(unconfirmed) RTX 2060 leak - 1070Ti performance at $349

[Vario]

Between i5 going for i7 prices and this 6 series going for 7 series prices, traditionally the affordable options for midrange PC gaming, console is looking more appealing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

oh well ... Vega 56/64 confirmed if i decide to change my 1070

Yeah, because that'd be such a great upgrade.
/sarcasm

 

[moproblems99]

Vega 56/64 confirmed if i decide to change my 1070

Unless you already have a freesync monitor, I would keep that 1070 until Navi.

 

[sepheronx]

Between i5 going for i7 prices and this 6 series going for 7 series prices, traditionally the affordable options for midrange PC gaming, console is looking more appealing.

now now, let us not get ahead of ourselves. One can purchase for $500 or so a decent computer (nothing amazing tbh) that still does better than console. Xbox one x is good but pricey so within the same price range, I can build something that can handle itself.

But I tend to agree. Prices for components are getting tad too ridiculous. a 2060, while sounding good, should only be about $300 at most for higher model. Maybe $250. $350 is really pushing it. But judging by average prices going here for GPU's all around, I am not entirely surprised. That $350 will soon be about $450 CAD.

My GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 6GB will have to last me longer than needed.

 

[Space Lynx]

I mean I have seen 1070 ti on sale for $330... so I mean is this really a deal, especially since it has more limited Overclocking potential since nvidia is gimping oc'ing hardcore on all these new models. :/ /shrug come on 7nm AMD! come out swinging!

 

[FordGT90Concept]

1070 Ti has 7.2 billion transistors (314 mm²) compared to RTX 2060 10.8 billion transistors (445 mm²). TSMC's 12nm has little manufacturing savings compared to TSMC's 16nm (it's basically rebranded). RTX 2060 costs more to manufacture than GTX 1070 Ti for about the same D3D performance. The naming scheme is deceptive to subsidize 30% of the chip being wasted on DXR. NVIDIA is eating the cost difference. 2060 suggests it is a midrange card but it is not or, at least, it won't be until 7nm cards debut. NVIDIA knows AMD isn't going to release a card to challenge the price structure of any of their RTX cards before 7nm products launch. Considering how large and expensive Turing chips are, Turing compared to the coming 7nm chips may underwhelm in terms of performance. Turing only exists to promote DXR and deep learning.

TL;DR: Don't expect the price of RTX 2060 (or any of the RTX line) to drop any time soon. They're big, expensive chips.

 

[lexluthermiester]

RTX 2060 costs more to manufacture than GTX 1070 Ti yet it does not match it in performance

Unless you're a reviewer and are breaking NDA, you don't and can't know that. And given that your own stats you've quoted it doesn't jive either. By those numbers, the 2060 should run better, faster and cooler than the 1070ti. Calling BS on your statment.

 

[Vayra86]

Unless you're a reviewer and are breaking NDA, you don't and can't know that. And given that your own stats you've quoted it doesn't jive either. By those numbers, the 2060 should run better, faster and cooler than the 1070ti. Calling BS on your statment.

Que? I think you need to take a long look at a die shot. Ford is spot on.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Que? I think you need to take a long look at a die shot. Ford is spot on.

You may "think" whatever you want, doesn't make you or him actually correct.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Unless you're a reviewer and are breaking NDA, you don't and can't know that. And given that your own stats you've quoted it doesn't jive either. By those numbers, the 2060 should run better, faster and cooler than the 1070ti. Calling BS on your statment.

but what he said is absolutely true. rtx die and ddr6 memory is making 2060 a more expensive card to manufacture. of course this is just half of the truth since the goal is to push the old gen and make rtx line of cards replace them eventually so it doesn't really make that much sense to compare production costs of a 2016 gp104 with ddr5 to brand new core/memory rtx2060.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Yeah, because that'd be such a great upgrade.
/sarcasm

a 56 would be a sidegrade ... a 64 would be indeed an upgrade ... and pricing wise, as i said, they are worth the price asked unlike the actual RTX offer

Between i5 going for i7 prices and this 6 series going for 7 series prices, traditionally the affordable options for midrange PC gaming, console is looking more appealing.

oh ... R5/R7 2600/2600X/2700X are quite nicely priced for me and i rather take a 2600X over a 9600K since the 2600X is near the initial price of my 6600K i use actually ( which doesn't OC anymore ... i really need to check the workaround on the thread mentioning the issue ) which was 239$

Unless you already have a freesync monitor, I would keep that 1070 until Navi.

mmhhh that's not wrong ...


although at 1440p i guess the 64 does not look so grim (a 1070Ti for me is ~700+ $ ) while the 56 would indeed be a sidegrade ...

 

[lexluthermiester]

rtx die and ddr6 memory is making 2060 a more expensive card to manufacture.

I'm not arguing that point because it's correct. I'm arguing against the performance statement.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm not arguing that point because it correct. I'm arguing against the performance statement.

from the leaked chart it seems it does match 1070ti indeed. wins in 10,loses in 8 and draws 1070ti in 2 of the games included.they're very close generally but 2060 might be faster by a whisker overall.1070ti scores 103 fps avg. of 20 games, 2060 scores 106.

 

[lexluthermiester]

from the leaked chart it seems it does match 1070ti indeed. wins in 10,loses in 8 and draws 1070ti in 2 of the games included.they're very close generally but 2060 might be faster by a whisker overall.

But it's leaked info, which isn't always accurate. And given the specs, it doesn't make any sense.

 

[cucker tarlson]

But it's leaked info, which isn't always accurate. And given the specs, it doesn't make any sense.

why? 1920 turing cores can match 2400 pascal cores easily if 2080 with 2944 cuda and 64 rops can beat 1080ti with 3584 cuda and 88 rops.

 

[lexluthermiester]

why? 1920 turing cores can match 2400 pascal cores easily if 2080 with 2944 cuda and 64 rops can beat 1080ti with 3584 cuda and 88 rops.

That a good point. It'll be interesting to see how it actually plays out..

 

[cucker tarlson]

That a good point. It'll be interesting to see how it actually plays out..

the more I think what turing offers in terms of architecture the more I want one.

 

[moproblems99]

mmhhh that's not wrong ...

It will also come down to the games you play as there are wild swings between what archs favor what games. I would wouldn't get anything less than a 64 but I can't see too many use cases where ~10% will truly make a difference between unplayable and enjoyable.

Also, when the 2060 drops, expect price cuts as well.

 

[Totally]

There's a slight chance RT will get useful someday (software/firmware updates). Besides, I'm not investing in the 3 year old 10 series, and I need an upgrade. A used 1070 costs $320 in my country so why not get a more modern 2060 with better speeds and a minor added extra, a promise of an RT tech that might work someday.

Unless that "someday" arrives within the next year there will be better cards suited for the job unless we go another 2 yrs without a new gen. That's why it's silly to buy a card with the expectation that a promise will be fulfilled in the future.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Also, when the 2060 drops, expect price cuts as well.

well if a 64 drop in price because of that i will say same as i did when Intel released the 9900K ..."oooh red dawn for the new year to come..."

It will also come down to the games you play as there are wild swings between what archs favor what games. I would wouldn't get anything less than a 64 but I can't see too many use cases where ~10% will truly make a difference between unplayable and enjoyable.

mmhhh i currently see it above a 1070Ti (not much but still) or above a 1080 depending the games i play and the one that are used in reviews ... so yep pretty much that : more value for the money and performance wise, not yielding too much either... although i can also wait for Navi but one thing is sure ... my next rig might not be Blue-Gree[d]n anymore

as of today, i rather take a sidegrade giving my money to AMD than the 2 other, they did much more recently and it's what make it worth it to me.
now if i can find a 2070 around the price i paid for my 1070 (overpriced ... 526chf and that was the cheapest i could find ) let say at maximum 590-600chf i might consider it (not for RTX tech tho ... )

 

[moproblems99]

well if a 64 drop in price because of that i will say same as i did when Intel released the 9900K ..."oooh red dawn for the new year to come..."


mmhhh i currently see it above a 1070Ti (not much but still) or above a 1080 depending the games i play and the one that are used in reviews ... so yep pretty much that : more value for the money and performance wise, not yielding too much either... although i can also wait for Navi but one thing is sure ... my next rig might not be Blue-Gree[d]n anymore

as of today, i rather take a sidegrade giving my money to AMD than the 2 other, they did much more recently and it's what make it worth it to me.
now if i can find a 2070 around the price i paid for my 1070 (overpriced ... 526chf and that was the cheapest i could find ) let say at maximum 590-600chf i might consider it (not for RTX tech tho ... )

I wouldn't mind a 20 series but for nothing to do with gaming. I bought a Vega 56 and am mostly happy with it but it does struggle in some titles. For the most part though, it is excellent. Power draw never factors into my purchase so I could honestly care less.

 

[Divide Overflow]

I'll wait for a complete review from W1zzard, but the performance is looking very nice. The cost, not so much.

 

[Hardcore Games]

From what I have seen for RTX cards is that they are overpriced so I guess I am sticking with my lowly GTX 750 a while longer

 

[EarthDog]

Unless that "someday" arrives within the next year there will be better cards suited for the job unless we go another 2 yrs without a new gen. That's why it's silly to buy a card with the expectation that a promise will be fulfilled in the future.

Tell that to the Vulkan crowd who stood up on a soapbox pleading to let time run its course.....who are also the same people not giving RTX time to develop and dont seem to understand that cards need to be in the market for RT to happen in the first place. The irony isnt lost at all.

The card has barely been out for 3 months. Buying just for RT/TC isnt a great idea, but there are over a dozen titles coming out this year, some AAA, so we will see more of it this year as requested. How its implemented, looks, and performs, who knows, but there should be several major titles out here in early 2019 hopefully adding value to the cards.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/games-support-nvidia-ray-tracing/

 

[Basard]

I'll wait for a complete review from W1zzard, but the performance is looking very nice. The cost, not so much.

The ever-increasing cost per generation is getting pretty lame.
I wonder how AMD will finally do RT... should be interesting. One thing for sure is they really need to quit lollygagging with their GPUs. Hopefully they do something with double Nvidia's RT cores and keep the none-RT performance at a tolerable level, thus giving us about 25-50% more performance than Nvidia's current RTRT performance--do that math on that one, lol (just guestimating here).