last 2-3 years that no one else could match, that must have annoyed one or two companies. Shitty anti-competitive practices are all alive and well it seems.
The company that gains the most from this is ZTE.
 
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Just out of curiosity, the US has been going on about Huawei spying for China and whatnot for a long time now, but did they ever produce any solid evidence for the masses?
 

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As long as the CIA and MI5 can continue their covert surveillance and tech backdoors, we're all good. This isn't about security; it's about fear. The fear of losing power.
China will not fail. USA will not fail. The world will.
 
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"To date, the Trump administration has not put out specific evidence against Huawei in a U.S. court of law, or the public domain."

Translation: there is no evidence whatesoever, and we're doing this for reasons that have nothing to do with national security or anyone's well-being.
 
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China could just turn around and say they are no longer manufacturing or exporting China made goods to the US. There are a lot of tech companies that are basedin the US that have manufacturing plants in China because of cheaper labour and overheads.

If China pulls a move like this then it could be a tit for tat scenario
 

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Just don't buy Huawei and forget about it. :p


Without wireless radios and an operating system, what do they have left to sell? Look at Cuba and their 60s cars...this is pretty much what's going to happen to Huawei phones: stuck in time. Yup, they'll be bankrupted. And Trump isn't going to leap to their rescue like he did with ZTE.

USA is the largest economy. USA tech companies generally don't have access to China other than to manufacture stuff (which they are doing much less of because of tariffs).

Lmao, do you think huawei/china cannot develop its own, behave. Don't forget foxconn makes everything America sell, from iphones to xboxes and playstations. If America boycott china, who will make all this? American workers paid ten times what foxconn workers are, don't think so.
 

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China could just turn around and say they are no longer manufacturing or exporting China made goods to the US. There are a lot of tech companies that are basedin the US that have manufacturing plants in China because of cheaper labour and overheads.

If China pulls a move like this then it could be a tit for tat scenario

There are hundreds millions of Chinese people rely on those plants. If they lose their jobs, it will be a huge social uprising for Communist China. Chinese government simply cannot afford that scenario.

Anyway, Huawei got banned because it's backed by Chinese government. Their lesser compatriots, like Xiaomi and Oppo, who are independent companies, love this news. They will be more than happy to bite huge marketshare from Huawei.

Lmao, do you think huawei/china cannot develop its own, behave. Don't forget foxconn makes everything America sell, from iphones to xboxes and playstations. If America boycott china, who will make all this? American workers paid ten times what foxconn workers are, don't think so.
Cheaper labor in Vietnam, India, etc... will take care of that. In fact, big companies have already moved parts of their business out of China amid the Trade war.
 
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No, innovation today needs money & experience/track record just as much as anything else. Take Intel, AMD, IBM for instance. There is no other uarch or processor comparable to their most powerful chips, no amount of education will get you past that. Now even if you come up with such a hypothetical design will it still beat Intel @5nm when that other chip is being built on 14nm? Same goes for QC & their wireless solutions. At this point China's best bet is ARM & Huawei is betting big on that. This is also why mega corporations are virtual monopolies & indeed a bad thing, tangentially speaking.
What you're describing is the effect of having a large library of tech patents, not experience or a track record of innovation. Patents can be bought - as most patents held by current large tech corporations are (through mergers and acquisitions). There is no other microarchitecture that can compete with X86 because developing a microarchitecture is very complex, yes, but also because the technology is extremely well guarded and licences are only awarded to a handful of actors (who then lock themselves into keeping them by innovating on top of the licence and licencing their innovations back). The thing is, turnover within these companies is enormous, and the engineers and other people involved are replaceable to a large degree. Of course there's the difficulty of finding equally qualified replacements (an issue with any highly specialized field), but given access to information and education, it's possible - just a bit slow. Availability of knowledge is the deciding factor, then comes money (which there certainly isn't a lack of in China), then comes specific people.

This is one of those events that remind us (and should remind you all) that we're living in a world of conflicting interests. Is this (also) about being on top of the food chain? Of course. The question you need to be asking yourself, is do you want to eat or be eaten. And entirely unrelated to your personal opinion, by living in a Western country, you're part of it and yes you will be on 'a side' of these conflicts.

Huawei was becoming far too influential for our own good and the 5G rollout was going to be a major vehicle for China to deploy mass surveillance outside of its own borders. Even the slightest chance of that happening should be a massive warning sign, and I'm glad to see it was, already over six years ago.

We can start worrying about our economy and innovation leadership and diplomacy after that. Make no mistake: China plays the game just like this and now experiences a major setback in their power creep.


Just a side note; this might even be bigger than just China. This might even be mostly about the US and geopolitical influence as a whole. The recent fleet movements towards Iran, the timing of these things is never coincidental, and already you can see this is a timing strategy that maximizes the impact and psychological effect. For Huawei, not only were they about to make the biggest deal in history, they were also the top smartphone company. If they'd been shot down three years earlier, the damage would've been minimal. But, we waited patiently for the opponent to yell 'All in!' to slam the door in its face.

Another important side note: Trump's term is coming to an end soon, and what better way than conflict to reinforce faith in your current POTUS.

Add all of those aspects up and you can see why the timing of this is so, so convenient.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your analysis, the main issue is that the foundations of this thinking is wrong (or, arguably, just really !#@%! dumb) even if world leaders tend to believe it. Fundamentally conflicting interests only exist if you believe nations are somehow able to exist entirely separately, which has never been true, and certainly isn't in our day. Countries are intertependent. Period. Sure, there are still some more powerful than others, and there is a serious lack of democratic agency in global politics (read: it's entirely nonexistent), but the ideological basis of viewing global politics as competition rather than cooperation is what causes garbage like this to happen. This is of course neither the US's nor China's fault alone, but rather a remnant of centuries-old nationalist thinking. Europe post-WWII is an excellent example of how changing this presumption can radically alter relations between countries with vastly different levels of influence, as the focus on interdependent trade relations and peaceful cooperation transformed the continent with the most frequent and large-scale wars over the past few centuries into the most peaceful continent. Ever. In the history of mankind. That's a staggering achievement, and current right-wing politicians attempting to undermine this because a few dubious actors are challenging the system is ... idiotic. Competition (in general, but especially as reflected in current global capitalism) inherently has more losers than winners. The issue is that the world doesn't work that way - if other people lose, the winners inevitably lose as well. Maybe not initially, and maybe subtly, but cooperation gains everyone, not just a few. And sure, this will mean that the most powerful, who would likely have "won", can see themselves as "losing" because they're not running away with more than everyone else. But that's a dangerous, damaging, detrimental and delusional idea in a globally interdependent world. And we can't stop living in one just because we don't like it - at least not without also abandoning the products of this world, such as global industry. I seriously doubt the average Trump voter would support him if they were shown that a necessary consequence of following his ideology to its end is regression in pretty much all metrics, from wealth to food availability to technology to everything else we have and use in our lives.

Tl;dr: isolationism as a response to growing powers challenging the established world order is about as logical as cutting off your leg to stop a broken toe from hurting.
 

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Just out of curiosity, the US has been going on about Huawei spying for China and whatnot for a long time now, but did they ever produce any solid evidence for the masses?

Doubtful we will get solid proof of it if it's true. Sometimes even telling people what they know will out their inside source of information and make them useless in the future.
 
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Anybody care to explain this sentence in the article?

Yeah, it means AMD isn't going to sell them processors or gpus. I imagine that they primarily use Intel for their servers, workstations and laptops but I am sure that they have systems that use AMD.
 

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Now maybe they can stop marketing them so aggresively. Huawei marketing is everywhere. And they are immensively popular.
 

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There are hundreds millions of Chinese people rely on those plants. If they lose their jobs, it will be a huge social uprising for Communist China. Chinese government simply cannot afford that scenario.

Anyway, Huawei got banned because it's backed by Chinese government. Their lesser compatriots, like Xiaomi and Oppo, who are independent companies, love this news. They will be more than happy to bite huge marketshare from Huawei.


Cheaper labor in Vietnam, India, etc... will take care of that. In fact, big companies have already moved parts of their business out of China amid the Trade war.

So they will get everything made by Foxconn in those country's how? There are enough other country's other than America buying the stuff Foxconn make to secure the workers jobs. Unless the American company's cancel their contracts with Foxconn, but that will not happen either, as they could not get the products made any where else. Also hundreds of millions is a bit of an exaggeration
 

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Wow the pitch forks and yokels are out in America. Considering Huawei buys $67 billion in components, it's pretty dumb. They will just save the money and develop their own.
Before you start slamming the U.S.., might want to do a bit of research, or even have been aware of current events for the last 8 months or so. See below.
Anyhow, this is more than just America,
As @R-T-B said. They are in hot water with Canada already, and under investigation in the EU as well.

“It’s not just the United States or Canada that are problems for Huawei. The European Union has started looking at serious proposals that would mean trouble for it. Concerns in particular about China’s National Intelligence Law have spurred the EU to weigh what may amount to a total de facto ban on Huawei technology within the Union.”


Translation: there is no evidence whatesoever, and we're doing this for reasons that have nothing to do with national security or anyone's well-being.
Translation for the Criminal Justice or Foreign Relations uninitiated: you don’t release evidence publicly until you have had a chance to prosecute in court of law or already take international action. How many world crises have happened in history that you EVER knew anything more than a tiny sliver of what happened behind the scenes? Sources are rarely revealed when the stakes are high.
 
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Before you start slamming the U.S.., might want to do a bit of research, or even have been aware of current events for the last 8 months or so. See below.

As @R-T-B said. They are in hot water with Canada already, and under investigation in the EU as well.

“It’s not just the United States or Canada that are problems for Huawei. The European Union has started looking at serious proposals that would mean trouble for it. Concerns in particular about China’s National Intelligence Law have spurred the EU to weigh what may amount to a total de facto ban on Huawei technology within the Union.”



Translation for the Criminal Justice or Foreign Relations uninitiated: you don’t release evidence publicly until you have had a chance to prosecute in court of law or already take international action. How many world crises have happened in history that you EVER knew anything more than a tiny sliver of what happened behind the scenes?

The U.S.A is the crux of it, especially with the trade war too.
 

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wow that is rich coming from Donald Duck Trump, when NSA spying on their own citizen 24/7, create spying tools from backdoor/OS vulnerabilities, which end up causing tremendous financial damages worldwide, and potentially costing human lives.

but we dont talk about that, do we?

Do you not think the exact same things were going on under Obama? Every major country spies on every other country and on their own citizens especially with the constant threat of terrorism.
 

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The U.S.A is the crux of it, especially with the trade war too.
It is the crux of this week’s action and this article. The EU has been investigating Huawei’s violations for a long time.

Canada’s actions were predicated on Huawei’s relationship to the Cinesengovernment and their disregard of Iran sanctions the world agreed to.

But believe whatever you want. You can create whatever fiction you want to fit your narrative.
 
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Just out of curiosity, the US has been going on about Huawei spying for China and whatnot for a long time now, but did they ever produce any solid evidence for the masses?
That Russian, cybersec fella: Lol!
 
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While I don't necessarily disagree with your analysis, the main issue is that the foundations of this thinking is wrong (or, arguably, just really !#@%! dumb) even if world leaders tend to believe it. Fundamentally conflicting interests only exist if you believe nations are somehow able to exist entirely separately, which has never been true, and certainly isn't in our day. Countries are intertependent. Period. Sure, there are still some more powerful than others, and there is a serious lack of democratic agency in global politics (read: it's entirely nonexistent), but the ideological basis of viewing global politics as competition rather than cooperation is what causes garbage like this to happen. This is of course neither the US's nor China's fault alone, but rather a remnant of centuries-old nationalist thinking. Europe post-WWII is an excellent example of how changing this presumption can radically alter relations between countries with vastly different levels of influence, as the focus on interdependent trade relations and peaceful cooperation transformed the continent with the most frequent and large-scale wars over the past few centuries into the most peaceful continent. Ever. In the history of mankind. That's a staggering achievement, and current right-wing politicians attempting to undermine this because a few dubious actors are challenging the system is ... idiotic. Competition (in general, but especially as reflected in current global capitalism) inherently has more losers than winners. The issue is that the world doesn't work that way - if other people lose, the winners inevitably lose as well. Maybe not initially, and maybe subtly, but cooperation gains everyone, not just a few. And sure, this will mean that the most powerful, who would likely have "won", can see themselves as "losing" because they're not running away with more than everyone else. But that's a dangerous, damaging, detrimental and delusional idea in a globally interdependent world. And we can't stop living in one just because we don't like it - at least not without also abandoning the products of this world, such as global industry. I seriously doubt the average Trump voter would support him if they were shown that a necessary consequence of following his ideology to its end is regression in pretty much all metrics, from wealth to food availability to technology to everything else we have and use in our lives.

Tl;dr: isolationism as a response to growing powers challenging the established world order is about as logical as cutting off your leg to stop a broken toe from hurting.

On a philosophical level, I agree. But the current geopolitical balance simply doesn't allow for that utopian view of the world. And it never did, really... Your example of post WWII era events was also a response to a new threat: Soviet Russia.
 
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