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Underclocking Can INCREASE Power/Heat

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Hello all!
Been playing around with my GF's 980 Ti Classified recently. Specifically I've been investigating if I can lower the heat output a bit. Running both of our rigs at the same time in a small room in this summer heat is killer!

Through my testing, I had some very interesting results that I thought I'd share. I don't know, I'm an engineering major so maybe this is more interesting to me than the average joe, but here it is anyways!

So firstly, how the data was collected.
In EVGA precision, with a classified card, you can view the actual current voltage (So you can see the vdroop happening)
GPU Z tells me TDP, but there is a special circumstance. GPU Z reports a % of TDP, and this card I've BIOS modded for a TDP of 600W. Therefore it's a bit of backwards calculating, multiplying the new limit by the % to get the actual power usage.

I set the voltage using the classified voltage controller, observed it using EVGA, and calcualted the TDP using GPU-Z.

Specifically, here are two data rows:
increase heat due to underclocking.png


So in the top test I set my voltage to 1.11875 (Excel shows a rounded value). I left the clock speed alone and ran a benchmark in Heaven 4.0.
I used GPU-Z to note the MAX Temperature, Fan speed %, TDP, as well as the eventual Boost and VRAM clock speeds.
During the benchmark I watched precision for the LOWEST voltage I saw, to me for a rock solid OC that's whats important. I marked this as "Actual Voltage"

The next test everything remained the same, except for clock speed. I DECREASED it by 90 MHz. Common intuintion would assume the same, or less heat and power usage...but actually...

Power and heat went UP. The reason being, the decresed clock speed meant the card wasn't working as hard, so during the benchmark the voltage stayed higher throughout, including during the heaviest parts, meaning a higher current flow (even with the decreased clock speed) and therefore a higher TDP.

Honestly, it's actually a fairly significant TDP increase as well, as far as overclocking goes (Which is basically nickel and diming anyways :p )


Now one note, this was the TDP AT MAX. I did not record the average TDP during the runs, I imagine it too was higher, but I do not have the data. I might re-run just for fun to see.


In case anyone was interested, the heaven score with a 90 MHz underclock, and the lowest stable voltage (1.05 set, 1.02 after vdroop) ended up dropping 7%(from 2397 stock, to 2211 underclocked).
This was with a TDP drop of a little over 60 Watts (or 10%) from the stock card settings.
Max temperature dropped 5 degrees C, with a 17% lower max fan speed.
 
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Sounds like you want to drop the voltage to counter it and reap the benefits of reduced heat output. It would be desirable to do anyway when clocked lower.
 
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Sounds like you want to drop the voltage to counter it and reap the benefits of reduced heat output. It would be desirable to do anyway when clocked lower.
Thats what I've done (See the last paragraph) I just thought it was interesting, same voltage and lower speed made a higher TDP and heat.
 
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Happens on modern card's, downclock and they hold boost easier and longer ;)
 
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Happens on modern card's, downclock and they hold boost easier and longer ;)
Actually, it isn't because boost is higher.
The boost speed is the same regardless;Due to my BIOS mod my card will never downclock unless it hits high temperature (>83C)
 

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Thats what I've done (See the last paragraph) I just thought it was interesting, same voltage and lower speed made a higher TDP and heat.
Yes, something apparently counterintuitive is interesting for sure, I'll give you that. :)
 
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Another interesting note.
Using the benchmark reducing the voltage at the stock speed lowered the max TDP by 4%, but in actual gaming the reduction is 10% or more.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
For as frequently as you are capturing data (I assume 1s), 1% of TDP is almost within a margin of error honestly.

These results are interesting and true for your card at the minimum. Depending on how other BIOSs are programmed to respond to lower the clock and how much it is lowered, these results may change pretty dramatically.

Using the benchmark reducing the voltage at the stock speed lowered the max TDP by 4%, but in actual gaming the reduction is 10% or more.
Makes complete sense... typically a game isn't as stressful as a benchmark.

What benchmark did you run? I think I missed that?
 
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Use Maxwell Tweaker and adjust TDP and PWR limits directly as well as voltages and clocks. I've noticed my GTX 980 is way more stable and cooler overclocked and TDP limited than when I do the opposite and increase all of it. Or even stock!

In my case particularly, decreasing TDP and PWR to just 200W (originally 250W and 197W I think) somehow made 1443MHz overclock more stable and reliable. Before I had constant bizarre issues and behavior, clocks dipping below 1400MHz etc. Now, the lowest it usually goes is 1430 MHz due to PWR limit and other voltage parameters. In return, I could dramatically decrease the fan curve because that made it a lot cooler, so it's now a lot quieter. Thermals are now about the same because the fans are so much slower, but I'm fine with that.

Basically, you don't even have to underclock it when working with TDP and PWR parameters. You just set the desired limits and GPU Boost will do the rest on it's own. Run full throttle when possible, but will drop under heavy load to stay within limits. I've tried this when I wanted to lower power of my GTX 980 to 150W. Clocks went down significantly by itself to stay in check. Along with voltages and everything.
 
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