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Do you not think the exact same things were going on under Obama? Every major country spies on every other country and on their own citizens especially with the constant threat of terrorism.
"Constant threat of terrorism" should be in some giant, fat quotes. The very concept of a constant threat of terrorism is a propaganda tool for these same governments and agencies. Oh, and kind of besides the point, but said spying is explicitly and implicitly targeting leftists and non-whites, while it's well proven that white nationalist/right-wing terrorists are far more dangerous and kill far more people per year than any other terrorist group. In other words, they're not even trying to hide how blatantly they're lying about the purposes of their surveillance. And yes, I'm talking about the US, if that wasn't clear.
 
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The bottom line here is about security and the theft of IP, not just with the US but around the world. Huawei didnt get to where its at by being nice, coupled with the fact that the Chinese government has their hand in the cookie jar too. You can search for all the past "business deals" Huawei made that put tech in their claws, that still doesnt make them an evil entity as much as the ties it has with Chinese government do, which is where all the security concerns comes into play. Anyone that thinks the US is wrong here, feel free to contact your congressman, but if you dont live in the US, feel free to keep bashing US, its what you do best.

I would rather the US walk on the side of caution and be proactive about its, and my, security rather than ask my forgiveness for being completely stupid later.
 
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On a philosophical level, I agree. But the current geopolitical balance simply doesn't allow for that utopian view of the world. And it never did, really... Your example of post WWII era events was also a response to a new threat: Soviet Russia.
The European response to the Soviet Union was to largely ignore them. Sure, we were mostly part of NATO and had closed-ish borders, but European peace post-WWII was not due to a common enemy or any other such trivial idea. It was down to establishing explicit and multilateral interdependencies between countries, with the open admission that the dependencies existed and that all parties involved stood to gain from them. It also hinged on the realization from the more powerful countries involved that they would gain more long-term from cooperation despite the possibility of gaining more short-term without it - as the short-term plans inevitably would lead to escalation of conflicts and likely new wars, meaning that even the powerful would lose in the long term. It's not utopian, it's pragmatic. It does require willing and honest participation from a large amount of parties, but history has shown that this is possible.
 

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"Constant threat of terrorism" should be in some giant, fat quotes. The very concept of a constant threat of terrorism is a propaganda tool for these same governments and agencies. Oh, and kind of besides the point, but said spying is explicitly and implicitly targeting leftists and non-whites, while it's well proven that white nationalist/right-wing terrorists are far more dangerous and kill far more people per year than any other terrorist group. In other words, they're not even trying to hide how blatantly they're lying about the purposes of their surveillance. And yes, I'm talking about the US, if that wasn't clear.

Meanwhile in the real world hardly a week goes by that Muslims aren't killing innocent people en masse. Stereotypes are often based on facts. Of course they are being singled out. When the Muslims clean up their own house then there will no longer be a need for this.
 
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And that's how you eliminate the biggest threat for USA's security Apple's shareholders.
 

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while it's well proven that white nationalist/right-wing terrorists are far more dangerous and kill far more people per year than any other terrorist group
If well-proven, you would be well served in making your case by providing reputable sources.
 
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Meanwhile in the real world hardly a week goes by that Muslims aren't killing innocent people en masse. Stereotypes are often based on facts. Of course they are being singled out. When the Muslims clean up their own house then there will no longer be a need for this.
And there comes the blatant racist generalization of a religion counting roughly a billion people. Yay! Earned you a report. News flash: people of all religions, skin colors, nationalities, etc. kill people, and a lot of them - regardless of affiliations - do this "in the name of" whatever religion they claim to belong to. Yes, there is more instability and violence in poorer regions of the world, particularly those that have been worn down by centuries of colonization, resource theft, and proxy wars - where the Middle East stands out somewhat, but a lot of that is due to Western media being extremely eager to share every time something bad happens there compared to a lot of the world. Christians have a long and well-documented history of mass murder in the name of their religion, and terrorists clearly and purposely framing themselves as "white" and "christian" are more of a danger in Western countries in the past decade than any other group. I'm not going to list any of these a$@holes here, but if you don't know what I'm talking about you ought to watch the news more. I could say the same right back at you: when white, christian, pro-gun rights people in the US "clean up their act", there'll no longer be a need for this. But of course, those are all "bad apples", loners who have no relation to any organization or ideology, they're just "crazy". Of course. Funny how phrasing and word choice can change how something is perceived.
 

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And that's how you eliminate the biggest threat for USA's security Apple's shareholders.
Again, another person who is not well-versed on the worldwide movement against Huawei.
 
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I wonder how it will fair over in the UK... Me and P30 Pro seem to get along just fine :)....

Same.
just got the P30 pro last month with EE.
they have no idea whats really going on.
But im sure we will be fine.
Great phone so far though.
 

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Have the same phone with 3, seemed a decent step up to for the £9 extra a month. That said, I must be mad for paying that much a month... But for the camera and such, worth it as it saves me carrying around my DSLR...

I look forward to seeing what happens :)
 
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If well-proven, you would be well served in making your case by providing reputable sources.
This report gives a quite comprehensive overview of domestic terrorism in the US. Of course, you'll likely claim that the ADL isn't a reputable source - and if so: go away. They're as reputable as you get. This article also gives a good overview of the development of terrorism in the US (not just domestic) since 9/11. You could also go browse the Global Terrorism Database. No other group comes close in the sheer number of fatalities simply because 9/11 killed a shocking amount of people, but various branches of right-wing extremism (including neo-nazis, white identity terrorists, MRA-affiliated terrorists, anti-government extremists, and others) represent a very, very dominant portion of both total attacks, attacks injuring people, and attacks with fatalities.
 

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And there comes the blatant racist generalization of a religion counting roughly a billion people. Yay! Earned you a report. News flash: people of all religions, skin colors, nationalities, etc. kill people, and a lot of them - regardless of affiliations - do this "in the name of" whatever religion they claim to belong to. Yes, there is more instability and violence in poorer regions of the world, particularly those that have been worn down by centuries of colonization, resource theft, and proxy wars - where the Middle East stands out somewhat, but a lot of that is due to Western media being extremely eager to share every time something bad happens there compared to a lot of the world. Christians have a long and well-documented history of mass murder in the name of their religion, and terrorists clearly and purposely framing themselves as "white" and "christian" are more of a danger in Western countries in the past decade than any other group. I'm not going to list any of these a$@holes here, but if you don't know what I'm talking about you ought to watch the news more. I could say the same right back at you: when white, christian, pro-gun rights people in the US "clean up their act", there'll no longer be a need for this. But of course, those are all "bad apples", loners who have no relation to any organization or ideology, they're just "crazy". Of course. Funny how phrasing and word choice can change how something is perceived.

I will tell you something and you may not believe it but it's true. A Muslim neighbor who used to live down the street from me went on a killing spree and killed 4 marines and a naval reservist at a recruitment center. He asked his minister beforehand if Allah would forgive him for his past drug use if he did this and his minister told him yes.
 
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Have the same phone with 3, seemed a decent step up to for the £9 extra a month. That said, I must be mad for paying that much a month... But for the camera and such, worth it as it saves me carrying around my DSLR...

I look forward to seeing what happens :)


paying 54£ a month for the phone and a huawei tablet which isnt that bad of a deal really

yea the camera is something else....that zoom though!!!!!:eek:

was initially worried last night when reading about it...not so much now.
 
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I will tell you something and you may not believe it but it's true. A Muslim neighbor who used to live down the street from me went on a killing spree and killed 4 marines and a naval reservist at a recruitment center. He asked his minister beforehand if Allah would forgive him for his past drug use if he did this and his minister told him yes.
Translated: "This one insane thing happened close to me, so I must then extrapolate that to apply to all people who I might associate with the people involved." See, that's some pretty seriously flawed logic. Yes, that is atrocious, and it's equally atrocious if a religious authority "blessed" it - but that doesn't in any way mean that Islam is a violent religion nor that all muslims are somehow affiliated with terrorists. If that was true, should we assume all single white men in their early 20s are mass murderers because of Elliot Rodger and the people who encouraged him to go on a killing spree? No. Extremists are extremists, and do generally not represent whatever group they might be associated with - unless their group is an extremist group, that is. Islam is not extermist islam, just as "single white men" are not MRAs or incels (and even among those hatred-driven groups there are entirely non-violent people, and I don't assume all MRAs to be potential mass murderers just because quite a few mass murderers have come from their ranks, and their ideology generally foments anger, self-hatred, hatred and violent rhetoric). See how easy that is?
 

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paying 54£ a month for the phone and a huawei tablet which isnt that bad of a deal really

yea the camera is something else....that zoom though!!!!!:eek:

was initially worried last night when reading about it...not so much now.

What sort of contract did you get with it? Data allowance etc?

I'm a little under that at £50 a month, but its a huge amount to spend out each month I feel..

The zoom is awesome, 50x, try holding that thing steady lol

As long as my phone works for the length of the contract, I'm not so worried about it at all... I do wonder if the UK will follow the USA with the ban on it but what will be will be :)
 
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What sort of contract did you get with it? Data allowance etc?

I'm a little under that at £50 a month, but its a huge amount to spend out each month I feel..

The zoom is awesome, 50x, try holding that thing steady lol

As long as my phone works for the length of the contract, I'm not so worried about it at all... I do wonder if the UK will follow the USA with the ban on it but what will be will be :)

I got 60gb data on the phone and 2gb data on the tablet...but i can data share,so each month i put 10gb or so on the tablet. 60gb is too much really.
A 2 year contract is long.miss the yearly contracts.

im currently paying 120£ a month!!!
still paying for my step sons contract,but thankfully that ends soon.

Huawei so say have a plan 'b' as they have prepared for this to happen.
wether its there own O/S remains to be seen.

ios and android are getting a bit boring now. something fresh would be welcome.imo
 
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This report gives a quite comprehensive overview of domestic terrorism in the US. Of course, you'll likely claim that the ADL isn't a reputable source - and if so: go away. They're as reputable as you get. This article also gives a good overview of the development of terrorism in the US (not just domestic) since 9/11. You could also go browse the Global Terrorism Database. No other group comes close in the sheer number of fatalities simply because 9/11 killed a shocking amount of people, but various branches of right-wing extremism (including neo-nazis, white identity terrorists, MRA-affiliated terrorists, anti-government extremists, and others) represent a very, very dominant portion of both total attacks, attacks injuring people, and attacks with fatalities.
Oh wow, you cite 9/11 like that was the last Musllim terrorist event. They happen regularly, worldwide. You are obviously an apologist.
 

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A 2 year contract is long.miss the yearly contracts.

im currently paying 120£ a month!!!
still paying for my step sons contract,but thankfully that ends soon.

Huawei so say have a plan 'b' as they have prepared for this to happen.
wether its there own O/S remains to be seen.

ios and android are getting a bit boring now. something fresh would be welcome.imo

It's not too bad, I got away with unlimited everything since it was the same price for 12Gb or more for 30Gb or 100Gb.. Seemed daft to do anything different. Sometimes 12Gb wasn't enough so glad I had the extra now :)
I'm guessing the longer contracts are to try and cover the pricey phone costs.. I mean these P30 Pro's are what, £1200 I was told?? £100 a month?? I'm not sure people will want to spend that...

I was just talking to a mate at work about the OS this morning and such.. I agree, we do need a bit more choice I think as there's so much bloatware in some of the Android releases I'd spend 30 minutes uninstalling programs that I don't want or need.. great fun :(
 
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Translated: "This one insane thing happened close to me, so I must then extrapolate that to apply to all people who I might associate with the people involved." See, that's some pretty seriously flawed logic. Yes, that is atrocious, and it's equally atrocious if a religious authority "blessed" it - but that doesn't in any way mean that Islam is a violent religion nor that all muslims are somehow affiliated with terrorists. If that was true, should we assume all single white men in their early 20s are mass murderers because of Elliot Rodger and the people who encouraged him to go on a killing spree? No. Extremists are extremists, and do generally not represent whatever group they might be associated with - unless their group is an extremist group, that is. Islam is not extermist islam, just as "single white men" are not MRAs or incels (and even among those hatred-driven groups there are entirely non-violent people, and I don't assume all MRAs to be potential mass murderers just because quite a few mass murderers have come from their ranks, and their ideology generally foments anger, self-hatred, hatred and violent rhetoric). See how easy that is?

I'm going to have to stop you there... the Islam is a violent religion. Christianity is too. And both are equally bad at that part of their history. Historically, violence is inherent to the religious idea that there is only one truth. There is no place for another reality, so you're either with or against it.

The problem with Islam is that its behind the curve and its followers are also behind the curve. For Christianity, at least here in Europe, most countries decided to separate church and state. In many Muslim countries, they haven't got that strict separation, in fact, Islam is still actively used to this day to exercise power and influence, win elections and maintain power and influence. Its a vehicle for that, first and foremost.

n the US, the separation of church and state is sort of 'halfway' through; every POTUS speech is still 'God willing' and there is a serious bit of Christian fundamentalism in power positions in the US. But its not integral to its foreign or domestic policy or democracy itself. However, this does explain why there is such a strong opposition to Islam, see my first two lines up there. An outsider can easily identify US foreign policy as Christian oppression.

Regardless. We don't live in medieval times anymore, so yes, Islam stands out in this day and age for the way it tries to spread its ideology or the way it fights opposing ones, and the ideas of many sub ideologies within Islam - hell they even didn't get to the point where they stop shooting each other in the face, yet. The fundamental problem with Islam is a lack of reflection and I think that also clearly rings through in the example given by @64K . In Europe, we had big events that changed our perception of the place of religion in society. Islam has yet to experience that, and its followers so far seem largely unwilling to, the actual exception to the rule is the Muslim population of 2nd and 3rd generation in Western countries. Those are the ones that will bring change. And I hate to say this, but yes, that is a minority. What's missing is the uproar among all those other Muslims wrt terrorism. We never see or hear it - and the reason for that is that same lack of reflection.

As for right wing terrorism (or left wing, also not innocent) compared to religious terrorism... its equally threatening really... I don't think this should be a contest.

Wait. This is offtopic :) I'm dropping this one now. I will say its not entirely fair to swing the report hammer around when you're entering dangerous territory yourself... You can expect a response.
 
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Huawei so say have a plan 'b' as they have prepared for this to happen.
wether its there own O/S remains to be seen.

The "operating system" is not the issue here, never was. Huawei would be adding too much cost if it went for its own OS, when a free(!) one is available and maintained by some of the brightest minds the industry has.
Exporting their homegrown, Gapps-replacement services is probably the safest bet. Go the Amazon way, so to speak.
 
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"The UK and European Commission have separately conducted investigations into allegations of Huawei posing a data-security risk, and have both concluded to have seen no merit to the accusations. "

really? then why articles like this: https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/28/uk-report-blasts-huawei-for-network-security-incompetence/ "The latest report by a UK oversight body set up to evaluation Chinese networking giant Huawei’s approach to security has dialed up pressure on the company, giving a damning assessment of what it describes as “serious and systematic defects” in its software engineering and cyber security competence. "
 
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the actual exception to the rule is the Muslim population of 2nd and 3rd generation in Western countries
Not necessarily, Muslims in the West are generally liberal & religious. When it comes to choosing between their religion & anything else the vast majority of them will still chose Islam ~ you can bet on that. The answer to this is less religion, tbf that applies to all religions around the world.

As for places like India, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia with a large base of Muslims ~ they are indeed progressing down the right path. Of course hiccups are there like Mr. lunatic Erdogan or some major policy reversals in places like Malaysia & Indonesia, vote bank politics in India. The thing is when you see wars like Iraq, Syria it's hard for the Muslim moderates here to steer the narrative away against Jihad ~ which to me is a huge problem in the way US has handled post Cold war era & Muslim nations. Muslims generally see themselves as part of a single unified body called Ummah & an attack on any of them is like an attack on all, except in case of Uighurs I guess.

The biggest problem is the Wahhabi kingdom, sub Saharan Africa, Pakistan & to a lesser extent Afghanistan. Here there's no (functional) democracy, economic growth, rule of law or liberal middle class. All of which leads to a negative feedback loop making more of the people extremists rather than moderates or centrists. Again this is a multi pronged war, with religion/poverty/nationalism on one side & progress on the other.
 
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"The UK and European Commission have separately conducted investigations into allegations of Huawei posing a data-security risk, and have both concluded to have seen no merit to the accusations. "

really? then why articles like this: https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/28/uk-report-blasts-huawei-for-network-security-incompetence/ "The latest report by a UK oversight body set up to evaluation Chinese networking giant Huawei’s approach to security has dialed up pressure on the company, giving a damning assessment of what it describes as “serious and systematic defects” in its software engineering and cyber security competence. "

They all have the same story really. From 2012 onwards, these are the same worries and while Huawei has always tried to keep everyone on board (with seemingly best intentions) this rabbit hole is deep. Very deep, and the real issue is that its nearly impossible to get the full scope of how leaky the hardware really is. At the same time, Western countries do require that certainty. That is why this is happening. China / Huawei banked on low price to push this through.
 
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