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Ultrabooks The Answer to ARM Tablets: Intel

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The onslaught of ARM-powered smartphones and tablets has taken a bit toll on not just the netbook (cheap, slow notebook, Steve Jobs' views), but even the future of Intel's x86 architecture as everyday computing devices get smaller. Sure, Intel has an x86-based processor platform in the works for smartphones and tablets, codenamed "Medfield", but its intentions towards the two form-factors come across as hollow and short-sighted when you look at the latest partner release, where it pitches the ultrabook form-factor as "the answer" to ARM tablets.

It goes on to list out exactly why tablets are function-limited, and can never become people's everyday computing device; and how ultrabooks can offer more functionality at similar compactness of form-factor as tablets. This directly implies that Intel's intentions with Medfield are to merely cash-in on what it perceives to be a short-term demand for processors that drive ultra-compact tablets; at least till ultrabooks get cemented in the market, so it could push tablets out of the market and bring "order" back to the PC segment.

“Tablets have introduced some great features that support some of these use cases with longer battery life and touch capabilities in order to provide a more enriched experience," Intel said in its release. "However the screens are still small, local storage is generally miniscule and restrictive, and tablets lack performance compared to that of a traditional PC.” Fire up Outlook 2010 on your PC, and Android Mail on your tablet, measure the load times.

Source: Electronista
 

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Ultrabooks @ 999$ is Intel's answer to 199$ Tablets.

Sure why not.
 
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Ultrabooks @ 999$ is Intel's answer to 199$ Tablets.

Sure why not.
My point exactly! What can a ultrabook do that a tablet can not do. Ok, don't answer that, however. The main use of both an ultrabook and a tablet is internet, and mail, and some general browsing (such as this, or even Netflicks). Why would I pay 5 to 2 times the prices for something that can do the same function!
 

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Ultrabooks @ 999$ is Intel's answer to 199$ Tablets.

Sure why not.
There will be cheap ($499~$699) ultrabooks to compete with $400~$600 tablets; and there are $199 netbooks to compete with $199 tablets. So ultrabook's target isn't the $199 tablet, it's the $400~$600 one.

So, sure why not.
 

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Hmm, yeah that does make a little more sense.
 
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Seems like Apple presented MacBook Air two years earlier and Ultrabook is just a Shenzhen copycat. Some Air knock-off, faking what is а genuine Apple product. Will be good if they licensed OS X Lion, cause it is only $29.99, where Windows is $199.
 
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Ultrabook...for when you need the power of a real PC, but the graphics of a tablet...for the price of a gaming laptop :D
 

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Ultrabook...for when you need the power of a real PC, but the graphics of a tablet...for the price of a gaming laptop :D
Ultrabooks are pretty handy, while a bit expensive, the cost will fall as they cover the costs of the tooling and economies of scale kicks in.
 
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i went to get an ultrabook, after checking 4 or 5 of them, i returned to the Mac store and got the MBA. The only one that came close to the look and feel of the MBA was the UX31. but the touchpad on it was horrible. the one i checked had the latest driver as well. if Asus had a decent touchpad, I would have gotten it. Am never a fan of OSX. (still am not. I miss my PC dearly!)

however, from the POV of Intel, they still sold me an Ultra book because MBA has the same CPU in it.
 
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Seems like Apple presented MacBook Air two years earlier and Ultrabook is just a Shenzhen copycat. Some Air knock-off, faking what is а genuine Apple product
Excuse me but, What ?! It wasn't apple that invented the Laptop concept. And the ultrabook is just a very thin/light Notebook. Notebook thickness were reduced with each new generation, so just because Apple's made a very thin one doesn't mean they invented the idea.
Hell, even that Air of yours uses Intel CPUs. Genuine Apple you say, I don't recall Apple coming up with A genuine innovation in ages. Aside from their OS.
 
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Seems like Apple presented MacBook Air two years earlier and Ultrabook is just a Shenzhen copycat. Some Air knock-off, faking what is а genuine Apple product. Will be good if they licensed OS X Lion, cause it is only $29.99, where Windows is $199.
wow that windows is expensive, I got mine for $90 :/ Also whats wrong with Shenzhen copy products? :love: visiting there to get my "legit" Polo Ralph Lauren and Pierre Cardin :D
 
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Excuse me but, What ?! It wasn't apple that invented the Laptop concept. And the ultrabook is just a very thin/light Notebook. Notebook thickness were reduced with each new generation, so just because Apple's made a very thin one doesn't mean they invented the idea.
Hell, even that Air of yours uses Intel CPUs. Genuine Apple you say, I don't recall Apple coming up with A genuine innovation in ages. Aside from their OS.
Surely you noticed that in the last few years every time Apple opens up a new market everyone else rushes to make "me too" products?
Also, innovation is not invention.
 
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Surely you noticed that in the last few years every time Apple opens up a new market everyone else rushes to make "me too" products?
True, for maybe the iPhone (which was a market already existing), and the iMac (which is basically an all-in-one with a stylish look). But for both, Apple added nothing new to the table but maybe the look (?), but then again, I fail to see another design method that could be taken other than the ones Apple did. I don't see a thin portable touch smartphone taking another shape than a rectangular pad shape.
Do tell me if you meant another product I'm unaware of.

Also, innovation is not invention.
Sorry, I did translate what I was thinking literally (I do that alot), and innovation was the word.
 

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Flatmates have a MBA and the other the Asus UX31. I prefer MBA over the UX31, the MBA beats the UX31 in almost all aspects (even competitive price wise), the only thing UX31 tops MBA (to me) is heat distribution, MBA gets a bit hotter than UX31.

Surely you noticed that in the last few years every time Apple opens up a new market everyone else rushes to make "me too" products?
I see nothing wrong with that, their iPod popularised music on the go, their iPhone changed the mobile phone market completely, their Tablets were efficient media consumption devices, and MBA improved the notebook market. If only other companies have ideas as useful as theirs and the marketing to make it happen.
 

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intel... ripping off since the origins of time.
 
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intel... ripping off since the origins of time.
Perhaps in a general sense, they've ripped off a lot, but how so in this case? The MBA is a thin/light laptop with Intel Sandy Bridge Processors/chipset. An Ultrabook is a thin/light laptop with Intel Sandy Bridge Processors/chipset. Whether you choose MBA or Ultrabook, Intel wins.

Now, where are the Llano/Trinity Ultrabooks? Intel has much faster processing capability, but their HD 3000 is only about as powerful (maybe a little weaker) than an e350 APU. I don't know how fast the Ivy Bridge graphics will be, but I still doubt they'd be anywhere near Llano graphics performance, let alone Trinity.

It might just be me, but I see: i5-2467M > A8 3500M (good enough) -but- HD 6550D >> HD 3000 (not good enough)
 
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Seems like Apple presented MacBook Air two years earlier and Ultrabook is just a Shenzhen copycat. Some Air knock-off, faking what is а genuine Apple product. Will be good if they licensed OS X Lion, cause it is only $29.99, where Windows is $199.
Apple must be the originator of everything (computing) good. But they can't seem to make up there mind.

I think were a clone now
Keep in mind Apple ran to Intel and put a P6 in their computers

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-22/tech/30012160_1_intel-exec-macbook-air-arm-designs

Make up your mind if you want develops to say on board
 
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RISC... RISC is good...
 
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RISC vs CISC programmability
 
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Ultrabooks The Answer to ARM Tablets
although intel said that, i guess ultrabook and tablet would be in different market, where ultrabooks will fill mobile computing that light weight but has performance, and tablets would be in market where people need little bit more than smart phone, larger screen and just daily needs