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UK police can download the private contents of your phone in minutes without a warrant

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It's not just the police, basically any governent department can legally access any electronic communication if permission is granted by the Investigatory Powers Commission who basically rubber stamp all such requests.

Investigatory Powers Act 2016

We have no privacy whatsoever.
 
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I don't live in the UK but I'm noticing some pretty big privacy violations such as that 24/7 number plate tracking system.
People really have a warped perception of what constitutes "privacy". License plates are not private. Neither is anything you do in a public place. Think of the plate tracking as people sitting there writing down every plate that goes by. There's nothing illegal about it because you are driving on public streets, and nothing you do there is private. Therefore ANYONE can photograph and record you without your consent, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it - besides not go out. People here are all in a snit over police using automated plate readers too. But once again, it's perfectly legal because your license plate is not private. I happen to be a supporter of the technology because it helps the police much more easily find stolen cars and criminals. Last year one of our sheriff's deputies was doing plate scanning on I-70 and he got a hit on a stolen. He began a pursuit which the suspect wrecked out and fled into a small town. After a 3 hour manhunt, he stole another vehicle and tried to escape. Another chase ensued, and a couple miles later he wrecked again off an overpass. Once they had him in custody and identified him, it turned out he was wanted in connection with the kidnapping and rape of a 13 year old girl (among numerous other violent crimes) in Georgia. So yeah. Install those suckers on every patrol car and catch em all.

As for the original story, there's really not a lot you can do in a country that doesn't have a Constitution protecting its citizens from unlawful police activity. Maybe their people should take a stand rather than pressing their lips to her majesty's royal bum..
 
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Can they force you to unlock a phone? I recall that American judiciary do throw you in a cell until you do (forever, if you refused), but what about the Brits?
There are two different situations that have gone before the courts... One where they KNOW there is incriminating evidence on the hard drive, and one where they SUSPECT there is incriminating evidence. Both have had their day in court and there are several different outcomes.

There was one where Border Patrol found kiddy porn during an inspection on a laptop that was powered on and decrypted, but it locked when powered off, and the suspect refused to give the password, citing 5th amendment privilege. He was jailed on contempt, the judge not buying the "testifying agains one's self" 5th amendment argument because producing the password would not give the government something they didn't already know (that there was kiddy porn on the computer).

Several others have related to financial crimes where the government did NOT already know the contents of the drives - which were seized during warrant raids in an already encrypted state. These are the cases where providing a password IS tantamount to testifying against one's self and aiding in their own prosecution. There is a difference between being compelled to produce something physical (like a key to a locked safe) and being compelled to produce something that only exists in someone's mind (for example the cipher to paper diaries written in one's own personal code that are inside said safe). Of course there is nothing stopping the government from attempting to break encryption through their own brute force, but so far popular open-source encryption like TrueCrypt and VeraCrypt are proving impossible for the FBI to crack - thus they need an easy shortcut in the form of attempting to compel the suspect to give up the password. As I said, the appellate courts have actually gone both ways on this. A couple have upheld the contempt charges, while others have tossed them on 5th amendment grounds. None as of yet have made it to the Supreme Court. Meanwhile the government is trying to enforce "Key Escrow", which is basically a back door into any encrypted system (the San Bernardino iphone is their big poster child for that), pulling the rug from under those who would rather go to jail than help the government prosecute them.
 
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London has beat out New York City to become the most dangerous place to live. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/

Knife attacks, acid, beatings as well. Also Scotland just spent the money and time to prosecute someone for a Nazi/Hitler joke, right after detaining a pseudo-journalist and kicking her from the country, and after allowing ANTIFA to try and shut down another youtuber during a public talk. While the US has issues, most are brought on the friction between cultures learning to live together, with freedoms some are unused to. The UK is slowly becoming a joke, allowing a minority of immigrants to drastically change the culture of a successful country, back to shithole standards for fear of "ism" and taking away rights in a highly 1984 Orwellian state where apparently now thought crimes are real, but real crimes like grooming gangs are OK.
 

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New York City is safe as far as US cities are concerned. I mean, it's like 50th among US cities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

NYC has probably the biggest police force in the world though with 40,000 officers and a $5.6 billion annual budget. London, by comparison, has 31,000 officers and $4.54 billion annual budget.

What the UK is missing is the 4th amendment which courts have ruled extends to personal devices. Officers can't search your phone without a warrant unless you give it to them freely.
 
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Edited, I removed my inappropriate comment. Sorry about that.
 
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Can we quit making blanket religious stereotypes now? It's off topic, and Biblical law isn't exactly a house of fun either.
 

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People really have a warped perception of what constitutes "privacy". License plates are not private. Neither is anything you do in a public place. Think of the plate tracking as people sitting there writing down every plate that goes by. There's nothing illegal about it because you are driving on public streets, and nothing you do there is private. Therefore ANYONE can photograph and record you without your consent, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it - besides not go out. People here are all in a snit over police using automated plate readers too. But once again, it's perfectly legal because your license plate is not private. I happen to be a supporter of the technology because it helps the police much more easily find stolen cars and criminals. Last year one of our sheriff's deputies was doing plate scanning on I-70 and he got a hit on a stolen. He began a pursuit which the suspect wrecked out and fled into a small town. After a 3 hour manhunt, he stole another vehicle and tried to escape. Another chase ensued, and a couple miles later he wrecked again off an overpass. Once they had him in custody and identified him, it turned out he was wanted in connection with the kidnapping and rape of a 13 year old girl (among numerous other violent crimes) in Georgia. So yeah. Install those suckers on every patrol car and catch em all.

As for the original story, there's really not a lot you can do in a country that doesn't have a Constitution protecting its citizens from unlawful police activity. Maybe their people should take a stand rather than pressing their lips to her majesty's royal bum..
Regardless of any of that , one should have the right to move freely without having the government track them 24/7.
 
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Regardless of any of that , one should have the right to move freely without having the government track them 24/7.
Don't worry, you're not that important.
 

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It appears that some cannot post without religious bias so this thread is closed.
 
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It's not religious bias when it's a fact. Only more islamic place than UK is Iran judging by how UK behaves for last couple of years. And the fact that UK police is clamping down on hate speech and treating its citizens like in worst dystopian sci fi movie should be concerning to you. But lets shell out warnings to people who dare to say it. You of all should be the most concerned since you freaking live there.
 

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It's not religious bias when it's a fact. Only more islamic place than UK is Iran judging by how UK behaves for last couple of years. And the fact that UK police is clamping down on hate speech and treating its citizens like in worst dystopian sci fi movie should be concerning to you. But lets shell out warnings to people who dare to say it. You of all should be the most concerned since you freaking live there.
I thought I had closed the thread.....sorry, @RejZoR, your opinion is valued, however in this case, they go against the guidelines, but it is very easy to completely categorise a whole religion based on the few, your "fact" is somewhat amusing when you compare pro rata the levels of population in Europe of the Religion you mention.
 
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