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It will be interesting to see if Huawei can supply any 5G networks going forward with these restrictions.
 
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On a more positive note - I really enjoyed the reference to Star Trek NG
 

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Muslims generally see themselves as part of a single unified body called Ummah & an attack on any of them is like an attack on all, except in case of Uighurs I guess.

I'm living in Iran and at least in my country that's not the case.
Belief in Islam is getting weaker and weaker here but of course the government doesn't like to show the truth.
 
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I know that's a bit of a generalization but that's what I hear from Muslims in India or our immediate neighbors. Which is to say that the more religious you are the more inclined you'd be to the concept of Ummah, at least IMO & observation. The less religious Muslims are indeed more rational, moderate & peaceful than extremists on either end (left or right) of the spectrum.
 
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The less religious Muslims are indeed more rational, moderate & peaceful than extremists on either end (left or right) of the spectrum.
Isn't that true for all religions?
 
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Isn't that true for all religions?
True but like I said if someone attacks a Muslim, the more religious majority perceive that as an attack on their religion & Ummah. That's not the case with most other religions.
 
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I'm living in Iran and at least in my country that's not the case.
Belief in Islam is getting weaker and weaker here but of course the government doesn't like to show the truth.

Well, I do believe Iran is also one of the most progressive Islamic countries in the region. You already were making the transition and then things took an unfortunate turn...

Either way, I do still believe we should get back on topic. Its a small miracle this exists here as it is :)
 
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Do you not think the exact same things were going on under Obama?

Why does it have to be partisan? I don't care who does it those kind of programs spying on US without warrants citizens I oppose. That included Obama.
 

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On a more positive note - I really enjoyed the reference to Star Trek NG

TOS/TNG are OG Star Trek that continues to inspire. Discovery is for people grappling with identity crises.
 
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Meanwhile in the real world hardly a week goes by that Muslims aren't killing innocent people en masse.

True of most major religions. See the Lords Liberation Army as a counter example. Great folks. /s

The less religious Muslims are indeed more rational, moderate & peaceful than extremists on either end (left or right) of the spectrum.

This is true. It's because a lot of old religious texts (including the bible) heartily endorse violence to solve social issues. Taking them literally is dangerous, and that's extremism.

Lets just not fall into the us vs them mentality in regards to religion. Fact: You can be a peacful or violent muslim/christisn/athiest and it really is that simple.

Oh wow, topic, sorry...
 

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It is beyond me how this news topic has moved from a quite specific news piece to Muslim extremists, terror attacks from both external and internal organisations, the left, the right and dead people, so if I may, I suggest we move back on topic because reading much of this last page or so has been a painful experience.... thank you.
 

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So, meanwhile back in Huawei land... :D
 

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I'm eagerly waiting for China's move now. I'm all up for halting exports of US products made in China. Got my popcorn ready.
 

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I'm eagerly waiting for China's move now.

I expect it to be outlawing Windows 10 and promoting the state-kosher version of Ubuntu (Kylin).

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I expect it to be outlawing Windows 10 and promoting the state-kosher version of Ubuntu (Kylin).
Windows telemetry does give them an excuse, I think. But it doesn't feel "splashy" enough, imo. I would be hilarious if they went after Apple, not to mention higher headline value/impact. And it'd be a tit for tat kind of move too.
 

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That... is the sad outcome I see really. East vs West closed and signed OS world in the future.

You want to write your own OS? Ha!

The reason I expect MS Windows to take the fall is because it is America's greatest tech export consistently for the past 3 decades, and has "halo" value as something that has monopolized client computing world over. Huawei is supposed to be the pride of China's high-tech industry, their "halo" brand. The Chinese response will hence be political as much as it will be economic.
 
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The reason I expect MS Windows to take the fall is because it is America's greatest tech export consistently for the past 3 decades, and has "halo" value as something that has monopolized client computing world over. Huawei is supposed to be the pride of China's high-tech industry, their "halo" brand. The Chinese response will hence be political as much as it will be economic.

And I know they've been pushing this. Believe it or not I possess an early Loongson developer kit pilfered from a code bounty project, one of their first homegrown MIPS cpu families. It's old but one of the things I had to do to earn it for free was port some open source software to gentoo/MIPS. It was long ago but I believe the port was for a vector library.

They are really looking at a linux basterdized MIPS angle. Probably because MIPS and windows don't mix. Weirdly enough they at one point were recruiting western programers to do so and paying primarily in free devkits.

And this was circa 2012.

PS: I still have the devkit, if it's of any interest to TPU. Was about to throw it away. It's a single core 800Mhz mips about the size of a textbook with a 120W "Great Wall" power adapter. Free for postage. It may need it's bios chip reflashed. Shows evidence of an early AMD partnership too, as they made the chipset.
 
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This will not end well.
 
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Seems like a lot of dishonesty, corruption, and corporate protectionism, to me.
 
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I think they already do ~ wars, of any kind, are super profitable businesses :toast:
 
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The USA is currently playing with fire big time, right now it's esentially exploiting it's historical friendship with the EU in order to protect it from any repricussions to it's isolationist/protectionist attacks on China/Chinese companies.

Luckily for the USA (sadly for the rest of the world) it looks like it's going to get away with it for the forseeable future, however it's untenable for this to last forever, sooner or later we may see that the other countries of the world become fed up and we could potentially see the EU team up with the BRICs nations to sanction the USA and force it to engage properly with global trade instead of using it's influence/friendships to attack economic rivals it cannot compete with on a level footing.
 
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This is a strong step kicking Huawei. Might even bankrupt them.
Strategically this is a very bad move.
Chinese companies will not buy US technology parts and software as soon as they can develop anything what works instead.
As China is the largest economy on the planet this move will kick US tech companies from China and all Chinese product.
In 10 years time the US tech industry will be a shadow of todays strength.

Um, what do you think China 2025 or whatever year was all about? They've been determined to steal or extort tech out of every company they can for years, at which point they'll dump competitive parts on the market and put the US companies out of business anyway, as well as being self sufficient. You need look no further than the metals industry for the template. Everyone is crying about steel because we're dependant on Chinese steel and the American steel industry is a shadow of what it was. There's something to be said for long term thinking over instant gratification.
 
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American steel industry is a shadow of what it was.

I feel that's inevitable and the reason is simple: Young people in America today do not want to work in Steel Mills.
 
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